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hstewie said:
hstewie said:amusingduck said:
I changed the n-word to "n-word" in the above quote. That sounds like exactly what he'd do given my experiences of him, but does that make him a racist?
Why did you feel the need to change the "n-word" to "n-word"?Is it because the Pistonheads swear filter is censoring you or is because you're a decent person so you understand that you just don't say that?
In which case why should it be different for Benjamin?
I don't agree with the concept of words being unspeakable. They exist to serve a purpose, to share information and ideas with one another. If you read that quote back to me, as originally written, does it change your level of decency or make you a racist person? Of course not.
That's not to say that all words are equal. But as long as a word is in use, there will always be an acceptable use of the term. Whether that's reporting the news, a dictionary definition, or whatever. How you use the words is what matters.
amusingduck said:
I generally prefer to quote things verbatim, but in this case I'm not sure if it would get my post deleted.
I don't agree with the concept of words being unspeakable. They exist to serve a purpose, to share information and ideas with one another. If you read that quote back to me, as originally written, does it change your level of decency or make you a racist person? Of course not.
That's not to say that all words are equal. But as long as a word is in use, there will always be an acceptable use of the term. Whether that's reporting the news, a dictionary definition, or whatever. How you use the words is what matters.
I agree words serve a purpose.I don't agree with the concept of words being unspeakable. They exist to serve a purpose, to share information and ideas with one another. If you read that quote back to me, as originally written, does it change your level of decency or make you a racist person? Of course not.
That's not to say that all words are equal. But as long as a word is in use, there will always be an acceptable use of the term. Whether that's reporting the news, a dictionary definition, or whatever. How you use the words is what matters.
I don't agree or think that Benjamin is some special case who has a legitimate argument for the words and language he uses.
You said it's how you use the words and I tend to agree which is why I don't think that "I wouldn't even rape you" and the other things are witty or clever or ironic or any of the things Benjamin would like to have people believe.
He's simply repellent.
Now that said, I'm just some gobs
te on a forum, what I think is neither here nor there, but getting yourself banned from Twitter is some going.Especially managing it twice.
The entire reaction to the likes of Carl Benjamin even Trump for me goes to show the growing cultural differences within our society.
We have entire groups and now generations of people who stay in school up until their mid twenties inclosed in protective bubble with safe spaces and so on. The only real adult figures they interact with are school teachers "Well done Timmy grate try" sort of people even though Timmy fked things right up. Then when they leave school they go straight into careers also full of other man children.
Then on the other side you have the people who leave school at 16 or maybe go on to do apprenticeships, college even university but end up in careers not filled with other university graduates, They usually get a quick sharp shock of what the world of adults is actually like. They end up working with Jim and when Timmy fks up Jim doesn't go "Good try Timmy" he goes "What the fk are you doing you little prick?". Little Timmy also gets the st taken out of him, practical jokes played on him. He soon learns to grow a skin and learns when something is just a bit of banter and a joke or when hes does get a proper bking learns to they just deal with it. They don't get shocked, outraged and offended about stupid little thing usually because there are more important things to worry about.
When both groups see the likes of Carl Benjamin the man children get all upset and say things like "What a nasty piece of work" The other group doesn't really give a st about stupid little daft tweets. Because like I said they have learnt how to filter what means something and what doesn't.
We have entire groups and now generations of people who stay in school up until their mid twenties inclosed in protective bubble with safe spaces and so on. The only real adult figures they interact with are school teachers "Well done Timmy grate try" sort of people even though Timmy f
ked things right up. Then when they leave school they go straight into careers also full of other man children. Then on the other side you have the people who leave school at 16 or maybe go on to do apprenticeships, college even university but end up in careers not filled with other university graduates, They usually get a quick sharp shock of what the world of adults is actually like. They end up working with Jim and when Timmy f
ks up Jim doesn't go "Good try Timmy" he goes "What the fk are you doing you little prick?". Little Timmy also gets the st taken out of him, practical jokes played on him. He soon learns to grow a skin and learns when something is just a bit of banter and a joke or when hes does get a proper bking learns to they just deal with it. They don't get shocked, outraged and offended about stupid little thing usually because there are more important things to worry about. When both groups see the likes of Carl Benjamin the man children get all upset and say things like "What a nasty piece of work" The other group doesn't really give a s
t about stupid little daft tweets. Because like I said they have learnt how to filter what means something and what doesn't. Not-The-Messiah said:
The entire reaction to the likes of Carl Benjamin even Trump for me goes to show the growing cultural differences within our society.
