UKIP - The Future - Volume 4
Discussion
SilverSixer said:
- most people voted Leave for what they believed to be the best interest of our country, yet we were persistently painted as racists, xenophobes, leftbehinds, uneducated, internet illiterate, even tantamount to being responsible for WW3 if it started (Mr Cameron). All of us want the best for the UK, opinions of course differ on the best way to achieve that. Pre-referendum Brexiter shaming was utterly uncalled for and spectacularly misguided.
Cuts both ways.SilverSixer said:
Deptford Draylons said:
SilverSixer said:
I think the wool is going to start falling from British eyes pretty soon with the election of Macron, the defeat of Wilders and the soon-to-be-confirmed defeat of AfD. We're soon going to see a renewed desire to be part of the liberal EU as the only alternative to alliance with protectionist Trump's America - and what kind of an alliance would that be? Macron's right, it smacks more of servitude than alliance.
You don't think you've gone a bit overboard with this ? When and in what form is the renewed desire to be back in the EU going to show up ?I personally don't much care what happens to any other country's EU membership as long as I'm out of it.
Since you talk about confused positions, the EU lovers crowd were fawning over the idea that Trump was going to want an EU trade deal over a UK one as a priority. I guess that's a different kind of alliance that is OK ? I'd rather take a trade deal with the US that decided here and not compromised by the objections of 27 other people. Something says it will happen a lot faster too.
Nobody was "fawning" over the idea that the USA would likely prioritise an EU trade deal over a UK one - we were frustrated that such an enormous risk was seemingly not factored in to the thinking of Leave voters, and given that you've stated here that you don't care what happens to our biggest and most important neighbours and trading partners, I suppose I shouldn't be surprised. This is the thing some Leave voters seem to stubbornly unable to comprehend - most people voted Remain for what they believed to be the best interest of our country, yet we're persistently painted as traitors and cowards and snowflakes and unpatriotic. All of us want the best for the UK, opinions of course differ on the best way to achieve that. Post-referendum Remoaner shaming is utterly uncalled for and spectacularly misguided.
I thought you were for a moment going to suggest a Lib Dem/Remainer surge at the GE. Marginal gain, nothing to write home about.
I'm not sure you citing the white paper means everyone ignored the facts. If you simple don't wish to be any form of parliament and law making outside of a UK one, nothing in that paper counters this.
When I say I don't care what other countries do, this means I won't care if they decide to stay in the EU or not, that's their own internal affairs. At least in the short term its better they all stay in the EU, but if one or more holds a referendum to leave , then fine.
Plenty of people rushed to PH to fawn over the idea Trump wanted an EU trade did as a priority over the EU. I guess they either don't share your view such a deal is somehow squalid because its Trump, or that the deal is bespoke to the UK and can be decided upon on its worth, or not. Then again, given the posting history of some of them, they could be clueless hypocrites.
I respect anyone that voted Remain. I have less respect for those who voted Remain and then immediately wanted to perform a stitch-up of more referendums until their choice was achieved, at which point we stop voting I guess. Their silly arguments and misleading video's from the official Remain campaign on subjects like no one being aware a vote to leave meant coming out the single market , are for example why some get called silly names. Not mention some posters personal amnesia on denying they ever called for a second referendum and the like when it fits.
There probably has been someone called a traitor, but I think you are trying to lump every single Remain voter in as one as having been insulted. I think the vast majority of this has been reserved for those like Farron who just don't care how you voted as long as it is overturned in any way possible. I did hope he would shut up when article 50 was triggered and get on with the job of securing a good deal. He didn't, and was still trying to find another way to reverse the result, as well as inviting the EU to talk tough to back his stance with talk of huge exit bills etc.
SilverSixer said:
Bold bit - I don't know. I'm speculating. This isn't peer reviewed science, it's an internet opinion forum. It's a feeling - something you will probably understand seeing as how feelings predicated a lot of people's decision to vote Leave, as opposed to facts, such as feelings of loss of sovereignty (see government Brexit White Paper for details of how that feeling was bogus). Who would have predicted Macron's victory last year when his new political movement didn't even exist? Staggering, and a ringing endorsement of people crying out for a moderate pro-international collaboration centre ground.
It's a nice thought in theory, but in practice, do you not think that just maybe it was a case of any port in a storm for the vast majority of the French electorate who weren't prepared to vote for any of the established political parties (who'd taken them to the current point in the EU), but were repulsed by the idea of voting for the Front Nationale?The only way you could've said it was a ringing endorsement for continued membership of the EU would've been if it had been a victory in the face of an essentially anti-EU version of Macron.
Before you complain that I'm a Brexiteer having a go at you because you're not, btw, please bear in mind that I voted remain, although having seen the attitude of the EU since, I would change my vote to leave were there to be another referendum tomorrow.
Christ! This thread is 'still going!'
Ukip served it's purpose but still Lynnee and gang can't leave it can they?
