UKIP - The Future - Volume 4
Discussion
austinsmirk said:
Except for farage who I guess is still happy to take the cash as an mep, don’t ukip only have just 1 or 2 local councillors actually still with seats ?
Eg not exactly a party of note !
UKIP won more seats than any other party is the last EU elections, that was the first time a party other than the conservatives or labour had come top in a British election since 1906.Eg not exactly a party of note !
You may not support the party, but they are a significant party of note in UK history and Farage did contribute significantly to changing the future direction of this country. To state otherwise is to ignore historical facts.
jsf said:
austinsmirk said:
Except for farage who I guess is still happy to take the cash as an mep, don’t ukip only have just 1 or 2 local councillors actually still with seats ?
Eg not exactly a party of note !
UKIP won more seats than any other party is the last EU elections, that was the first time a party other than the conservatives or labour had come top in a British election since 1906.Eg not exactly a party of note !
You may not support the party, but they are a significant party of note in UK history and Farage did contribute significantly to changing the future direction of this country. To state otherwise is to ignore historical facts.
Condemned his own gravy train to the dustbin .
Sorry but the large percentage of UKIP fanboys really do crack me up.
I don't think there's one post on this thread that doesn't have the almighty Farage in it.
He really does still have you on a string!.
He got his way, convinced the majority to leave the EU, THEN DID A FOOKIN RUNNER!
You all need to stop bowing to your messiah, see him for what he really is, accept he tricked the crap out of you, and MOVE ON. The first thing you can do is bury this party that he setup, and start a whole new one, going in a completely new direction.
It'll kick out any legacy left of him, and he'll crawl under a rock, hopefully never to be seen again, otherwise he'll be convincing every UKIP fan to move to Kazakhstan.
I don't think there's one post on this thread that doesn't have the almighty Farage in it.
He really does still have you on a string!.
He got his way, convinced the majority to leave the EU, THEN DID A FOOKIN RUNNER!
You all need to stop bowing to your messiah, see him for what he really is, accept he tricked the crap out of you, and MOVE ON. The first thing you can do is bury this party that he setup, and start a whole new one, going in a completely new direction.
It'll kick out any legacy left of him, and he'll crawl under a rock, hopefully never to be seen again, otherwise he'll be convincing every UKIP fan to move to Kazakhstan.
Leroy902 said:
Sorry but the large percentage of UKIP fanboys really do crack me up.
I don't think there's one post on this thread that doesn't have the almighty Farage in it.
He really does still have you on a string!.
He got his way, convinced the majority to leave the EU, THEN DID A FOOKIN RUNNER!
You all need to stop bowing to your messiah, see him for what he really is, accept he tricked the crap out of you, and MOVE ON. The first thing you can do is bury this party that he setup, and start a whole new one, going in a completely new direction.
It'll kick out any legacy left of him, and he'll crawl under a rock, hopefully never to be seen again, otherwise he'll be convincing every UKIP fan to move to Kazakhstan.
You might have missed the fact that the majority of posts on this thread are not written by UKIP fanboys, and any mention of Farage is in no way a ringing endorsement of the Guy, the complete opposite is in fact the case.I don't think there's one post on this thread that doesn't have the almighty Farage in it.
He really does still have you on a string!.
He got his way, convinced the majority to leave the EU, THEN DID A FOOKIN RUNNER!
You all need to stop bowing to your messiah, see him for what he really is, accept he tricked the crap out of you, and MOVE ON. The first thing you can do is bury this party that he setup, and start a whole new one, going in a completely new direction.
It'll kick out any legacy left of him, and he'll crawl under a rock, hopefully never to be seen again, otherwise he'll be convincing every UKIP fan to move to Kazakhstan.
It's you that needs to move on, UKIP have been in their death throes since June 2016, the party is all but dead, but UKIP don't know it, or have as yet not concluded what most already know.
berlintaxi said:
Said the fully paid up member.
If you are referring to me, i have never been a member of any political party and have never voted UKIP.I have voted both Labour and Conservative in the past.
My comment stated facts, if they are wrong then correct them. (they aren't wrong)
JFS is very much right about, and that doesn't make him a kipper.