We have entire groups and now generations of people who stay in school up until their mid twenties inclosed in protective bubble with safe spaces and so on. The only real adult figures they interact with are school teachers "Well done Timmy grate try" sort of people even though Timmy fked things right up. Then when they leave school they go straight into careers also full of other man children.
Then on the other side you have the people who leave school at 16 or maybe go on to do apprenticeships, college even university but end up in careers not filled with other university graduates, They usually get a quick sharp shock of what the world of adults is actually like. They end up working with Jim and when Timmy fks up Jim doesn't go "Good try Timmy" he goes "What the fk are you doing you little prick?". Little Timmy also gets the st taken out of him, practical jokes played on him. He soon learns to grow a skin and learns when something is just a bit of banter and a joke or when hes does get a proper bking learns to they just deal with it. They don't get shocked, outraged and offended about stupid little thing usually because there are more important things to worry about.
When both groups see the likes of Carl Benjamin the man children get all upset and say things like "What a nasty piece of work" The other group doesn't really give a st about stupid little daft tweets. Because like I said they have learnt how to filter what means something and what doesn't.
Edited because I really can't be arsed. We have entire groups and now generations of people who stay in school up until their mid twenties inclosed in protective bubble with safe spaces and so on. The only real adult figures they interact with are school teachers "Well done Timmy grate try" sort of people even though Timmy f
ked things right up. Then when they leave school they go straight into careers also full of other man children. Then on the other side you have the people who leave school at 16 or maybe go on to do apprenticeships, college even university but end up in careers not filled with other university graduates, They usually get a quick sharp shock of what the world of adults is actually like. They end up working with Jim and when Timmy f
ks up Jim doesn't go "Good try Timmy" he goes "What the fk are you doing you little prick?". Little Timmy also gets the st taken out of him, practical jokes played on him. He soon learns to grow a skin and learns when something is just a bit of banter and a joke or when hes does get a proper bking learns to they just deal with it. They don't get shocked, outraged and offended about stupid little thing usually because there are more important things to worry about. When both groups see the likes of Carl Benjamin the man children get all upset and say things like "What a nasty piece of work" The other group doesn't really give a s
t about stupid little daft tweets. Because like I said they have learnt how to filter what means something and what doesn't. Edited by anonymous-user on Saturday 27th April 16:47
Not-The-Messiah said:
The entire reaction to the likes of Carl Benjamin even Trump for me goes to show the growing cultural differences within our society.
We have entire groups and now generations of people who stay in school up until their mid twenties inclosed in protective bubble with safe spaces and so on. The only real adult figures they interact with are school teachers "Well done Timmy grate try" sort of people even though Timmy fked things right up. Then when they leave school they go straight into careers also full of other man children.
Then on the other side you have the people who leave school at 16 or maybe go on to do apprenticeships, college even university but end up in careers not filled with other university graduates, They usually get a quick sharp shock of what the world of adults is actually like. They end up working with Jim and when Timmy fks up Jim doesn't go "Good try Timmy" he goes "What the fk are you doing you little prick?". Little Timmy also gets the st taken out of him, practical jokes played on him. He soon learns to grow a skin and learns when something is just a bit of banter and a joke or when hes does get a proper bking learns to they just deal with it. They don't get shocked, outraged and offended about stupid little thing usually because there are more important things to worry about.
When both groups see the likes of Carl Benjamin the man children get all upset and say things like "What a nasty piece of work" The other group doesn't really give a st about stupid little daft tweets. Because like I said they have learnt how to filter what means something and what doesn't.