Those who voted Ukip at the last general election (4 million or so, ie: almost HALF what Labour got!) haven't deserted Ukip.
We got what we wanted!
End of.
In the locals some still voted Ukip but did you not notice that it was a very, very small number - probably the nutters CallMeDave once spoke about. The rest of us were never nutters bigots and racists - if we were surely we'd remain and still vote Ukip, but we're not that's why we all now voting Tory! That is why the Tory here where I am won easily last week in the locals. That is why May will win easily in June.
The only way Ukip can return is if Brexit doesn't happen. May knows she has no choice but to deliver. She will. If she doesn't she won't last.
As for Farron and the band of LibDUMS, it now seems even the Greens are as dum!
I've just had a message for the Oxford West & Abingdon constituency telling Green supporters (not me!) that they will stand aside in the GE so Greens can vote for ...LibDUMS. In the hope of ousting the Tory.
Oh dear oh dear.
How f. dum is that? Why don't the Greens just disband? Well, they are exactly that: GREEN!
Ukip served it's purpose but still Lynnee and gang can't leave it can they?
Those who voted Ukip at the last general election (4 million or so, ie: almost HALF what Labour got!) haven't deserted Ukip.
We got what we wanted!
End of.
In the locals some still voted Ukip but did you not notice that it was a very, very small number - probably the nutters CallMeDave once spoke about. The rest of us were never nutters bigots and racists - if we were surely we'd remain and still vote Ukip, but we're not that's why we all now voting Tory! That is why the Tory here where I am won easily last week in the locals. That is why May will win easily in June.
The only way Ukip can return is if Brexit doesn't happen. May knows she has no choice but to deliver. She will. If she doesn't she won't last.
As for Farron and the band of LibDUMS, it now seems even the Greens are as dum!
I've just had a message for the Oxford West & Abingdon constituency telling Green supporters (not me!) that they will stand aside in the GE so Greens can vote for ...LibDUMS. In the hope of ousting the Tory.
Oh dear oh dear.
How f. dum is that? Why don't the Greens just disband? Well, they are exactly that: GREEN!
alfie2244 said:
SilverSixer said:
- most people voted Leave for what they believed to be the best interest of our country, yet we were persistently painted as racists, xenophobes, leftbehinds, uneducated, internet illiterate, even tantamount to being responsible for WW3 if it started (Mr Cameron). All of us want the best for the UK, opinions of course differ on the best way to achieve that. Pre-referendum Brexiter shaming was utterly uncalled for and spectacularly misguided.
Cuts both ways.dandarez said:
Christ! This thread is 'still going!'
Ukip served it's purpose but still Lynnee and gang can't leave it can they?
Those who voted Ukip at the last general election (4 million or so, ie: almost HALF what Labour got!) haven't deserted Ukip.
We got what we wanted!
End of.
In the locals some still voted Ukip but did you not notice that it was a very, very small number - probably the nutters CallMeDave once spoke about. The rest of us were never nutters bigots and racists - if we were surely we'd remain and still vote Ukip, but we're not that's why we all now voting Tory! That is why the Tory here where I am won easily last week in the locals. That is why May will win easily in June.
The only way Ukip can return is if Brexit doesn't happen. May knows she has no choice but to deliver. She will. If she doesn't she won't last.
As for Farron and the band of LibDUMS, it now seems even the Greens are as dum!
I've just had a message for the Oxford West & Abingdon constituency telling Green supporters (not me!) that they will stand aside in the GE so Greens can vote for ...LibDUMS. In the hope of ousting the Tory.
Oh dear oh dear.
How f. dum is that? Why don't the Greens just disband? Well, they are exactly that: GREEN!
In actual fact, the Green party have had more MPs than Ukip for quite some time. Their tactical voting pact makes sense & will oust a fair number of Conservatives in the GE. Hopefully enough to continue to make life difficult for May.Ukip served it's purpose but still Lynnee and gang can't leave it can they?
Those who voted Ukip at the last general election (4 million or so, ie: almost HALF what Labour got!) haven't deserted Ukip.
We got what we wanted!
End of.
In the locals some still voted Ukip but did you not notice that it was a very, very small number - probably the nutters CallMeDave once spoke about. The rest of us were never nutters bigots and racists - if we were surely we'd remain and still vote Ukip, but we're not that's why we all now voting Tory! That is why the Tory here where I am won easily last week in the locals. That is why May will win easily in June.
The only way Ukip can return is if Brexit doesn't happen. May knows she has no choice but to deliver. She will. If she doesn't she won't last.
As for Farron and the band of LibDUMS, it now seems even the Greens are as dum!
I've just had a message for the Oxford West & Abingdon constituency telling Green supporters (not me!) that they will stand aside in the GE so Greens can vote for ...LibDUMS. In the hope of ousting the Tory.
Oh dear oh dear.
How f. dum is that? Why don't the Greens just disband? Well, they are exactly that: GREEN!
