HS2, whats the current status ?

HS2, whats the current status ?

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rover 623gsi

5,230 posts

160 months

Sunday 12th August 2018
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From-To - Now - HS2 Time Saving
Manchester-London - 2hr 08mins - 1hr 08mins - 60mins
Manchester-Birmingham - 1hr 30mins - 38mins - 52mins
Manchester-Glasgow - 3hrs 15mins - 1hr 18mins - 1hr 57mins
London-Birmingham - 1hr 20mins - 46mins - 34mins
London-Nottingham - 1hr 44mins - 1hr 08mins - 36mins
London-Leeds - 2hrs 12mins - 1hr 23mins - 49mins
London-Sheffield - 2hrs 05mins - 1hr 19mins - 46mins
London-Liverpool - 2hrs 08mins - 1hr 36mins - 36mins
London-Newcastle - 2hrs 52mins - 2hrs 19mins - 33mins
London-Edinburgh - 4hrs 23mins - 3hrs 38mins - 45mins
London-Glasgow - 4hrs 08mins - 3hrs 38mins - 30mins

https://sourced.co/blogs/hs2-journey-times/

Edited by rover 623gsi on Sunday 12th August 23:50

Talksteer

4,843 posts

232 months

Monday 13th August 2018
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rover 623gsi said:
From To Now HS2 Time Saving
Manchester London 2hr 08mins 1hr 08mins 60mins
Manchester Birmingham 1hr 30mins 38mins 52mins
Manchester Glasgow 3hrs 15mins 1hr 18mins 1hr 57mins
London Birmingham 1hr 20mins 46mins 34mins
London Nottingham 1hr 44mins 1hr 08mins 36mins
London Leeds 2hrs 12mins 1hr 23mins 49mins
London Sheffield 2hrs 05mins 1hr 19mins 46mins
London Liverpool 2hrs 08mins 1hr 36mins 36mins
London Newcastle 2hrs 52mins 2hrs 19mins 33mins
London Edinburgh 4hrs 23mins 3hrs 38mins 45mins
London Glasgow 4hrs 08mins 3hrs 38mins 30mins

https://sourced.co/blogs/hs2-journey-times/
Not all those journeys are actually to those places.

"Nottingham" is otherwise know as Toton Sheds.
Birmingham's HS2 station is at a completely different location to all the other rail services in Birmingham so for connections it will suck.

Places like Leicester and Derby will see their current fast services to London cut as their previous mainline services get turned into regional trains.

Digga

40,206 posts

282 months

Monday 13th August 2018
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Which highlights one of the elephants inte room, that rail journeys are often an 80:20 affair. You can do all you want with the 80% rail bit, but if the bits at either end are delayed due to road congestion, it's a zero sum gain.

DapperDanMan

2,622 posts

206 months

Monday 13th August 2018
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Talksteer said:
rover 623gsi said:
From To Now HS2 Time Saving
Manchester London 2hr 08mins 1hr 08mins 60mins
Manchester Birmingham 1hr 30mins 38mins 52mins
Manchester Glasgow 3hrs 15mins 1hr 18mins 1hr 57mins
London Birmingham 1hr 20mins 46mins 34mins
London Nottingham 1hr 44mins 1hr 08mins 36mins
London Leeds 2hrs 12mins 1hr 23mins 49mins
London Sheffield 2hrs 05mins 1hr 19mins 46mins
London Liverpool 2hrs 08mins 1hr 36mins 36mins
London Newcastle 2hrs 52mins 2hrs 19mins 33mins
London Edinburgh 4hrs 23mins 3hrs 38mins 45mins
London Glasgow 4hrs 08mins 3hrs 38mins 30mins

https://sourced.co/blogs/hs2-journey-times/
Not all those journeys are actually to those places.

"Nottingham" is otherwise know as Toton Sheds.
<b>Birmingham's HS2 station is at a completely different location to all the other rail services in Birmingham so for connections it will suck.</b>

Places like Leicester and Derby will see their current fast services to London cut as their previous mainline services get turned into regional trains.
Can I just pick up on this.

https://www.birmingham.gov.uk/downloads/file/730/b...