I think it's a little too easy to try and reduce it to some kind of "on the tools" thing or to paint it as an age or education thing.We have entire groups and now generations of people who stay in school up until their mid twenties inclosed in protective bubble with safe spaces and so on. The only real adult figures they interact with are school teachers "Well done Timmy grate try" sort of people even though Timmy f
ked things right up. Then when they leave school they go straight into careers also full of other man children. Then on the other side you have the people who leave school at 16 or maybe go on to do apprenticeships, college even university but end up in careers not filled with other university graduates, They usually get a quick sharp shock of what the world of adults is actually like. They end up working with Jim and when Timmy f
ks up Jim doesn't go "Good try Timmy" he goes "What the fk are you doing you little prick?". Little Timmy also gets the st taken out of him, practical jokes played on him. He soon learns to grow a skin and learns when something is just a bit of banter and a joke or when hes does get a proper bking learns to they just deal with it. They don't get shocked, outraged and offended about stupid little thing usually because there are more important things to worry about. When both groups see the likes of Carl Benjamin the man children get all upset and say things like "What a nasty piece of work" The other group doesn't really give a s
t about stupid little daft tweets. Because like I said they have learnt how to filter what means something and what doesn't. As you've quoted me presumably I'm one of "the man children" you refer to.
You'd probably be surprised, but if it's easier to think of me that way then fair enough.
Sometimes it's as simple as recognising right from wrong rather than age or education or all the other stuff you've mentioned.
Not-The-Messiah said:
The entire reaction to the likes of Carl Benjamin even Trump for me goes to show the growing cultural differences within our society.
We have entire groups and now generations of people who stay in school up until their mid twenties inclosed in protective bubble with safe spaces and so on. The only real adult figures they interact with are school teachers "Well done Timmy grate try" sort of people even though Timmy fked things right up. Then when they leave school they go straight into careers also full of other man children.
Then on the other side you have the people who leave school at 16 or maybe go on to do apprenticeships, college even university but end up in careers not filled with other university graduates, They usually get a quick sharp shock of what the world of adults is actually like. They end up working with Jim and when Timmy fks up Jim doesn't go "Good try Timmy" he goes "What the fk are you doing you little prick?". Little Timmy also gets the st taken out of him, practical jokes played on him. He soon learns to grow a skin and learns when something is just a bit of banter and a joke or when hes does get a proper bking learns to they just deal with it. They don't get shocked, outraged and offended about stupid little thing usually because there are more important things to worry about.
When both groups see the likes of Carl Benjamin the man children get all upset and say things like "What a nasty piece of work" The other group doesn't really give a st about stupid little daft tweets. Because like I said they have learnt how to filter what means something and what doesn't.
Over emotional bullsWe have entire groups and now generations of people who stay in school up until their mid twenties inclosed in protective bubble with safe spaces and so on. The only real adult figures they interact with are school teachers "Well done Timmy grate try" sort of people even though Timmy f
ked things right up. Then when they leave school they go straight into careers also full of other man children. Then on the other side you have the people who leave school at 16 or maybe go on to do apprenticeships, college even university but end up in careers not filled with other university graduates, They usually get a quick sharp shock of what the world of adults is actually like. They end up working with Jim and when Timmy f
ks up Jim doesn't go "Good try Timmy" he goes "What the fk are you doing you little prick?". Little Timmy also gets the st taken out of him, practical jokes played on him. He soon learns to grow a skin and learns when something is just a bit of banter and a joke or when hes does get a proper bking learns to they just deal with it. They don't get shocked, outraged and offended about stupid little thing usually because there are more important things to worry about. When both groups see the likes of Carl Benjamin the man children get all upset and say things like "What a nasty piece of work" The other group doesn't really give a s
t about stupid little daft tweets. Because like I said they have learnt how to filter what means something and what doesn't. t from someone who is clearly living in a right wing social media safe space, spending far too much time raging incoherently against a modern world which has passed him by.bhstewie said:
hstewie said:Not-The-Messiah said:
The entire reaction to the likes of Carl Benjamin even Trump for me goes to show the growing cultural differences within our society.