Jimboka said:
In actual fact, the Green party have had more MPs than Ukip for quite some time. Their tactical voting pact makes sense & will oust a fair number of Conservatives in the GE. Hopefully enough to continue to make life difficult for May.
Really??? Where???Which seats around the country have a Tory MP with a smaller share of the vote than the combined vote of the Lib Dems and Greens? The Greens came second in four constituencies last time out, but they were all, I believe, strong Labour seats.
The only ones I've seen where they've definitely said they're going to collaborate like this are Brighton Pavillion, already held by the Greens with a significantly increased majority from last time out, and Brighton Kemptown, where the Tories took the seat from Labour last time out and the Greens and Lib Dems came in in 4th & 5th with, I believe, fewer votes between them than even the UKIP candidate.
The most they can hope to achieve in one is to shore up the Green vote, so no Conservative getting ousted there, and in the other, unless they both withdraw and ask their supporters to vote Labour, they're irrelevant.
Personally, I think their behaviour is absolutely despicable, and I truly hope their obvious lack of respect for democracy firmly blows up in their faces! I'd have nothing against them both standing and one asking their supporters to back the other, but to withhold the democratic choice from their supporters is wrong.
Trabi601 said:
He's a nut-job. My local candidate is illiterate.
The best part of it all is her ranting about falling educational standards.
What you'd expect from UKIP. I've seen worse on Tory posters.The best part of it all is her ranting about falling educational standards.
I think all politicians should be sent back to school, and get charged tuition fees for the privilege.
So one of the reasons given by UKIP for banning face coverings is...
it "prevents intake of essential vitamin D from sunlight"
(Page 37 of their manifesto - https://d3n8a8pro7vhmx.cloudfront.net/ukipdev/page... )
it "prevents intake of essential vitamin D from sunlight"
(Page 37 of their manifesto - https://d3n8a8pro7vhmx.cloudfront.net/ukipdev/page... )
rscott said:
So one of the reasons given by UKIP for banning face coverings is...
it "prevents intake of essential vitamin D from sunlight"
(Page 37 of their manifesto - https://d3n8a8pro7vhmx.cloudfront.net/ukipdev/page... )
*shrug* face coverings, not so much, but the full pillar box look would. Don't care much though, I'm not their doctor.it "prevents intake of essential vitamin D from sunlight"
(Page 37 of their manifesto - https://d3n8a8pro7vhmx.cloudfront.net/ukipdev/page... )
rscott said:
So one of the reasons given by UKIP for banning face coverings is...
it "prevents intake of essential vitamin D from sunlight"
(Page 37 of their manifesto - https://d3n8a8pro7vhmx.cloudfront.net/ukipdev/page... )
Their use of it as an excuse to pretend they aren't racist is amusing in its ineptitude - but my GP wife does point out that this is a problemit "prevents intake of essential vitamin D from sunlight"
(Page 37 of their manifesto - https://d3n8a8pro7vhmx.cloudfront.net/ukipdev/page... )
rscott said:
So one of the reasons given by UKIP for banning face coverings is...
it "prevents intake of essential vitamin D from sunlight"
(Page 37 of their manifesto - https://d3n8a8pro7vhmx.cloudfront.net/ukipdev/page... )
So does Factor 50.it "prevents intake of essential vitamin D from sunlight"
(Page 37 of their manifesto - https://d3n8a8pro7vhmx.cloudfront.net/ukipdev/page... )
I have met Peter Whittle several times. He is a friend of my wife, and she even invited him to our wedding without consulting me. I was furious, as I do not care to break bread with Fascists, but it was not too bad after all, as Whittle left early in order to go off and party in Soho, as is his wont.
Whittle is a massive tosser. He is what passes for a well educated UKIPper, but he gives up and runs away the moment that anyone who has a real education and even half a brain engages him in debate on any subject. He went to the University of Kent, and is chippy about the fact that he didn't go somewhere a bit more prestigious. I am not having a go at the University of Kent, but at Whittle's view of it.
He tries to come over as a smooth posh boy, being apparently ashamed of his Gor Blimey Council House roots (there is nothing wrong with such roots).
If the typical UKIP voter knew what Peter Whittle gets up to in the bars of Soho, they might be a tad appalled. Again, there is nothing wrong with having a lairy time in Soho bars, but the stench of hypocrisy hangs heavy over Mr Whittle.
Whittle is a massive tosser. He is what passes for a well educated UKIPper, but he gives up and runs away the moment that anyone who has a real education and even half a brain engages him in debate on any subject. He went to the University of Kent, and is chippy about the fact that he didn't go somewhere a bit more prestigious. I am not having a go at the University of Kent, but at Whittle's view of it.
He tries to come over as a smooth posh boy, being apparently ashamed of his Gor Blimey Council House roots (there is nothing wrong with such roots).
If the typical UKIP voter knew what Peter Whittle gets up to in the bars of Soho, they might be a tad appalled. Again, there is nothing wrong with having a lairy time in Soho bars, but the stench of hypocrisy hangs heavy over Mr Whittle.
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