The station is right next to Moor Street and not far from New Street and will be served by the Metro as well as pedestrian walkways and a complete redevelopment of a large area of Birmingham. The station is seen as a catalyst for massive change beyond just serving the HS2 trains.


essayer

9,009 posts

193 months

Monday 13th August 2018
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Dr Doofenshmirtz said:
There's lots of 'works access' signs up around Hyde Heath, South Heath and the A413. I think this is where they're tunnelling under the hill? So I guess it's started.
They are doing surveys and prep work right now, new junction on the M25 for the southern tunnel portal (now visible on Google Earth) but no tunnelling yet.

Vaud

50,287 posts

154 months

Monday 13th August 2018
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Earthdweller said:
Can you imagine the modern government sitting round the Cabinet table and saying

“Right lads in 18 months we are going to land an Army of one million men on the beaches of a heavily defended continent then fight our way across it and overrun and destroy the very battle hardened troops defending it”

Oh yes .. we’ll have to recruit arms and train those men .. build all the ships and planes . Even build our own harbours and supply lines
1) we had a huge debt to the USA that we finally paid off in 2006 - the UK & empire was loaned $427 billion (present value)
2) goods were also heavily discounted by the USA
3) they also loaned / gave us a lot of technologies and people

rover 623gsi

5,230 posts

160 months

Monday 13th August 2018
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DapperDanMan said:
Talksteer said:
rover 623gsi said:
From To Now HS2 Time Saving
Manchester London 2hr 08mins 1hr 08mins 60mins
Manchester Birmingham 1hr 30mins 38mins 52mins
Manchester Glasgow 3hrs 15mins 1hr 18mins 1hr 57mins
London Birmingham 1hr 20mins 46mins 34mins
London Nottingham 1hr 44mins 1hr 08mins 36mins
London Leeds 2hrs 12mins 1hr 23mins 49mins
London Sheffield 2hrs 05mins 1hr 19mins 46mins
London Liverpool 2hrs 08mins 1hr 36mins 36mins
London Newcastle 2hrs 52mins 2hrs 19mins 33mins
London Edinburgh 4hrs 23mins 3hrs 38mins 45mins
London Glasgow 4hrs 08mins 3hrs 38mins 30mins

https://sourced.co/blogs/hs2-journey-times/
Not all those journeys are actually to those places.

"Nottingham" is otherwise know as Toton Sheds.
<b>Birmingham's HS2 station is at a completely different location to all the other rail services in Birmingham so for connections it will suck.</b>

Places like Leicester and Derby will see their current fast services to London cut as their previous mainline services get turned into regional trains.
Can I just pick up on this.

https://www.birmingham.gov.uk/downloads/file/730/b...

The station is right next to Moor Street and not far from New Street and will be served by the Metro as well as pedestrian walkways and a complete redevelopment of a large area of Birmingham. The station is seen as a catalyst for massive change beyond just serving the HS2 trains.
Indeed - HS2 will serve 25 stations, many of them brand new or rebuilt.

https://www.hs2.org.uk/where/the-stations/

Talksteer

4,843 posts

232 months

Monday 13th August 2018
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DapperDanMan said:
Talksteer said:
rover 623gsi said:
From To Now HS2 Time Saving
Manchester London 2hr 08mins 1hr 08mins 60mins
Manchester Birmingham 1hr 30mins 38mins 52mins
Manchester Glasgow 3hrs 15mins 1hr 18mins 1hr 57mins
London Birmingham 1hr 20mins 46mins 34mins
London Nottingham 1hr 44mins 1hr 08mins 36mins
London Leeds 2hrs 12mins 1hr 23mins 49mins
London Sheffield 2hrs 05mins 1hr 19mins 46mins
London Liverpool 2hrs 08mins 1hr 36mins 36mins
London Newcastle 2hrs 52mins 2hrs 19mins 33mins
London Edinburgh 4hrs 23mins 3hrs 38mins 45mins
London Glasgow 4hrs 08mins 3hrs 38mins 30mins

https://sourced.co/blogs/hs2-journey-times/
Not all those journeys are actually to those places.

"Nottingham" is otherwise know as Toton Sheds.
<b>Birmingham's HS2 station is at a completely different location to all the other rail services in Birmingham so for connections it will suck.</b>

Places like Leicester and Derby will see their current fast services to London cut as their previous mainline services get turned into regional trains.
Can I just pick up on this.

https://www.birmingham.gov.uk/downloads/file/730/b...

