BBC licence fee poll.

Poll: BBC licence fee poll.

Total Members Polled: 1030

I don't pay - I don't watch live TV: 11%
I don't pay - I refuse to fund the BBC: 6%
I pay reluctantly: 43%
I pay willingly: 14%
I pay happily, it's a bargain: 21%
I don't need to pay: 4%
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TTwiggy

11,537 posts

204 months

Friday 28th July 2017
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Cotty said:
TTwiggy said:
£145? How does that compare to a new iPad, a night out in a London pub or a tattoo sleeve?
Why does it have to compare to anything, why can't we just accepts its is a pointless charge that most people don't want to pay. Scrap it, move on.
Because the poster I was replying to had claimed that young people couldn't afford the fee. Please read back before diving in.

Biker 1

7,729 posts

119 months

Friday 28th July 2017
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Boring_Chris said:
I turn officially 'old' this year.

I didn't agree to this!

I don't have a TV licence and I don't use BBC (or any TV) services - this, despite growing up in a very much BBC / TV at the centre of the household environment.

I haven't had any TV services up and running for over 5 years. Visiting someone's house and catching what's on the box... Jesus H Christ - it makes me cringe. The format (game shows, soaps, reality TV etc) is so dated it's painful.
That's exactly my feeling also. I do watch TV, but much of it is on-demand or from other non-BBC providers.
The thing here is choice (or lack of). Criminal activity for not having a license!!!!!!

Cotty

39,537 posts

284 months

Friday 28th July 2017
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An ipad is a one off payment the TV licence is ongoing

Biker 1

7,729 posts

119 months

Friday 28th July 2017
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TTwiggy said:
Cotty said:
TTwiggy said:
£145? How does that compare to a new iPad, a night out in a London pub or a tattoo sleeve?
Why does it have to compare to anything, why can't we just accepts its is a pointless charge that most people don't want to pay. Scrap it, move on.
Because the poster I was replying to had claimed that young people couldn't afford the fee. Please read back before diving in.
Its a question of priorities - ask young people what they think. If you're happy paying, good for you. I'm not, & the PH poll suggests I'm in the majority. The argument for this has been spelled out many times in this thread.

Biker 1

7,729 posts

119 months

Friday 28th July 2017
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chrispmartha said:
BBC radio is fantastic!

As for other countries, I've lived in Australia, now they actually have a state broadcaster of sorts 'ABC' but it's no great shakes, and the less said about the other channels the better, and the radio is just commercial after commercial.
I live in an area with very poor radio reception, both FM & DAB, so have resorted to internet radio. 10,000 + stations, many niche things, lots & lots with no commercials, no talking, no politics, no depressing news, no pop, & no fking Chris Evans!!!!!!
So much nicer to wake up with some alternative stuff from the likes of Soma FM - quality is on a par or exceeds that of FM with much of the content. A real eye (or is that ear?) opener.


TTwiggy

11,537 posts

204 months

Friday 28th July 2017
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Biker 1 said:
Its a question of priorities - ask young people what they think. If you're happy paying, good for you. I'm not, & the PH poll suggests I'm in the majority. The argument for this has been spelled out many times in this thread.
A poll on the NP&E section of PH, where any mention of the BBC has to include the words 'lefties' and 'bias'? Frankly I'm amazed it's not 100% in 'your' favour.

TTwiggy

11,537 posts

204 months

Friday 28th July 2017
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Cotty said:
An ipad is a one off payment the TV licence is ongoing
You clearly don't understand Apple's approach to built-in obsolescence then...

Cotty

39,537 posts

284 months

Friday 28th July 2017
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TTwiggy said:
You clearly don't understand Apple's approach to built-in obsolescence then...
I don't have any experience with it. I only have one Apple product, an Ipod I bought on 21 October 2014 which I still have. I really don't fit into normal pigeon holes paperbag

chrispmartha

15,447 posts

129 months

Friday 28th July 2017
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CrutyRammers said:
chrispmartha said:
Not quite how you are painting it though is it. It's already an outsourced contract which they have cut from 2.3bn to 580 million to save costs, its the outsourced company (ATOS) who are shifting the jobs abroad.
It's not good enough to employ an outsourcing company and then claim that the outsourcing isn't your fault. The BBC know exactly what they are doing. And it's using UK tax money to move jobs abroad. Are you happy with that?
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The BBC has slashed the budget to save costs (something you should be in favour of surely seeing as it's 'your' money?) its up to the privayely owned outsourced company how they deal with that not the BBC.

chrispmartha

15,447 posts

129 months

Friday 28th July 2017
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Biker 1 said:
TTwiggy said:
Cotty said:
TTwiggy said:
£145? How does that compare to a new iPad, a night out in a London pub or a tattoo sleeve?
Why does it have to compare to anything, why can't we just accepts its is a pointless charge that most people don't want to pay. Scrap it, move on.
Because the poster I was replying to had claimed that young people couldn't afford the fee. Please read back before diving in.
Its a question of priorities - ask young people what they think. If you're happy paying, good for you. I'm not, & the PH poll suggests I'm in the majority. The argument for this has been spelled out many times in this thread.
A PH poll, that'll reflect the whole nation :-)

The last poll (non PH) I saw said that 29% of people polled disagreed with the license so according to that you are in a minority

Roofless Toothless

5,662 posts

132 months

Friday 28th July 2017
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Thinking about my previous post this morning about the qualities of the BBC, I realise I forgot to mention the iPlayer and News Services on-line, which I use a lot, and get as part of the package.