Rhetoric in itself is nothing new. Packaging was what was selling the idea, and he knew his audience. Those people now have a new messiah in JRM.
jfs said:
Farage did contribute significantly to changing the future direction of this country
The missing and obvious continuation is that he did that by exploring fears of the underbelly of society. The aged of middle England who saw the world changing and couldn't make sense of it. For people like that, who felt uneasy with bold heads and tattoos of EDL/BNP and similar, Farage was the one to tell them; "it's ok to be homophobic and xenophobic. It's natural to fear that they'll come here and rob you, or at least, take your job. It's someone else's fault that your life didn't turn out as planned". Rhetoric in itself is nothing new. Packaging was what was selling the idea, and he knew his audience. Those people now have a new messiah in JRM.
jjlynn27 said:
The missing and obvious continuation is that he did that by exploring fears of the underbelly of society. The aged of middle England who saw the world changing and couldn't make sense of it. For people like that, who felt uneasy with bold heads and tattoos of EDL/BNP and similar, Farage was the one to tell them; "it's ok to be homophobic and xenophobic. It's natural to fear that they'll come here and rob you, or at least, take your job. It's someone else's fault that your life didn't turn out as planned".
Rhetoric in itself is nothing new. Packaging was what was selling the idea, and he knew his audience. Those people now have a new messiah in JRM.
Rhetoric in itself is nothing new. Packaging was what was selling the idea, and he knew his audience. Those people now have a new messiah in JRM.
Mark Benson said:
You're as predictable as the tide and have the depth of a car park puddle.
This ^^^^^jjlynn27 said:
The missing and obvious continuation is that he did that by exploring fears of the underbelly of society. The aged of middle England who saw the world changing and couldn't make sense of it. For people like that, who felt uneasy with bold heads and tattoos of EDL/BNP and similar, Farage was the one to tell them; "it's ok to be homophobic and xenophobic. It's natural to fear that they'll come here and rob you, or at least, take your job. It's someone else's fault that your life didn't turn out as planned".
Rhetoric in itself is nothing new. Packaging was what was selling the idea, and he knew his audience. Those people now have a new messiah in JRM.
You make sense. I spend a huge amount of my time in the less salubrious areas and estates. You might at a pinch have seen Labour posters up at an election, dotted amongst the en ger land flags strewn around the place. Rhetoric in itself is nothing new. Packaging was what was selling the idea, and he knew his audience. Those people now have a new messiah in JRM.
But the brexit vote, my word streets were adhorned with ukip vinyl banners, posters etc. Talk to the residents, they were excited; they were claiming back “their” country. Of course none of them were bright enough to realise all it did was restrict European movement, not ban anyone dark skinned or ( let’s be honest) Muslim.
They couldn’t grasp that nothing would change with regard to international immigration.
But yr right, the bnp vote became a ukip vote. I watched bnp councillors become ukip instead. A lot more comfortable to be aligned to.
austinsmirk said:
jjlynn27 said:
The missing and obvious continuation is that he did that by exploring fears of the underbelly of society. The aged of middle England who saw the world changing and couldn't make sense of it. For people like that, who felt uneasy with bold heads and tattoos of EDL/BNP and similar, Farage was the one to tell them; "it's ok to be homophobic and xenophobic. It's natural to fear that they'll come here and rob you, or at least, take your job. It's someone else's fault that your life didn't turn out as planned".
Rhetoric in itself is nothing new. Packaging was what was selling the idea, and he knew his audience. Those people now have a new messiah in JRM.
You make sense. I spend a huge amount of my time in the less salubrious areas and estates. You might at a pinch have seen Labour posters up at an election, dotted amongst the en ger land flags strewn around the place. Rhetoric in itself is nothing new. Packaging was what was selling the idea, and he knew his audience. Those people now have a new messiah in JRM.
But the brexit vote, my word streets were adhorned with ukip vinyl banners, posters etc. Talk to the residents, they were excited; they were claiming back “their” country. Of course none of them were bright enough to realise all it did was restrict European movement, not ban anyone dark skinned or ( let’s be honest) Muslim.
They couldn’t grasp that nothing would change with regard to international immigration.
But yr right, the bnp vote became a ukip vote. I watched bnp councillors become ukip instead. A lot more comfortable to be aligned to.
alfie2244 said:
jjlynn27 said:
The missing and obvious continuation is that he did that by exploring fears of the underbelly of society. The aged of middle England who saw the world changing and couldn't make sense of it. For people like that, who felt uneasy with bold heads and tattoos of EDL/BNP and similar, Farage was the one to tell them; "it's ok to be homophobic and xenophobic. It's natural to fear that they'll come here and rob you, or at least, take your job. It's someone else's fault that your life didn't turn out as planned".
