UKIP - The Future - Volume 4
Discussion
IanH755 said:
Countdown said:
If people told you "they wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire" would you take that as a compliment?
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hstewie said:
hstewie said: The answer is obvious, it's intended in the same way as "I wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire".
ETA: Beaten to it with the exact same example.
So then, here's two ways to look at this - ETA: Beaten to it with the exact same example.
1. it's a weak argument, where you're conflating an expression with someone actually giving a factual statement where - "I wouldn't even rape you" is his factual statement, whilst "I wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire" is a non-realistic insult.
So again, if he is factually stating that he wouldn't rape a woman, why is that a negative which needs an apology? Or alternatively,
2. lets look at from your side - Hes 100% said it as an insult in the same vein as "I wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire" - so what, it's just an insult and insults are something adults manage to ignore everyday, and even the insult says he wouldn't rape her (for whatever reason he has), so it's still not a negative unless you think that he "should" want to rape her for some reason.
I really don't understand why this argument is the hill you've chosen to fight on, I mean if he had said he'd rape her thats completely different and it would be understandable to hate this moron, but thats not what he said and now he's getting a whole bunch of free press from people who want to make him apologise for saying he wouldn't rape someone. Do you even understand how mental you sound to "normal" people? Whats worse is that this guy is now getting mainstream coverage away from his YT channel solely because of this outrage culture which is giving him some power, so rather than being left as some weirdo on YT he's being platformed by the media who are feeding on that for views rather than ignoring this "insult" and removing any power it has.
Edited by IanH755 on Friday 19th April 23:16
EddieSteadyGo said:
I think we are giving Benjamin far too much credit.
My suggestion is that he was sitting at home one night, have drunk 2 bottles of rosé Echo Falls, getting angry with life, and so he decides to send an insult to Jess Phillips, probably because he feels intimidated by a woman having forthright views which makes him feel threatened.
So he decides to think of something nasty to say, and knowing Phillips is a strong advocate against domestic violence, decides to go with his rape "joke".
This guy as I said earlier isn't very bright. He deserves as much publicity as the other sad trolls who sit on Twitter abusing people i.e. none. The idea he might become an MEP, even for a short period, is disappointing in the extreme.
Oh my days....!!!!My suggestion is that he was sitting at home one night, have drunk 2 bottles of rosé Echo Falls, getting angry with life, and so he decides to send an insult to Jess Phillips, probably because he feels intimidated by a woman having forthright views which makes him feel threatened.
So he decides to think of something nasty to say, and knowing Phillips is a strong advocate against domestic violence, decides to go with his rape "joke".
This guy as I said earlier isn't very bright. He deserves as much publicity as the other sad trolls who sit on Twitter abusing people i.e. none. The idea he might become an MEP, even for a short period, is disappointing in the extreme.
If this is some kind of bizarre defence of the person that spouted those despicable words aimed at Jess, then I truly believe you need to take a serious look at your social compass.
Piha said:
EddieSteadyGo said:
I think we are giving Benjamin far too much credit.
My suggestion is that he was sitting at home one night, have drunk 2 bottles of rosé Echo Falls, getting angry with life, and so he decides to send an insult to Jess Phillips, probably because he feels intimidated by a woman having forthright views which makes him feel threatened.
So he decides to think of something nasty to say, and knowing Phillips is a strong advocate against domestic violence, decides to go with his rape "joke".
This guy as I said earlier isn't very bright. He deserves as much publicity as the other sad trolls who sit on Twitter abusing people i.e. none. The idea he might become an MEP, even for a short period, is disappointing in the extreme.
Oh my days....!!!!My suggestion is that he was sitting at home one night, have drunk 2 bottles of rosé Echo Falls, getting angry with life, and so he decides to send an insult to Jess Phillips, probably because he feels intimidated by a woman having forthright views which makes him feel threatened.
So he decides to think of something nasty to say, and knowing Phillips is a strong advocate against domestic violence, decides to go with his rape "joke".
This guy as I said earlier isn't very bright. He deserves as much publicity as the other sad trolls who sit on Twitter abusing people i.e. none. The idea he might become an MEP, even for a short period, is disappointing in the extreme.
