BBC licence fee poll.

[IanH755]

I'm mostly concerned with getting "good value for money" when my license fee is, in part, being used to pay for these quite high wages.

So for example, is paying Gary Lineker £1.8 Million really the best value for money considering the limited role he performs for the BBC when someone like Clare Balding presents a much wider variety of sports yet is paid less than 10% of Garys wage (as she isn't on the £150k+ list)?

As the BBC is using our money (along with it's own earnings) to pay for these wages then I feel it's right that we are allowed to see what is being paid and see the justification given too.

[anonymous-user]

Digga said:

La Liga said:

AJL308 said:

The BBC is either state run or it is commercial. It can't be both at the same time.

Does that view mean BBC Worldwide should be scrapped?

How and when was it declared sacred?

As others say, back in the days when aunty had a job to do WRT to the national importance of propaganda and public service broadcasting, there was an actual point. Those days are gone, never to return.

How was what declared scared? BBC Wordwide? Which I'm mentioning to challenge a binary view about state / commercial. Or are you asking a question to something I've not written?

[CrutyRammers]

C70R said:

I'm actually struggling to understand how someone can go an entire year without watching a BBC TV channel, listening to a BBC radio station or using iPlayer.

I'm not a particularly heavy TV viewer (probably 6-7hrs a week), but even I can see the value in the little exposure I get. I appreciate TV/radio being made without commercial purposes in mind, and being delivered without 20min of adverts per hour.
I get my news from other sources, so I don't really see any great political bias.
As such, I'm happy to spend a tenner a month (what else is that going to buy me?) on a licence.

I'm preparing myself for a barrage of "I don't even own a TV, mate" and "nobody watches TV any more, mate" responses from the usual contrarian PH massive.

Just another "I think it's good, so everyone should have to pay for it" argument.

[turbobloke]

CrutyRammers said:

C70R said:

I'm actually struggling to understand how someone can go an entire year without watching a BBC TV channel, listening to a BBC radio station or using iPlayer.

I'm not a particularly heavy TV viewer (probably 6-7hrs a week), but even I can see the value in the little exposure I get. I appreciate TV/radio being made without commercial purposes in mind, and being delivered without 20min of adverts per hour.
I get my news from other sources, so I don't really see any great political bias.
As such, I'm happy to spend a tenner a month (what else is that going to buy me?) on a licence.

I'm preparing myself for a barrage of "I don't even own a TV, mate" and "nobody watches TV any more, mate" responses from the usual contrarian PH massive.

Just another "I think it's good, so everyone should have to pay for it" argument.

Yes same old.

It's easy not to watch or listen to BBC propaganda by choice.

Sometimes it's inevitable (reception areas, lobbies, other public spaces) at which point it's a reminder why not watching their continually partisan output is easy.

[austinsmirk]

I too never believe people when they say they don't use the BBC: what, you never turn the radio on in your car ? never read BBC news on line, never on any occasion use the I player or even have a watch of some sporting event/news event ???

You could turn off vast amounts of cable TV, ITV and CH5 and lets be honest, it would be for the better, such is their dire content and output.

[jjlynn27]

CrutyRammers said:

C70R said:

I'm actually struggling to understand how someone can go an entire year without watching a BBC TV channel, listening to a BBC radio station or using iPlayer.

I'm not a particularly heavy TV viewer (probably 6-7hrs a week), but even I can see the value in the little exposure I get. I appreciate TV/radio being made without commercial purposes in mind, and being delivered without 20min of adverts per hour.
I get my news from other sources, so I don't really see any great political bias.
As such, I'm happy to spend a tenner a month (what else is that going to buy me?) on a licence.

I'm preparing myself for a barrage of "I don't even own a TV, mate" and "nobody watches TV any more, mate" responses from the usual contrarian PH massive.

Just another "I think it's good, so everyone should have to pay for it" argument.

You'd have to be particularly thick to get that from his post. He says that he's happy to pay, he didn't ask you to pay, did he?

[turbobloke]

austinsmirk said:

I too never believe people when they say they don't use the BBC: what, you never turn the radio on in your car ?