The station is right next to Moor Street and not far from New Street and will be served by the Metro as well as pedestrian walkways and a complete redevelopment of a large area of Birmingham. The station is seen as a catalyst for massive change beyond just serving the HS2 trains.
They haven't put any scales on those maps, I presume because the reason is that Google maps suggest a 0.8 mile 15 minute walk from New Street to Curzon street station not including getting off the platform at New Street.

For services connecting to New Street much of the timesaving of the line is lost and you then add a significant walk to change trains as opposed to a platform change at the moment.

The "Nottingham" stop is in the middle of nowhere and is or marginal use for people travelling from Derby.

JB!

5,254 posts

179 months

Monday 13th August 2018
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Talksteer said:
DapperDanMan said:
Talksteer said:
rover 623gsi said:
From To Now HS2 Time Saving
Manchester London 2hr 08mins 1hr 08mins 60mins
Manchester Birmingham 1hr 30mins 38mins 52mins
Manchester Glasgow 3hrs 15mins 1hr 18mins 1hr 57mins
London Birmingham 1hr 20mins 46mins 34mins
London Nottingham 1hr 44mins 1hr 08mins 36mins
London Leeds 2hrs 12mins 1hr 23mins 49mins
London Sheffield 2hrs 05mins 1hr 19mins 46mins
London Liverpool 2hrs 08mins 1hr 36mins 36mins
London Newcastle 2hrs 52mins 2hrs 19mins 33mins
London Edinburgh 4hrs 23mins 3hrs 38mins 45mins
London Glasgow 4hrs 08mins 3hrs 38mins 30mins

https://sourced.co/blogs/hs2-journey-times/
Not all those journeys are actually to those places.

"Nottingham" is otherwise know as Toton Sheds.
<b>Birmingham's HS2 station is at a completely different location to all the other rail services in Birmingham so for connections it will suck.</b>

Places like Leicester and Derby will see their current fast services to London cut as their previous mainline services get turned into regional trains.
Can I just pick up on this.

https://www.birmingham.gov.uk/downloads/file/730/b...

The station is right next to Moor Street and not far from New Street and will be served by the Metro as well as pedestrian walkways and a complete redevelopment of a large area of Birmingham. The station is seen as a catalyst for massive change beyond just serving the HS2 trains.
They haven't put any scales on those maps, I presume because the reason is that Google maps suggest a 0.8 mile 15 minute walk from New Street to Curzon street station not including getting off the platform at New Street.

For services connecting to New Street much of the timesaving of the line is lost and you then add a significant walk to change trains as opposed to a platform change at the moment.

The "Nottingham" stop is in the middle of nowhere and is or marginal use for people travelling from Derby.
I do think they ballsed up the Notts/Derby station location, should be East Mids Parkway.

rover 623gsi

5,230 posts

160 months

Monday 13th August 2018
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there will still be plenty of trains arriving at and departing from New Street - and the same will be happening at Moor Street and Snow Hill so I don't really see what the problem is.

re: Toton, you are correct that it is not in Nottingham. Neither is it in Derby or Leicester You can read more here

https://www.nottinghampost.com/news/local-news/hs2...

The design includes four high speed platforms, and four platforms for conventional services allowing connections to Nottingham, Leicester and Derby. There will also be two fast lines through the middle of the station for non-stopping services.

V8 Fettler

7,019 posts

131 months

Monday 13th August 2018
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anonymous said:
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Coaches using dedicated expressways can already match rail for passenger density. Driverless technology will offer "platoon" running.

Earthdweller

13,427 posts

125 months

Monday 13th August 2018
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Talksteer said:
DapperDanMan said:
Talksteer said:
rover 623gsi said:
From To Now HS2 Time Saving
Manchester London 2hr 08mins 1hr 08mins 60mins
Manchester Birmingham 1hr 30mins 38mins 52mins
Manchester Glasgow 3hrs 15mins 1hr 18mins 1hr 57mins
London Birmingham 1hr 20mins 46mins 34mins
London Nottingham 1hr 44mins 1hr 08mins 36mins
London Leeds 2hrs 12mins 1hr 23mins 49mins
London Sheffield 2hrs 05mins 1hr 19mins 46mins
London Liverpool 2hrs 08mins 1hr 36mins 36mins
London Newcastle 2hrs 52mins 2hrs 19mins 33mins
London Edinburgh 4hrs 23mins 3hrs 38mins 45mins
London Glasgow 4hrs 08mins 3hrs 38mins 30mins

https://sourced.co/blogs/hs2-journey-times/
Not all those journeys are actually to those places.