If this is some kind of bizarre defence of the person that spouted those despicable words aimed at Jess, then I truly believe you need to take a serious look at your social compass.
bhstewie said:
hstewie said: I simply think the bloke is an idiot
Yeap, I 100% agree with that, and yet because people have stupidly decided to attack him over this non-comment (or insult if you prefer) he's gaining more power to influence than ever, well done media, you utter morons!bhstewie said:
hstewie said: and I struggle with why anyone would offer a shred of defence for him or suggest what he said is remotely acceptable.
He said he wouldn't rape a woman and then is subjected to what some people would consider to be a press-based smear campaign over it yet you "struggle" to understand why some people defend him? Instead of ignoring him, stripping him and his comment of any worth, the press went for a click-bait attack to make money but in doing so have platformed this moron allowing his views to reach a wider audience and have done so over a comment that just makes no sense to attack him over.Roman Rhodes said:
You’re tying yourself in knots trying to excuse what the guy said. Keep it simple: explain the use of the word “even” in the phrase “I wouldn’t even rape you”.
I'm trying to understand why you think that saying you would not rape someone is a bad thing rather than "excusing" someone for saying "I don't rape women". However, I'll try to explain what is probably the worst case for the use of "even" - In a hypothetical situation where he is a rapist, he still wouldn't rape her because he doesn't like her - so even as an insult he's still saying that he wouldn't rape her, which I hope we can agree is a GOOD thing.IanH755 said:
I'm trying to understand why you think that saying you would not rape someone is a bad thing rather than "excusing" someone for saying "I don't rape women". However, I'll try to explain what is probably the worst case for the use of "even" - In a hypothetical situation where he is a rapist, he still wouldn't rape her because he doesn't like her - so even as an insult he's still saying that he wouldn't rape her, which I hope we can agree is a GOOD thing.
You cannot be this stupid can you - you’re just doing this for effect? If you said to someone, “I wouldn’t even bother knifing you” would you think that is a GOOD and perfectly normal opinion to express?
Piha said:
EddieSteadyGo said:
I think we are giving Benjamin far too much credit.
My suggestion is that he was sitting at home one night, have drunk 2 bottles of rosé Echo Falls, getting angry with life, and so he decides to send an insult to Jess Phillips, probably because he feels intimidated by a woman having forthright views which makes him feel threatened.
So he decides to think of something nasty to say, and knowing Phillips is a strong advocate against domestic violence, decides to go with his rape "joke".
This guy as I said earlier isn't very bright. He deserves as much publicity as the other sad trolls who sit on Twitter abusing people i.e. none. The idea he might become an MEP, even for a short period, is disappointing in the extreme.
Oh my days....!!!!My suggestion is that he was sitting at home one night, have drunk 2 bottles of rosé Echo Falls, getting angry with life, and so he decides to send an insult to Jess Phillips, probably because he feels intimidated by a woman having forthright views which makes him feel threatened.
So he decides to think of something nasty to say, and knowing Phillips is a strong advocate against domestic violence, decides to go with his rape "joke".
This guy as I said earlier isn't very bright. He deserves as much publicity as the other sad trolls who sit on Twitter abusing people i.e. none. The idea he might become an MEP, even for a short period, is disappointing in the extreme.
If this is some kind of bizarre defence of the person that spouted those despicable words aimed at Jess, then I truly believe you need to take a serious look at your social compass.
Maybe he has low self-esteem and this is a way of trying to validate himself. Who really cares?
His insults don't deserve careful analysis. They aren't ironic, or comedic, or insightful. He is just trying to be nasty. Unless his comments break the law, the best thing we can do is to ignore him and so remove the oxygen of publicity he craves.
The broader point though is how anyone could vote for a party who selects him as one of their candidates. For people who want to support a Brexit type party, I'd have thought Farage's lot would likely now be a better choice.
UKIP has literally become what Cameron said a few years ago; a party of fruitcakes and closet racists.
EddieSteadyGo said:
Piha said:
EddieSteadyGo said:
I think we are giving Benjamin far too much credit.
My suggestion is that he was sitting at home one night, have drunk 2 bottles of rosé Echo Falls, getting angry with life, and so he decides to send an insult to Jess Phillips, probably because he feels intimidated by a woman having forthright views which makes him feel threatened.
So he decides to think of something nasty to say, and knowing Phillips is a strong advocate against domestic violence, decides to go with his rape "joke".
This guy as I said earlier isn't very bright. He deserves as much publicity as the other sad trolls who sit on Twitter abusing people i.e. none. The idea he might become an MEP, even for a short period, is disappointing in the extreme.