And following on from a conversation we were having at home the other day, I watch a lot of CBeebies with my four year old grand daughter. The good that this channel does in introducing youngsters to the concept and acceptability of disability (and come to that varying ethnicity) is inestimable. The BBC has done this for a long time, even when I was watching Blue Peter. I have two other grand daughters, now in their teens, and I visited them recently I saw what they were watching - mainly poor quality cringeworthy imported US shows on Nickelodeon and the like. Not a disability or a black face in sight (except in very questionable 'character' roles). Only very good looking, perfectly presented white all American roll models.

My grand daughter has already learned a lot about life, not to mention her numbers, letters and good use of language from CBeebies, funded, of course, from the licence fee.

mickmcpaddy

1,445 posts

105 months

Friday 28th July 2017
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Roofless Toothless said:
Thinking about my previous post this morning about the qualities of the BBC, I realise I forgot to mention the iPlayer and News Services on-line, which I use a lot, and get as part of the package.

And following on from a conversation we were having at home the other day, I watch a lot of CBeebies with my four year old grand daughter. The good that this channel does in introducing youngsters to the concept and acceptability of disability (and come to that varying ethnicity) is inestimable. The BBC has done this for a long time, even when I was watching Blue Peter. I have two other grand daughters, now in their teens, and I visited them recently I saw what they were watching - mainly poor quality cringeworthy imported US shows on Nickelodeon and the like. Not a disability or a black face in sight (except in very questionable 'character' roles). Only very good looking, perfectly presented white all American roll models.

My grand daughter has already learned a lot about life, not to mention her numbers, letters and good use of language from CBeebies, funded, of course, from the licence fee.
Sounds like something Diane Abbot would come out with.

mickmcpaddy

1,445 posts

105 months

Friday 28th July 2017
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TTwiggy said:
£145? How does that compare to a new iPad, a night out in a London pub or a tattoo sleeve?

Assuming they have internet access at home (likely!) BT are taking more money off them just to supply a landline.
Well if they've bought an ipad and a tattoo sleeve then there certainly wont be any money left for the BBC, or are you suggesting thaqt they don't buy what they want and pay for something they don't want or need instead so strangers can carry on watching it.

Roofless Toothless

5,662 posts

132 months

Friday 28th July 2017
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mickmcpaddy said:
Roofless Toothless said:
Thinking about my previous post this morning about the qualities of the BBC, I realise I forgot to mention the iPlayer and News Services on-line, which I use a lot, and get as part of the package.

And following on from a conversation we were having at home the other day, I watch a lot of CBeebies with my four year old grand daughter. The good that this channel does in introducing youngsters to the concept and acceptability of disability (and come to that varying ethnicity) is inestimable. The BBC has done this for a long time, even when I was watching Blue Peter. I have two other grand daughters, now in their teens, and I visited them recently I saw what they were watching - mainly poor quality cringeworthy imported US shows on Nickelodeon and the like. Not a disability or a black face in sight (except in very questionable 'character' roles). Only very good looking, perfectly presented white all American roll models.

My grand daughter has already learned a lot about life, not to mention her numbers, letters and good use of language from CBeebies, funded, of course, from the licence fee.
Sounds like something Diane Abbot would come out with.
rofl

Biker 1

7,729 posts

119 months

Friday 28th July 2017
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mickmcpaddy said:
Sounds like something Diane Abbot would come out with.
biggrinhehehehe

Methinks this thread is not really going anywhere. Perhaps time to put it out to pasture.....

TTwiggy

11,537 posts

204 months

Friday 28th July 2017
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mickmcpaddy said:
TTwiggy said:
£145? How does that compare to a new iPad, a night out in a London pub or a tattoo sleeve?

Assuming they have internet access at home (likely!) BT are taking more money off them just to supply a landline.
Well if they've bought an ipad and a tattoo sleeve then there certainly wont be any money left for the BBC, or are you suggesting thaqt they don't buy what they want and pay for something they don't want or need instead so strangers can carry on watching it.
Personally I'm just intrigued at this assertion that 'young' people are switching off from the BBC. I work in a TV-related industry and this is news to me.

Nothingtoseehere

7,379 posts

154 months

Friday 28th July 2017
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TTwiggy said:
Personally I'm just intrigued at this assertion that 'young' people are switching off from the BBC. I work in a TV-related industry and this is news to me.
But you've never been in touch with the real world.

TTwiggy

11,537 posts

204 months

Friday 28th July 2017
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Nothingtoseehere said:
TTwiggy said:
Personally I'm just intrigued at this assertion that 'young' people are switching off from the BBC. I work in a TV-related industry and this is news to me.
But you've never been in touch with the real world.
What the hell do you mean by this?



Nothingtoseehere

7,379 posts

154 months

Friday 28th July 2017
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TTwiggy said:
What the hell do you mean by this?
Well you're always at odds with general opinion.
Young 'uns today couldn't give a toss about the bbc,if it was blocked tomorrow,I doubt most under twenties would even notice.

TTwiggy

11,537 posts

204 months

Friday 28th July 2017
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Nothingtoseehere said:
TTwiggy said:
What the hell do you mean by this?
Well you're always at odds with general opinion.
Young 'uns today couldn't give a toss about the bbc,if it was blocked tomorrow,I doubt most under twenties would even notice.
What general opinion? Do you mean yours?

What evidence do you have that young people are not watching the BBC?