"Nottingham" is otherwise know as Toton Sheds.
<b>Birmingham's HS2 station is at a completely different location to all the other rail services in Birmingham so for connections it will suck.</b>

Places like Leicester and Derby will see their current fast services to London cut as their previous mainline services get turned into regional trains.
Can I just pick up on this.

https://www.birmingham.gov.uk/downloads/file/730/b...

The station is right next to Moor Street and not far from New Street and will be served by the Metro as well as pedestrian walkways and a complete redevelopment of a large area of Birmingham. The station is seen as a catalyst for massive change beyond just serving the HS2 trains.
They haven't put any scales on those maps, I presume because the reason is that Google maps suggest a 0.8 mile 15 minute walk from New Street to Curzon street station not including getting off the platform at New Street.

For services connecting to New Street much of the timesaving of the line is lost and you then add a significant walk to change trains as opposed to a platform change at the moment.

The "Nottingham" stop is in the middle of nowhere and is or marginal use for people travelling from Derby.
How does HS2 provide a time saving of 1h57m between Manchester and Glasgow ?

V8 Fettler

7,019 posts

131 months

Monday 13th August 2018
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Sheepshanks said:
Earthdweller said:
Watched the documentary on the M1 motorway the other day ... fascinating

But .. apparantly they built all 200 miles of it, junctions, link roads and bridges in 18 months .. on time and under budget
I read that and thought - no way! Bit of Googling and it was just the first section that was done in 18mths. Still impressive though.
First section = approx 73 miles

mcdjl

5,438 posts

194 months

Monday 13th August 2018
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Talksteer said:
Except the costs are a fraction of a train, the flexibility is much greater and buses are cheaper than trains today even with one driver per coach.

If it fails you've just built a dual carriageway that you can run cars on.

They key element is that you provide the infrastructure and anyone who is compliant with the standard can play.

It's also scalable with the combination of new build roads and converted motorways, ultimately the next phase of motorways may be autonomous electric high speed running anyway, much cheaper than a train.
You do realise that most of the time Rathen well be the planning and set up which would be about the same for the new dual carriage way that will only be just for coaches that haven't been invented yet.

BlackLabel

13,251 posts

122 months

Wednesday 22nd August 2018
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“Former Carillion boss takes reins of UK's HS2 project”

www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/former-carillion-bo...

powerstroke

10,283 posts

159 months

Thursday 23rd August 2018
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BlackLabel said:
“Former Carillion boss takes reins of UK's HS2 project”

www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/former-carillion-bo...
Oh good more jobs for the boys ..

greygoose

8,224 posts

194 months

Thursday 23rd August 2018
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powerstroke said:
BlackLabel said:
“Former Carillion boss takes reins of UK's HS2 project”

www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/former-carillion-bo...
Oh good more jobs for the boys ..
What could go wrong......

petop

2,135 posts

165 months

Thursday 23rd August 2018
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I bet if the recruiters watched the Ch4 program last night about the demise of Carilion may wish to reconsider that little decision.
The whole hierarchy bar one was rotten to the core!

Edited by petop on Thursday 23 August 08:56

robinessex

11,046 posts

180 months

Thursday 23rd August 2018
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This happens because the Government has a privatisation policy for everything. Thus, with no government paid civil servants to administer this, they're stuck in the clutches of the greedy, crooked and basically corrupt private sector, headed by the big accountancy and management agencies. How many bankers have ‘paid’ for the last disaster? I’ve no idea why Basil Fawlty isn’t a government advisor as well.

Vaud

50,287 posts

154 months

Thursday 23rd August 2018
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anonymous said:
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Quite. And corrupt? Most companies of scale have very robust anti-corruption and anti-fraud processes in place.