For my part the situation as exactly as per my post - it's easy not to listen to the BBC's output by choice. That's my position and it's an accurate description of how I don't watch or listen to the BBC's biased output by choice. Your belief or otherwise changes nothing.

My radios at home and in the car aren't tuned to BBC stations so that helps.

As also mentioned previously, it's possible to watch or listen where there's no choice, in public places and friends' cars when given a lift, but then that's not "by (my) choice" as the choice is somebody else's.

[Cotty]

austinsmirk said:

I too never believe people when they say they don't use the BBC: what, you never turn the radio on in your car ? never read BBC news on line, never on any occasion use the I player or even have a watch of some sporting event/news event ???

I have never really listened to the radio, I dislike the talking, adverts, repetition etc. I have Capital on a radio alarm clock in the morning but that is it. I once used iplayer years ago never again. Not interested in football, rugby etc.

[turbobloke]

jjlynn27 said:

CrutyRammers said:

C70R said:

I'm actually struggling to understand how someone can go an entire year without watching a BBC TV channel, listening to a BBC radio station or using iPlayer.

I'm not a particularly heavy TV viewer (probably 6-7hrs a week), but even I can see the value in the little exposure I get. I appreciate TV/radio being made without commercial purposes in mind, and being delivered without 20min of adverts per hour.
I get my news from other sources, so I don't really see any great political bias.
As such, I'm happy to spend a tenner a month (what else is that going to buy me?) on a licence.

I'm preparing myself for a barrage of "I don't even own a TV, mate" and "nobody watches TV any more, mate" responses from the usual contrarian PH massive.

Just another "I think it's good, so everyone should have to pay for it" argument.

You'd have to be particularly thick to get that from his post.

No you wouldn't but you'd have to be particularly abrasive / confrontational / plain rude to respond as per that ^ response ("particularly thick") not unexpected though.

[Cotty]

jjlynn27 said:

You don't have to have the license. A lot of people don't.

tvlicensing said:

You don’t need a TV Licence if you:

• never watch or record programmes on any channel as they’re being shown on TV or live on an online TV service, and
• never download or watch BBC programmes on iPlayer – live, catch up or on demand.

That's the law as it stands. So no, you don't need to spend the money on 'the license that you don't need'.

I think there is another one. Now that Amazon have released Amazon Channels you need a licence if you watch them live
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/consumer-affairs/...

[anonymous-user]

turbobloke said:

austinsmirk said:

I too never believe people when they say they don't use the BBC: what, you never turn the radio on in your car ?

For my part the situation as exactly as per my post - it's easy not to listen to the BBC's output by choice. That's my position and it's an accurate description of how I don't watch or listen to the BBC's biased output by choice. Your belief or otherwise changes nothing.

My radios at home and in the car aren't tuned to BBC stations so that helps.

As also mentioned previously, it's possible to watch or listen where there's no choice, in public places and friends' cars when given a lift, but then that's not "by (my) choice" as the choice is somebody else's.

You sound a little too intensely involved.

If the BBC produces an excellent Attenborough documentary,, do you deliberately avoid it, just because it's the BBC whom have produced it?

"Damn you lefty Penguins!"

[TTwiggy]

La Liga said:

turbobloke said:

austinsmirk said:

I too never believe people when they say they don't use the BBC: what, you never turn the radio on in your car ?

For my part the situation as exactly as per my post - it's easy not to listen to the BBC's output by choice. That's my position and it's an accurate description of how I don't watch or listen to the BBC's biased output by choice. Your belief or otherwise changes nothing.

My radios at home and in the car aren't tuned to BBC stations so that helps.

As also mentioned previously, it's possible to watch or listen where there's no choice, in public places and friends' cars when given a lift, but then that's not "by (my) choice" as the choice is somebody else's.

You sound a little too intensely involved.

If the BBC produces an excellent Attenborough documentary,, do you deliberately avoid it, just because it's the BBC whom have produced it?

"Damn you lefty Penguins!"

It's also impressive that he knows the BBC is lefty-biased despite never watching it.