Oh my days....!!!!My suggestion is that he was sitting at home one night, have drunk 2 bottles of rosé Echo Falls, getting angry with life, and so he decides to send an insult to Jess Phillips, probably because he feels intimidated by a woman having forthright views which makes him feel threatened.
So he decides to think of something nasty to say, and knowing Phillips is a strong advocate against domestic violence, decides to go with his rape "joke".
This guy as I said earlier isn't very bright. He deserves as much publicity as the other sad trolls who sit on Twitter abusing people i.e. none. The idea he might become an MEP, even for a short period, is disappointing in the extreme.
If this is some kind of bizarre defence of the person that spouted those despicable words aimed at Jess, then I truly believe you need to take a serious look at your social compass.
Maybe he has low self-esteem and this is a way of trying to validate himself. Who really cares?
His insults don't deserve careful analysis. They aren't ironic, or comedic, or insightful. He is just trying to be nasty. Unless his comments break the law, the best thing we can do is to ignore him and so remove the oxygen of publicity he craves.
The broader point though is how anyone could vote for a party who selects him as one of their candidates. For people who want to support a Brexit type party, I'd have thought Farage's lot would likely now be a better choice.
UKIP has literally become what Cameron said a few years ago; a party of fruitcakes and closet racists.
Possible.
However, political parties in our democratic system only gain power from popular wide spread support so gaining a few hundred odd balls to their cause is largely irrelevant.
Like I said earlier, this pair and that Yaxley Lennon bloke are like the gift that will keep giving. Just more and more nails in the coffin for UKIP ever being anything other than a fringe nutcase party going forward.
However, political parties in our democratic system only gain power from popular wide spread support so gaining a few hundred odd balls to their cause is largely irrelevant.
Like I said earlier, this pair and that Yaxley Lennon bloke are like the gift that will keep giving. Just more and more nails in the coffin for UKIP ever being anything other than a fringe nutcase party going forward.
IanH755 said:
Roman Rhodes said:
You’re tying yourself in knots trying to excuse what the guy said. Keep it simple: explain the use of the word “even” in the phrase “I wouldn’t even rape you”.
I'm trying to understand why you think that saying you would not rape someone is a bad thing rather than "excusing" someone for saying "I don't rape women". However, I'll try to explain what is probably the worst case for the use of "even" - In a hypothetical situation where he is a rapist, he still wouldn't rape her because he doesn't like her - so even as an insult he's still saying that he wouldn't rape her, which I hope we can agree is a GOOD thing.Sorry, but I'll stick with the sane people and condemn him for being a rapist.
It's genuinely worrying that you continue to tie yourself in knots defending him.
hidetheelephants said:
EddieSteadyGo said:
UKIP has literally become what Cameron said a few years ago; a party of fruitcakes and closet racists.
I think they came out of the closet at the point Waxy Lemon became a 'consultant'.EddieSteadyGo said:
The broader point though is how anyone could vote for a party who selects him as one of their candidates. For people who want to support a Brexit type party, I'd have thought Farage's lot would likely now be a better choice.
UKIP has literally become what Cameron said a few years ago; a party of fruitcakes and closet racists.
They're becoming a political wing of 8chan, and the hatred really isn't especially closeted any more. You really don't have to look very far at all to find Benjamin saying and justifying saying all sorts of unpleasant stuff - for instance pushing the idea that Charlottesville victim Heather Heyer wasn't killed in a deliberate act, rather she had a heart attack having seen the crash. That was from a discussion with self-proclaimed white nationalist Youtuber "Millenial Woes". He's normalising deeply unpleasant behaviour and operates in a circle of deeply unpleasant people, and they seem to be trying to capture UKIP, who at least have a veneer of mainstream credibility (or perhaps did at one point).UKIP has literally become what Cameron said a few years ago; a party of fruitcakes and closet racists.
IanH755 said:
Ah, my mistake, I didn't realise this was a pro-rape echo chamber, I'll leave you disgusting animals alone.
Any forum which allows people to be actively pro-rape in it's boards and refuses to remove them is a waste of my time.
You seem to think that you're being really clever, but you come across as a complete knob, frankly.Any forum which allows people to be actively pro-rape in it's boards and refuses to remove them is a waste of my time.
Must be the UKIP way these days
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