Girl duped by man who was actually a woman..
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Ructions said:
A woman who pretended to be a man to dupe her female friend into sex has been sentenced to six and a half years in prison following a retrial.
Gayle Newland, 27, was convicted in September 2015 and sentenced to eight years, only to be freed on appeal last autumn.
A jury found her guilty of three counts of sexual assault by penetration at a retrial at Manchester crown court last month.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/jul/20/ga...
I wonder how the legal system works at times.Gayle Newland, 27, was convicted in September 2015 and sentenced to eight years, only to be freed on appeal last autumn.
A jury found her guilty of three counts of sexual assault by penetration at a retrial at Manchester crown court last month.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/jul/20/ga...
She gets eight years, and is freed a year later on appeal.
Goes back to court and gets six and a half years.
Ructions said:
A woman who pretended to be a man to dupe her female friend into sex has been sentenced to six and a half years in prison following a retrial.
Gayle Newland, 27, was convicted in September 2015 and sentenced to eight years, only to be freed on appeal last autumn.
A jury found her guilty of three counts of sexual assault by penetration at a retrial at Manchester crown court last month.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/jul/20/ga...
As an aside, this makes Rape a very sexist definition of a crime in todays PC society.Gayle Newland, 27, was convicted in September 2015 and sentenced to eight years, only to be freed on appeal last autumn.
A jury found her guilty of three counts of sexual assault by penetration at a retrial at Manchester crown court last month.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/jul/20/ga...
PurpleMoonlight said:
It seems very harsh considering the victim was a willing participant at the time.
Odd definition of willing participant... she was a willing participant in something else, a thing that wasn't the thing that was actually happening. By your definition anyone who's ever been scammed is a "willing participant",Would the outcome have been different if Newland genuinely identified as a man, rather than impersonating one for a few hours every now and then for sexual purposes?
After all there seems to be a belief that we are all entitled to identify with an inner gender, not defined by body parts.
Six and a half years is obviously better than eight, but still seems a lot. I accept the victim may have been traumatised but that doesn't seem to have been the intent, or to have been an obvious outcome in the way that trauma following rape is.
After all there seems to be a belief that we are all entitled to identify with an inner gender, not defined by body parts.
Six and a half years is obviously better than eight, but still seems a lot. I accept the victim may have been traumatised but that doesn't seem to have been the intent, or to have been an obvious outcome in the way that trauma following rape is.
It does seem harsh, but this is nothing to do with how the perpetrator identified herself generally, but how she presented herself to the victim. She presented herself falsely and if the victim had known the truth consent would have been withdrawn. It is therefore a question of consent or lack thereof.
Zod said:
She presented herself falsely and if the victim had known the truth consent would have been withdrawn. It is therefore a question of consent or lack thereof.
I'm not sure I would have previously considered this kind of interpretation of identity with regards to consent criminal, there must be some point where this came into law? In light of this I could see more regular cases of false identity that could be considered criminal as well.I saw this the other day, MP's being urged to pass a law against so called "catfishing", seems to be pretty much the same issue...
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/cat...
Zod said:
It does seem harsh, but this is nothing to do with how the perpetrator identified herself generally, but how she presented herself to the victim. She presented herself falsely and if the victim had known the truth consent would have been withdrawn. It is therefore a question of consent or lack thereof.
This is of course true in this case. I was speculating about whether it would have made a difference had the circumstances been different- ie had she permanently identified as a man. In which case we would be saying 'he', and arguably there would have been no deceit in presenting to the 'victim' as a man, because it would be a sincerely held belief. Or indeed, a fact.Really hard for the law to keep up with this sort of stuff!
Sexual offences can be very difficult to prosecute and sometimes the decision reached by the jury seems to ignore the possibility that logic departs when the hairy brain or fake hairy brain enters the arena and people can't be expected to be rational over the emotional. Personally I find it hard to believe that the victim here didn't at least suspect the truth, but the jury have made a judgement.
Meanwhile here in Telford, one of the paedophiles who targeted vulnerable girls, got 22 years and will be out in just over 5 years.
Our MP Lucy Allan has asked about it at PMQ's and our local Labour council continue to ignore it. The victim was a child.
Meanwhile here in Telford, one of the paedophiles who targeted vulnerable girls, got 22 years and will be out in just over 5 years.
Our MP Lucy Allan has asked about it at PMQ's and our local Labour council continue to ignore it. The victim was a child.
brenflys777 said:
Sexual offences can be very difficult to prosecute and sometimes the decision reached by the jury seems to ignore the possibility that logic departs when the hairy brain or fake hairy brain enters the arena and people can't be expected to be rational over the emotional. Personally I find it hard to believe that the victim here didn't at least suspect the truth, but the jury have made a judgement.
Meanwhile here in Telford, one of the paedophiles who targeted vulnerable girls, got 22 years and will be out in just over 5 years.
Our MP Lucy Allan has asked about it at PMQ's and our local Labour council continue to ignore it. The victim was a child.
Genuine question here what is he council able or expected to do ?Meanwhile here in Telford, one of the paedophiles who targeted vulnerable girls, got 22 years and will be out in just over 5 years.
Our MP Lucy Allan has asked about it at PMQ's and our local Labour council continue to ignore it. The victim was a child.
I would think any alterations to sentences are due to appeal courts etc
techiedave said:
Genuine question here what is he council able or expected to do ?
I would think any alterations to sentences are due to appeal courts etc
I appreciate that local council's abilities and our expectations are unlikely to be closely related, however, the local council seem to be keen on letting this incident/conviction disappear into the ether. The LA have been unwilling to have an enquiry into who knew what and when about the recent convictions, however the local MP has been more forthright.I would think any alterations to sentences are due to appeal courts etc
mx-6 said:
I saw this the other day, MP's being urged to pass a law against so called "catfishing", seems to be pretty much the same issue...
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/cat...
The article seems to be very much written from the "man perp - woman victim" point of view. But are they seriously suggesting this sort of thing doesn't happen the other way around.http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/cat...
Do women not lie or artificially enhance their 'assets' in order to hook a guy?
The examples given are also ridiculous? The male model who had his identity 'stolen' by somebody catfishing. Would it not become obvious that was the case at the first face to face meeting? Who are the women who are so gullible they would still sleep with a guy despite it being immediately obvious he wasn't the person portrayed in the online dating profile?
Edited by Moonhawk on Saturday 22 July 20:36
Another one of these bizarre cases.....
"A man who tricked four men into having sex with him by pretending to be a woman online has been convicted.
Duarte Xavier, 33, posed as "Ana", sent the men explicit photos and videos of women he claimed to be, and encouraged his victims to meet him blindfolded.
The men became suspicious while having sex with Xavier and made off."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-45760...
"A man who tricked four men into having sex with him by pretending to be a woman online has been convicted.
Duarte Xavier, 33, posed as "Ana", sent the men explicit photos and videos of women he claimed to be, and encouraged his victims to meet him blindfolded.
The men became suspicious while having sex with Xavier and made off."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-45760...
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