[qube_TA]

La Liga said:

It's like some pseudo adult-cool to dislike the BBC. A bit like not wanting to be seen being dropped off by your parents at school. Combine that with individuals thinking they're being clever and astute with simplistic generalisations about the BBC's apparent political leanings, and that completes the miserable moaner.

The BBC produces some superb content and I think anyone who can't find a TV licence fee worth of content is rather uncreative.

Commercial independence in today's media environment is a highly valuable asset.

Not really, the issue people have with the BBC has nothing to do with its content, what it pays its staff or whether or not the license fee represents good value, it's simply because it's a mandatory license that you have to pay whether you're 'creative' or not.

[TTwiggy]

qube_TA said:

Not really, the issue people have with the BBC has nothing to do with its content, what it pays its staff or whether or not the license fee represents good value, it's simply because it's a mandatory license that you have to pay whether you're 'creative' or not.

Almost every country in the developed world charges a TV/Radio licence fee. Licences are mandatory for other things too.

[anonymous-user]

qube_TA said:

La Liga said:

It's like some pseudo adult-cool to dislike the BBC. A bit like not wanting to be seen being dropped off by your parents at school. Combine that with individuals thinking they're being clever and astute with simplistic generalisations about the BBC's apparent political leanings, and that completes the miserable moaner.

The BBC produces some superb content and I think anyone who can't find a TV licence fee worth of content is rather uncreative.

Commercial independence in today's media environment is a highly valuable asset.

Not really, the issue people have with the BBC has nothing to do with its content, what it pays its staff or whether or not the license fee represents good value, it's simply because it's a mandatory license that you have to pay whether you're 'creative' or not.

Some people do and that's a valid point of view.

I was aiming at people who slag it off because others do and claim an apparent political bias without any real reason to.

[chrispmartha]

turbobloke said:

austinsmirk said:

I too never believe people when they say they don't use the BBC: what, you never turn the radio on in your car ?

For my part the situation as exactly as per my post - it's easy not to listen to the BBC's output by choice. That's my position and it's an accurate description of how I don't watch or listen to the BBC's biased output by choice. Your belief or otherwise changes nothing.

My radios at home and in the car aren't tuned to BBC stations so that helps.

As also mentioned previously, it's possible to watch or listen where there's no choice, in public places and friends' cars when given a lift, but then that's not "by (my) choice" as the choice is somebody else's.

The BBC's biased output? I presume you refer to the news output? Which is only a fraction of what they produce, i fail to see how Planet Earth or Mr Tumble has a particular political leaning.

[ATG]

turbobloke said:

austinsmirk said:

I too never believe people when they say they don't use the BBC: what, you never turn the radio on in your car ?

For my part the situation as exactly as per my post - it's easy not to listen to the BBC's output by choice. That's my position and it's an accurate description of how I don't watch or listen to the BBC's biased output by choice. Your belief or otherwise changes nothing.

My radios at home and in the car aren't tuned to BBC stations so that helps.

As also mentioned previously, it's possible to watch or listen where there's no choice, in public places and friends' cars when given a lift, but then that's not "by (my) choice" as the choice is somebody else's.

So you're confident that the thing you never watch or listen to is politically biased? That makes prefect sense. Carry on!

[Cotty]

ATG said:

So you're confident that the thing you never watch or listen to is politically biased? That makes prefect sense. Carry on!

I am assuming that turbobloke watched the BBC up to the point were he made the decision to stop watching it and therefore had an opinion at that time as to whether it was bias.

[Randy Winkman]

Cotty said:

ATG said:

So you're confident that the thing you never watch or listen to is politically biased? That makes prefect sense. Carry on!

I am assuming that turbobloke watched the BBC up to the point were he made the decision to stop watching it and therefore had an opinion at that time as to whether it was bias.

Plus the fact that his wife passes on information on what shes sees.

[TTwiggy]

Cotty said:

I am assuming that turbobloke watched the BBC up to the point were he made the decision to stop watching it and therefore had an opinion at that time as to whether it was bias.

And then used the spare time he was left with to post at length about it on here.