We have entire groups and now generations of people who stay in school up until their mid twenties inclosed in protective bubble with safe spaces and so on. The only real adult figures they interact with are school teachers "Well done Timmy grate try" sort of people even though Timmy fked things right up. Then when they leave school they go straight into careers also full of other man children.
Then on the other side you have the people who leave school at 16 or maybe go on to do apprenticeships, college even university but end up in careers not filled with other university graduates, They usually get a quick sharp shock of what the world of adults is actually like. They end up working with Jim and when Timmy fks up Jim doesn't go "Good try Timmy" he goes "What the fk are you doing you little prick?". Little Timmy also gets the st taken out of him, practical jokes played on him. He soon learns to grow a skin and learns when something is just a bit of banter and a joke or when hes does get a proper bking learns to they just deal with it. They don't get shocked, outraged and offended about stupid little thing usually because there are more important things to worry about.
When both groups see the likes of Carl Benjamin the man children get all upset and say things like "What a nasty piece of work" The other group doesn't really give a st about stupid little daft tweets. Because like I said they have learnt how to filter what means something and what doesn't.
I think it's a little too easy to try and reduce it to some kind of "on the tools" thing or to paint it as an age or education thing.We have entire groups and now generations of people who stay in school up until their mid twenties inclosed in protective bubble with safe spaces and so on. The only real adult figures they interact with are school teachers "Well done Timmy grate try" sort of people even though Timmy f
ked things right up. Then when they leave school they go straight into careers also full of other man children. Then on the other side you have the people who leave school at 16 or maybe go on to do apprenticeships, college even university but end up in careers not filled with other university graduates, They usually get a quick sharp shock of what the world of adults is actually like. They end up working with Jim and when Timmy f
ks up Jim doesn't go "Good try Timmy" he goes "What the fk are you doing you little prick?". Little Timmy also gets the st taken out of him, practical jokes played on him. He soon learns to grow a skin and learns when something is just a bit of banter and a joke or when hes does get a proper bking learns to they just deal with it. They don't get shocked, outraged and offended about stupid little thing usually because there are more important things to worry about. When both groups see the likes of Carl Benjamin the man children get all upset and say things like "What a nasty piece of work" The other group doesn't really give a s
t about stupid little daft tweets. Because like I said they have learnt how to filter what means something and what doesn't. As you've quoted me presumably I'm one of "the man children" you refer to.
You'd probably be surprised, but if it's easier to think of me that way then fair enough.
Sometimes it's as simple as recognising right from wrong rather than age or education or all the other stuff you've mentioned.
Not-The-Messiah said:
Exactly how you would expect someone I described would think. A child like simplistic view of the world, right and wrong, good or bad, nasty or nice. It would be nice if the world and life was so simple.
I didn't say that the world and life are simple.I said sometimes things are simple.
Maybe you're the really smart one here and I'm the dumb one, who knows, I'm happy for others to make their mind up on that one.
Not-The-Messiah said:
Exactly how you would expect someone I described would think. A child like simplistic view of the world, right and wrong, good or bad, nasty or nice. It would be nice if the world and life was so simple.
Says the one who in his previous post divided contemporary society into a simplistic classification of either "man children" or "on the other side" those who "learn to grow a skin" (and who appears not to acknowledge the 50% of the population who aren't men, children or otherwise).
All of which would be amusing, if it weren't for the fact this is just part of your effort to justify being an apologist for nasty scumbags like Carl Benjamin and Trump.
eharding said:
Not-The-Messiah said:
Exactly how you would expect someone I described would think. A child like simplistic view of the world, right and wrong, good or bad, nasty or nice. It would be nice if the world and life was so simple.
Says the one who in his previous post divided contemporary society into a simplistic classification of either "man children" or "on the other side" those who "learn to grow a skin" (and who appears not to acknowledge the 50% of the population who aren't men, children or otherwise).
