The EU vs Google
Discussion
KFC said:
Its nothing to do with a shakedown - its the EU rightfully cracking down on an abusive monopoly.
Its pretty obvious that some of the replies above have zero understanding whats going on, I'm not going to spend hours working for free trying to educate you guys so all I'm gonna say is you're wrong and I would suggest you go do some reading on it if you care enough.
Google being slapped down and the emergence of a real viable alternative would be a brilliant thing to happen, even if the general public are too stupid to understand that.
If thats the case they should go after ebay and paypal first. That is an abusive monopoly. Its pretty obvious that some of the replies above have zero understanding whats going on, I'm not going to spend hours working for free trying to educate you guys so all I'm gonna say is you're wrong and I would suggest you go do some reading on it if you care enough.
Google being slapped down and the emergence of a real viable alternative would be a brilliant thing to happen, even if the general public are too stupid to understand that.
As far as I can remember google have been providing me will a free and decent service for over a decade. I personally don't want anything to change, but I'm possibly too stupid to realise that it should change?
Some unrelated facts
1. The EU is quite keen on the Right to Be Forgotten. Google a bit less so.
2. Google Imaging "angela merkel young communist" will show not only the young Angela in her communist uniform with her little communist buddies. It will also show you her without the uniform.
Obviously these are unrelated facts.
And I am the Queen of Sheba.
1. The EU is quite keen on the Right to Be Forgotten. Google a bit less so.
2. Google Imaging "angela merkel young communist" will show not only the young Angela in her communist uniform with her little communist buddies. It will also show you her without the uniform.
Obviously these are unrelated facts.
And I am the Queen of Sheba.
Asterix said:
I must be dim as well. - I can understand why Microsoft was hit but don't fully understand this.
join the club!Android is given out free to manufacturers, they are also free to use Microsoft windows, so I am struggling to see what the competition issue is here.
if you look at mobile phone OS's, Apple/RIM are closed platforms (competition anyone?), Microsoft/Google are open, ie, they are available to all manufacturers of phones.
Samsung had/has Bada, the chinese have OPhone (although it seems to be Android based).
try running Android on an iPhone or Blackberry.
seems to me that the EU one again is acting like a dumb bunch of anti-competitive morons again.
From that BBC link, it looks like the EU are grumpy that Google have a 90% market share, and want them to split the search bit of the company from the rest of it. Obviously some little brains have equated this to retail and investment banking. Other bits of the complaint are Google prioritising Google services in the results, and Google making it tricky to exit a contract.
Little bit of sympathy for the latter complaint, though I would question the business logic of moving advertising to a platform that is fighting for 10% market share.
If the prioritisation thing sticks, I look forward to Coronation Street promos before EastEnders.
As regards splitting the search bit of the company, that simply displays a huge lack of understanding of what Google is, and does.
Little bit of sympathy for the latter complaint, though I would question the business logic of moving advertising to a platform that is fighting for 10% market share.
If the prioritisation thing sticks, I look forward to Coronation Street promos before EastEnders.
As regards splitting the search bit of the company, that simply displays a huge lack of understanding of what Google is, and does.
randlemarcus said:
From that BBC link, it looks like the EU are grumpy that Google have a 90% market share, and want them to split the search bit of the company from the rest of it. Obviously some little brains have equated this to retail and investment banking. Other bits of the complaint are Google prioritising Google services in the results, and Google making it tricky to exit a contract.
Little bit of sympathy for the latter complaint, though I would question the business logic of moving advertising to a platform that is fighting for 10% market share.
If the prioritisation thing sticks, I look forward to Coronation Street promos before EastEnders.
As regards splitting the search bit of the company, that simply displays a huge lack of understanding of what Google is, and does.
the search ending/shopping bit is a bogus argument, you only have to look at Ebay/Paypal of you want to see abuse of the market.Little bit of sympathy for the latter complaint, though I would question the business logic of moving advertising to a platform that is fighting for 10% market share.
If the prioritisation thing sticks, I look forward to Coronation Street promos before EastEnders.
As regards splitting the search bit of the company, that simply displays a huge lack of understanding of what Google is, and does.
paulrockliffe said:
Just seen some EU nutter talking about breaking up Google because when you search the Google website for stuff to buy they try to sell you stuff that they are financially connected to.
Thing is, if I search for stuff to buy on eBay or on Amazon or anyone else's website, they only show me things they have a financial interest in selling me too. That's just the way these things work.
So why are the EU trying to f
k about with something that works very well for us consumers? Are they just after a few billion quid to give to Greece, or is there more to it than that?
People perceive ebay and amazon as retailers so expect to be sold to.Thing is, if I search for stuff to buy on eBay or on Amazon or anyone else's website, they only show me things they have a financial interest in selling me too. That's just the way these things work.
So why are the EU trying to f
k about with something that works very well for us consumers? Are they just after a few billion quid to give to Greece, or is there more to it than that?They see google as a search engine so expect impartial advice, not searches which direct them to things google want to sell them
To most people it'd like walking down the high street going in Tesco and HSBC and then getting the hard sell in the library
grumbledoak said:
Some unrelated facts
1. The EU is quite keen on the Right to Be Forgotten. Google a bit less so.
2. Google Imaging "angela merkel young communist" will show not only the young Angela in her communist uniform with her little communist buddies. It will also show you her without the uniform.
Obviously these are unrelated facts.
And I am the Queen of Sheba.
I just Bing'd the phrase "angela merkel young communist" and it brings up only one result - this thread...!1. The EU is quite keen on the Right to Be Forgotten. Google a bit less so.