Rhetoric in itself is nothing new. Packaging was what was selling the idea, and he knew his audience. Those people now have a new messiah in JRM.
Rhetoric in itself is nothing new. Packaging was what was selling the idea, and he knew his audience. Those people now have a new messiah in JRM.
Mark Benson said:
You're as predictable as the tide and have the depth of a car park puddle.
This ^^^^^Perhaps most of the UKIP and Brexit supporters have deserted this thread because you can't reason with spiteful children who chant the same mindless smears again and again, dodge questions, can't or won't form arguments of their own, lie continually, don't believe there's a legitimate place in politics for anyone patriotic or right of centre, and run to sir when they realise they've once again lost the debate? (Of course #notall remainers are like that, but in most venues it's an uncomfortable number.) In any case, anyone who makes more than a couple of anti-globalist posts here is accused of being "obsessed" anyway, so you can't win.
among all the usual "hilarious" "clever" barbed sneering tedious hateful anti-white drivel, it's been disingenuously suggested that a party changing its leader after 5 months is the exact same thing as stopping Brexit, or having a second referendum, before we've even left. In reality, of course, the equivalent to the latter would be electing a party leader and then demanding that they not even be allowed to start leading until another vote, or possibly not at all, just because brainwashed special snowflakes who believe everything the BBC tells them don't like the result.
Drawing false equivalences, pretending not to know facts, invading people's speeches and getting them cancelled, and all the rest: why are all these dishonest tactics necessary for anyone who is confident that the truth is on their side?
GPSHead said:
Oh god yes. Gets whole threads deleted when they don't go his way. Likes to project, and to accuse anyone who wants immigration controls or isn't a cultural relativist of being mentally ill. Unsurprisingly, such tactics are straight out of the Communist playbook, having been employed extensively by the likes of Alinsky and the USSR.
Perhaps most of the UKIP and Brexit supporters have deserted this thread because you can't reason with spiteful children who chant the same mindless smears again and again, dodge questions, can't or won't form arguments of their own, lie continually, don't believe there's a legitimate place in politics for anyone patriotic or right of centre, and run to sir when they realise they've once again lost the debate? (Of course #notall remainers are like that, but in most venues it's an uncomfortable number.) In any case, anyone who makes more than a couple of anti-globalist posts here is accused of being "obsessed" anyway, so you can't win.
among all the usual "hilarious" "clever" barbed sneering tedious hateful anti-white drivel, it's been disingenuously suggested that a party changing its leader after 5 months is the exact same thing as stopping Brexit, or having a second referendum, before we've even left. In reality, of course, the equivalent to the latter would be electing a party leader and then demanding that they not even be allowed to start leading until another vote, or possibly not at all, just because brainwashed special snowflakes who believe everything the BBC tells them don't like the result.
Drawing false equivalences, pretending not to know facts, invading people's speeches and getting them cancelled, and all the rest: why are all these dishonest tactics necessary for anyone who is confident that the truth is on their side?
That is pure goldPerhaps most of the UKIP and Brexit supporters have deserted this thread because you can't reason with spiteful children who chant the same mindless smears again and again, dodge questions, can't or won't form arguments of their own, lie continually, don't believe there's a legitimate place in politics for anyone patriotic or right of centre, and run to sir when they realise they've once again lost the debate? (Of course #notall remainers are like that, but in most venues it's an uncomfortable number.) In any case, anyone who makes more than a couple of anti-globalist posts here is accused of being "obsessed" anyway, so you can't win.
among all the usual "hilarious" "clever" barbed sneering tedious hateful anti-white drivel, it's been disingenuously suggested that a party changing its leader after 5 months is the exact same thing as stopping Brexit, or having a second referendum, before we've even left. In reality, of course, the equivalent to the latter would be electing a party leader and then demanding that they not even be allowed to start leading until another vote, or possibly not at all, just because brainwashed special snowflakes who believe everything the BBC tells them don't like the result.
Drawing false equivalences, pretending not to know facts, invading people's speeches and getting them cancelled, and all the rest: why are all these dishonest tactics necessary for anyone who is confident that the truth is on their side?
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