An Englishmans house is his castle.......

An Englishmans house is his castle.......

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anonymous-user

53 months

Friday 3rd June 2016
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grumbledoak said:
Inevitable.

I don't doubt that brown envelopes would have been a far more effective approach than open disobedience.
He was more interested in sticking two fingers up at the planners and it failed spectacularly.

PF62

3,575 posts

172 months

Friday 3rd June 2016
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zarjaz1991 said:
Obviously, this only applies to ordinary people. Tesco in Stockport built their store too large for the planning consent they had, but the council let them keep it. If you have enough money in brown envelopes, you're ok.
Not always just to ordinary people - http://www.heart.co.uk/cambridge/news/local/st-neo...

I hope the design consultant had some good insurance.

Halb

53,012 posts

182 months

Sunday 5th June 2016
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Getragdogleg said:
Yes, knocking that down really improved the area.
Indeed, great British common sense and fkwittery, small councils for small minds. Makes ya proud!! biggrin

Silent1

19,761 posts

234 months

Sunday 5th June 2016
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RYH64E said:
In a way it's a shame because the quality of work appeared to be very good, but I don't think there was any real alternative to demolition, he was taking the piss.
The quality of the work was appalling, the turrets were built out of grain silos with a brick facing!

loafer123

15,404 posts

214 months

Sunday 5th June 2016
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Halb said:
Getragdogleg said:
Yes, knocking that down really improved the area.
Indeed, great British common sense and fkwittery, small councils for small minds. Makes ya proud!! biggrin
To quote Al Murray;

"If we didn't have rules, where would we be?"

"France"

Russwhitehouse

962 posts

130 months

Sunday 5th June 2016
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A line that always makes me chuckle given that France is utterly strangled by rules and regulations.

Halb

53,012 posts

182 months

Sunday 5th June 2016
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Indeed, France! That bastion of bureaucracy and local council vindictiveness! Anglo-Franco combo at its best!😀

///ajd

8,964 posts

205 months

Sunday 5th June 2016
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BlackLabel said:
Blimey, I never realised he'd built it between shabby looking huge sheds - visible from the overhead shots. Hardly an area of ONB was it!

Whilst he should never had picked a fight with the council, hard to see any common sense in play here at all.


lostkiwi

4,584 posts

123 months

Sunday 5th June 2016
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REALIST123 said:
BlackLabel said:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-35126234

He's not giving up yet it appears.
Dear me, it's an affront to the senses inside as well. The sooner it's gone the better IMO.
I like the inside. I feel somewhat mixed emotions on this one. Yes the guy didn't follow ghee rules but aside from setting a precedent what real harm has HD done? The property is in keeping with the land - it's not like it was some glass and aluminium monstrosity.

anonymous-user

53 months

Sunday 5th June 2016
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lostkiwi said:
The property is in keeping with the land - it's not like it was some glass and aluminium monstrosity.
It's not in keeping with anything - it's a monstrous pastiche and all the better for being flattened.

gnc

441 posts

114 months

Monday 6th June 2016
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has any one seen the horrid glass palaces or corregatted metal sheds on grand designs, how on earth did they get planning permission. well after 7 years of fighting the planners / planning commitee, with locals / councillor and local mp support. it is obviouse that there is some sort of alternative reasoning. a legal way around is to put forward a exemplary design, that way they can let it through legaly. ( yes i have read the local plan from cover to cover, and an awfull lot more on planning ). brown envelopes arnt subtle enough nowadays.and councils will try to bankrupt you just too prove their might. if you dont believe it google nestwood homes to see their arragance.

Murph7355

37,651 posts

255 months

Monday 6th June 2016
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gnc said:
has any one seen the horrid glass palaces or corregatted metal sheds on grand designs, how on earth did they get planning permission. well after 7 years of fighting the planners / planning commitee, with locals / councillor and local mp support. it is obviouse that there is some sort of alternative reasoning. a legal way around is to put forward a exemplary design, that way they can let it through legaly. ( yes i have read the local plan from cover to cover, and an awfull lot more on planning ). brown envelopes arnt subtle enough nowadays.and councils will try to bankrupt you just too prove their might. if you dont believe it google nestwood homes to see their arragance.
The Grand Designs ones generally follow the planning process applicable to where they are built. Not all go through with plain sailing. But they follow the process. When they don't, even they have issues and this is when life gets difficult.

There are some times in life where following the processes set out, whether they are deemed sensible or not, simply causes you less grief. I'm sure if this chap had followed the processes properly he'd still have a house. It might not have been the one he actually built, but he'd still have one. Compromise obviously isn't something he's prepared to do.