All of which would be amusing, if it weren't for the fact this is just part of your effort to justify being an apologist for nasty scumbags like Carl Benjamin and Trump.
the racist lot just make themselves look stupid .. once you learn that whatever colour we are we all share the same basic way of living judge actions not skin colour ,
the cry baby PC lot are just as pathetic and we take far too much notice of them IMHO.. sadly we have far to many of these semi educated virtue signaling hand wringing morons infesting the public sector ...
powerstroke said:
semi educated virtue signaling hand wringing morons infesting the public sector ...
Just for the record, do you feel comfortable with sharing with us your own final level of formal education? Postgrad Masters Degree in Engineering here, for the record.
Just interested as to what you deem "semi educated" with respect to your own academic achievements.
eharding said:
powerstroke said:
semi educated virtue signaling hand wringing morons infesting the public sector ...
Just for the record, do you feel comfortable with sharing with us your own final level of formal education? Postgrad Masters Degree in Engineering here, for the record.
Just interested as to what you deem "semi educated" with respect to your own academic achievements.
He’s a classic PH PBD per his profile.
First from the university of life one assumes having graduated from the school of hard knocks.
The deeply ironic thing about mr Benjamin is that his public flaying the past week has been a really good advert for why one should trust the good sense of the British public when it comes to free speech. It's just that it's entirely for the completely opposite reasons to his own personal crusade on this subject. Almost nobody is listening to this guy and thinking oh yes that it is an interesting insight, instead they hear a really crass offensive pillock. Jess Phillips made the point herself on This Week the other night, his shtick has completely backfired on him. Don't shut these people down, put the spotlight on them and expose their nonsense.
Not-The-Messiah said:
The entire reaction to the likes of Carl Benjamin even Trump for me goes to show the growing cultural differences within our society.
We have entire groups and now generations of people who stay in school up until their mid twenties inclosed in protective bubble with safe spaces and so on. The only real adult figures they interact with are school teachers "Well done Timmy grate try" sort of people even though Timmy fked things right up. Then when they leave school they go straight into careers also full of other man children.
Then on the other side you have the people who leave school at 16 or maybe go on to do apprenticeships, college even university but end up in careers not filled with other university graduates, They usually get a quick sharp shock of what the world of adults is actually like. They end up working with Jim and when Timmy fks up Jim doesn't go "Good try Timmy" he goes "What the fk are you doing you little prick?". Little Timmy also gets the st taken out of him, practical jokes played on him. He soon learns to grow a skin and learns when something is just a bit of banter and a joke or when hes does get a proper bking learns to they just deal with it. They don't get shocked, outraged and offended about stupid little thing usually because there are more important things to worry about.
When both groups see the likes of Carl Benjamin the man children get all upset and say things like "What a nasty piece of work" The other group doesn't really give a st about stupid little daft tweets. Because like I said they have learnt how to filter what means something and what doesn't.
Strange how you are obviously in the latter category yet still have no awareness of what a complete dick you are.We have entire groups and now generations of people who stay in school up until their mid twenties inclosed in protective bubble with safe spaces and so on. The only real adult figures they interact with are school teachers "Well done Timmy grate try" sort of people even though Timmy f
ked things right up. Then when they leave school they go straight into careers also full of other man children. Then on the other side you have the people who leave school at 16 or maybe go on to do apprenticeships, college even university but end up in careers not filled with other university graduates, They usually get a quick sharp shock of what the world of adults is actually like. They end up working with Jim and when Timmy f
ks up Jim doesn't go "Good try Timmy" he goes "What the fk are you doing you little prick?". Little Timmy also gets the st taken out of him, practical jokes played on him. He soon learns to grow a skin and learns when something is just a bit of banter and a joke or when hes does get a proper bking learns to they just deal with it. They don't get shocked, outraged and offended about stupid little thing usually because there are more important things to worry about. When both groups see the likes of Carl Benjamin the man children get all upset and say things like "What a nasty piece of work" The other group doesn't really give a s
t about stupid little daft tweets. Because like I said they have learnt how to filter what means something and what doesn't. The gift that keeps giving https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6967747/N...
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