2. Google Imaging "angela merkel young communist" will show not only the young Angela in her communist uniform with her little communist buddies. It will also show you her without the uniform.
Obviously these are unrelated facts.
And I am the Queen of Sheba.
A Bing image search brings you the uniforms but not the nudies. Good boy, Microsoft, good boy.
I then thought to look for other competing search engines, but stopped when I realised that I had to Google for "Google alternative" to do so...
Beati Dogu said:
It's just the latest EU shakedown of a US tech company. Everyone knows that if they were a French company, this would not be happening.
Google will just suck it up and accept it's the cost of doing business over here.
The truth of the matter is that if Google were a, for argument's sake, British or French company you would be highly likely to see:-Google will just suck it up and accept it's the cost of doing business over here.
In another World Beati Dogu might have said:
It's just the latest US shakedown of an EU tech company. Everyone knows that if they were an American company, this would not be happening.
Google will just suck it up and accept it's the cost of doing business over there.
Google will just suck it up and accept it's the cost of doing business over there.
schmunk said:
grumbledoak said:
Some unrelated facts
1. The EU is quite keen on the Right to Be Forgotten. Google a bit less so.
2. Google Imaging "angela merkel young communist" will show not only the young Angela in her communist uniform with her little communist buddies. It will also show you her without the uniform.
Obviously these are unrelated facts.
And I am the Queen of Sheba.
I just Bing'd the phrase "angela merkel young communist" and it brings up only one result - this thread...!1. The EU is quite keen on the Right to Be Forgotten. Google a bit less so.
2. Google Imaging "angela merkel young communist" will show not only the young Angela in her communist uniform with her little communist buddies. It will also show you her without the uniform.
Obviously these are unrelated facts.
And I am the Queen of Sheba.
A Bing image search brings you the uniforms but not the nudies. Good boy, Microsoft, good boy.
I then thought to look for other competing search engines, but stopped when I realised that I had to Google for "Google alternative" to do so...
98elise said:
If thats the case they should go after ebay and paypal first. That is an abusive monopoly.
As far as I can remember google have been providing me will a free and decent service for over a decade. I personally don't want anything to change, but I'm possibly too stupid to realise that it should change?
eBay and Paypal aren't anywhere near as abusive as Google. The fact you're even using that as an example, shows me how little you actually understand here. As far as I can remember google have been providing me will a free and decent service for over a decade. I personally don't want anything to change, but I'm possibly too stupid to realise that it should change?
Google giving you a service for free for 10 years has nothing to do with the abuse of market position by Google. Without meaning to be too rude, yes I'd agree with you in that last comment you made
KFC said:
eBay and Paypal aren't anywhere near as abusive as Google.
I'd counter that. eBay has a large proportion of the 'internet marketplace' market sewn up. Paypal is largest payments engine. The former bought the later. Not only do they enforce the use of a Paypal account on anything you wish to sell, they abuse their monopoly by not allowing any other third party payment provider (like Google Checkout for instance) to be used... That seems to me to be pretty anti-competitive, and this is from a service that you pay for, not one that is provided free.SimonD said:
I'd counter that. eBay has a large proportion of the 'internet marketplace' market sewn up. Paypal is largest payments engine. The former bought the later. Not only do they enforce the use of a Paypal account on anything you wish to sell, they abuse their monopoly by not allowing any other third party payment provider (like Google Checkout for instance) to be used... That seems to me to be pretty anti-competitive, and this is from a service that you pay for, not one that is provided free.
A percentage of internet users use the default search engine to navigate the web. i.e. rather than typing Pistonheads.com into the url bar, they type "Pistonheads" which turns it into a search. Or they type Pistonheads.com into a search engine box. It opens up a whole other world of abuse option when Google gets to tamper with what were effectively direct navigation requests. This is something that doesn't even come into the equation with ebay or paypal.
RegMolehusband said:
KFC said:
Its nothing to do with a shakedown - its the EU rightfully cracking down on an abusive monopoly.
Its pretty obvious that some of the replies above have zero understanding whats going on, I'm not going to spend hours working for free trying to educate you guys so all I'm gonna say is you're wrong and I would suggest you go do some reading on it if you care enough.
Google being slapped down and the emergence of a real viable alternative would be a brilliant thing to happen, even if the general public are too stupid to understand that.
This is the correct answer. Its pretty obvious that some of the replies above have zero understanding whats going on, I'm not going to spend hours working for free trying to educate you guys so all I'm gonna say is you're wrong and I would suggest you go do some reading on it if you care enough.
Google being slapped down and the emergence of a real viable alternative would be a brilliant thing to happen, even if the general public are too stupid to understand that.
KFC said:
Foliage said:
No its not.
Are you in the camp of 98elise then.... as long as you get everything free as a consumer you don't care who gets trampled on in the process?Your wrong because you don't seem to understand the psychology of the mass consumer. The mass consumer doesn't understand that google isn't just providing all these free services for the good of its health and while people are happy to use google they will hold the market share. Look at how ingrained the word google is now in our language, that says a lot.
Profit is everything. Governments are irrelevant.
Edited by Foliage on Thursday 16th April 14:10
KFC said:
Foliage said:
No its not.
Are you in the camp of 98elise then.... as long as you get everything free as a consumer you don't care who gets trampled on in the process?But it's not for a supra-national institution to interfere in the activities of a private company which isn't infringing any laws in the member states it operates in.
Next you'll argue that there's little alternative out there. I'd agree, for now. Once Google oversteps the mark in the eyes of it's users then they'll migrate elsewhere, it's the nature of the internet.
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