I've had knock backs on planning for what I considered were very sensible applications. I didn't just carry on regardless when they were rejected. I reassessed the situation and compromised (moving house in one example).

anonymous-user

53 months

Monday 6th June 2016
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Murph7355 said:
gnc said:
has any one seen the horrid glass palaces or corregatted metal sheds on grand designs, how on earth did they get planning permission. well after 7 years of fighting the planners / planning commitee, with locals / councillor and local mp support. it is obviouse that there is some sort of alternative reasoning. a legal way around is to put forward a exemplary design, that way they can let it through legaly. ( yes i have read the local plan from cover to cover, and an awfull lot more on planning ). brown envelopes arnt subtle enough nowadays.and councils will try to bankrupt you just too prove their might. if you dont believe it google nestwood homes to see their arragance.
The Grand Designs ones generally follow the planning process applicable to where they are built. Not all go through with plain sailing. But they follow the process. When they don't, even they have issues and this is when life gets difficult.

There are some times in life where following the processes set out, whether they are deemed sensible or not, simply causes you less grief. I'm sure if this chap had followed the processes properly he'd still have a house. It might not have been the one he actually built, but he'd still have one. Compromise obviously isn't something he's prepared to do.

I've had knock backs on planning for what I considered were very sensible applications. I didn't just carry on regardless when they were rejected. I reassessed the situation and compromised (moving house in one example).
My guess is he'd never have received planning permission and that's why he went about it the way he did. He's a chancer and he failed.

Murph7355

37,651 posts

255 months

Monday 6th June 2016
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garyhun said:
My guess is he'd never have received planning permission and that's why he went about it the way he did. He's a chancer and he failed.
Agreed. And the right result has ensued.

LeighW

4,361 posts

187 months

Monday 6th June 2016
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gnc said:
has any one seen the horrid glass palaces or corregatted metal sheds on grand designs, how on earth did they get planning permission.
It always amazes me that the more outlandish designs get permission, given how awkward our planners were over petty things when we built ours (a very normal four bed detached). They argued our bricks (regular multi reds) were not uniform enough in colour, so refused them, then that the roof tiles were too large, so refused those too. In the end we compromised - we got the bricks we wanted, and used the tiles they wanted, but it was bloody hard work.

chr15b

3,467 posts

189 months

Monday 6th June 2016
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lostkiwi said:
REALIST123 said:
BlackLabel said:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-35126234

He's not giving up yet it appears.
Dear me, it's an affront to the senses inside as well. The sooner it's gone the better IMO.
I like the inside. I feel somewhat mixed emotions on this one. Yes the guy didn't follow ghee rules but aside from setting a precedent what real harm has HD done? The property is in keeping with the land - it's not like it was some glass and aluminium monstrosity.
my take, if you allow his, then you open the floodgates for more people trying it on.

chr15b

3,467 posts

189 months

Monday 6th June 2016
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PF62 said:
zarjaz1991 said:
Obviously, this only applies to ordinary people. Tesco in Stockport built their store too large for the planning consent they had, but the council let them keep it. If you have enough money in brown envelopes, you're ok.
Not always just to ordinary people - http://www.heart.co.uk/cambridge/news/local/st-neo...

I hope the design consultant had some good insurance.
it wasnt exactly a win for Tesco in Stockport, there is a large area of the store fenced off that cannot be used.

anonymous-user

53 months

Monday 6th June 2016
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LeighW said:
gnc said:
has any one seen the horrid glass palaces or corregatted metal sheds on grand designs, how on earth did they get planning permission.
It always amazes me that the more outlandish designs get permission, given how awkward our planners were over petty things when we built ours (a very normal four bed detached). They argued our bricks (regular multi reds) were not uniform enough in colour, so refused them, then that the roof tiles were too large, so refused those too. In the end we compromised - we got the bricks we wanted, and used the tiles they wanted, but it was bloody hard work.
The more 'outlandish' designs typically get accepted due to having outstanding architectural merit or their green credentials or some other aspect that goes beyond just being a building. Sometimes it results in a property that puts the area 'on the map' so to speak, other times it could be because a planning officer wants to make their mark. It can also depend on the area - where I was in Poole, right on the coast, the more progressive architecture always looked right.

These types of building are typically expensive to build - due to complex design features or more exotic materials used - so they are not typically done by the 'man in the street'. This means, rightly or wrongly, that most builds will be fairly traditional in design and material and therefore need to follow the planning guidelines more closely.

robemcdonald

8,716 posts

195 months

Monday 6th June 2016
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It is also extremely unlikely that the house met building regs either (nothing to base this on, but if you don't bother with planning why worry about regs?)
Of the building had been allowed to stay then as others have already said the flood gates would be opened for all sorts of abuse. The planning process is there for a reason and it's a good one. It's quite sad that people that don't get their own way feel the need to suggest that "it's all down to brown envelopes, stuffed with fivers". You can probably use Google to find a couple of example where this is the case, but I bet all those stories are linked to the perpetrator losing their job and or ending up behind bars. The truth is most planners view their jobs as a vocation and are all about making sure things get approved or not for the right reasons.
Many say the planning system should be scrapped. Fair enough, but don't moan when your next door neighbour knocks down his house to build a block of flats.

Murph7355

37,651 posts

255 months

Monday 6th June 2016
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robemcdonald said:
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Many say the planning system should be scrapped. Fair enough, but don't moan when your next door neighbour knocks down his house to build a block of flats.
3cms from your own house with no thought as to parking. And paints it bright pink.

smile