An Englishmans house is his castle.......
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zarjaz1991 said:
Obviously, this only applies to ordinary people. Tesco in Stockport built their store too large for the planning consent they had, but the council let them keep it. If you have enough money in brown envelopes, you're ok.
Not always just to ordinary people - http://www.heart.co.uk/cambridge/news/local/st-neo...I hope the design consultant had some good insurance.
BlackLabel said:
Blimey, I never realised he'd built it between shabby looking huge sheds - visible from the overhead shots. Hardly an area of ONB was it!Whilst he should never had picked a fight with the council, hard to see any common sense in play here at all.
REALIST123 said:
BlackLabel said:
Dear me, it's an affront to the senses inside as well. The sooner it's gone the better IMO. has any one seen the horrid glass palaces or corregatted metal sheds on grand designs, how on earth did they get planning permission. well after 7 years of fighting the planners / planning commitee, with locals / councillor and local mp support. it is obviouse that there is some sort of alternative reasoning. a legal way around is to put forward a exemplary design, that way they can let it through legaly. ( yes i have read the local plan from cover to cover, and an awfull lot more on planning ). brown envelopes arnt subtle enough nowadays.and councils will try to bankrupt you just too prove their might. if you dont believe it google nestwood homes to see their arragance.
gnc said:
has any one seen the horrid glass palaces or corregatted metal sheds on grand designs, how on earth did they get planning permission. well after 7 years of fighting the planners / planning commitee, with locals / councillor and local mp support. it is obviouse that there is some sort of alternative reasoning. a legal way around is to put forward a exemplary design, that way they can let it through legaly. ( yes i have read the local plan from cover to cover, and an awfull lot more on planning ). brown envelopes arnt subtle enough nowadays.and councils will try to bankrupt you just too prove their might. if you dont believe it google nestwood homes to see their arragance.
The Grand Designs ones generally follow the planning process applicable to where they are built. Not all go through with plain sailing. But they follow the process. When they don't, even they have issues and this is when life gets difficult.There are some times in life where following the processes set out, whether they are deemed sensible or not, simply causes you less grief. I'm sure if this chap had followed the processes properly he'd still have a house. It might not have been the one he actually built, but he'd still have one. Compromise obviously isn't something he's prepared to do.
I've had knock backs on planning for what I considered were very sensible applications. I didn't just carry on regardless when they were rejected. I reassessed the situation and compromised (moving house in one example).
Murph7355 said:
gnc said:
has any one seen the horrid glass palaces or corregatted metal sheds on grand designs, how on earth did they get planning permission. well after 7 years of fighting the planners / planning commitee, with locals / councillor and local mp support. it is obviouse that there is some sort of alternative reasoning. a legal way around is to put forward a exemplary design, that way they can let it through legaly. ( yes i have read the local plan from cover to cover, and an awfull lot more on planning ). brown envelopes arnt subtle enough nowadays.and councils will try to bankrupt you just too prove their might. if you dont believe it google nestwood homes to see their arragance.
The Grand Designs ones generally follow the planning process applicable to where they are built. Not all go through with plain sailing. But they follow the process. When they don't, even they have issues and this is when life gets difficult.There are some times in life where following the processes set out, whether they are deemed sensible or not, simply causes you less grief. I'm sure if this chap had followed the processes properly he'd still have a house. It might not have been the one he actually built, but he'd still have one. Compromise obviously isn't something he's prepared to do.
I've had knock backs on planning for what I considered were very sensible applications. I didn't just carry on regardless when they were rejected. I reassessed the situation and compromised (moving house in one example).
gnc said:
has any one seen the horrid glass palaces or corregatted metal sheds on grand designs, how on earth did they get planning permission.
It always amazes me that the more outlandish designs get permission, given how awkward our planners were over petty things when we built ours (a very normal four bed detached). They argued our bricks (regular multi reds) were not uniform enough in colour, so refused them, then that the roof tiles were too large, so refused those too. In the end we compromised - we got the bricks we wanted, and used the tiles they wanted, but it was bloody hard work. lostkiwi said:
REALIST123 said:
BlackLabel said:
Dear me, it's an affront to the senses inside as well. The sooner it's gone the better IMO. PF62 said:
zarjaz1991 said:
Obviously, this only applies to ordinary people. Tesco in Stockport built their store too large for the planning consent they had, but the council let them keep it. If you have enough money in brown envelopes, you're ok.
Not always just to ordinary people - http://www.heart.co.uk/cambridge/news/local/st-neo...I hope the design consultant had some good insurance.
LeighW said:
gnc said:
has any one seen the horrid glass palaces or corregatted metal sheds on grand designs, how on earth did they get planning permission.
It always amazes me that the more outlandish designs get permission, given how awkward our planners were over petty things when we built ours (a very normal four bed detached). They argued our bricks (regular multi reds) were not uniform enough in colour, so refused them, then that the roof tiles were too large, so refused those too. In the end we compromised - we got the bricks we wanted, and used the tiles they wanted, but it was bloody hard work. These types of building are typically expensive to build - due to complex design features or more exotic materials used - so they are not typically done by the 'man in the street'. This means, rightly or wrongly, that most builds will be fairly traditional in design and material and therefore need to follow the planning guidelines more closely.
It is also extremely unlikely that the house met building regs either (nothing to base this on, but if you don't bother with planning why worry about regs?)
Of the building had been allowed to stay then as others have already said the flood gates would be opened for all sorts of abuse. The planning process is there for a reason and it's a good one. It's quite sad that people that don't get their own way feel the need to suggest that "it's all down to brown envelopes, stuffed with fivers". You can probably use Google to find a couple of example where this is the case, but I bet all those stories are linked to the perpetrator losing their job and or ending up behind bars. The truth is most planners view their jobs as a vocation and are all about making sure things get approved or not for the right reasons.
Many say the planning system should be scrapped. Fair enough, but don't moan when your next door neighbour knocks down his house to build a block of flats.
Of the building had been allowed to stay then as others have already said the flood gates would be opened for all sorts of abuse. The planning process is there for a reason and it's a good one. It's quite sad that people that don't get their own way feel the need to suggest that "it's all down to brown envelopes, stuffed with fivers". You can probably use Google to find a couple of example where this is the case, but I bet all those stories are linked to the perpetrator losing their job and or ending up behind bars. The truth is most planners view their jobs as a vocation and are all about making sure things get approved or not for the right reasons.
Many say the planning system should be scrapped. Fair enough, but don't moan when your next door neighbour knocks down his house to build a block of flats.
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