Meanwhile in Poland
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REALIST123 said:
How many of those states in which optimism is rising are net contributors to the EU budget? Conversely, how many are receiving aid, for want of a better word, from the EU?
Interestingly, looks like there is no correlation between receiving aid (don't think the word is that bad) from the EU and optimism towards it. Don't feel like digging out the numbers from 2016 to make a full list, but for countries named in the article: France, Denmark, Austria and Italy are net contributors. Germany and the Netherlands (highest contributors depending on metrics) are as well and so are the most optimistic, the Irish.
On the pessimistic side, one can also see both cases: UK obviously -- pessimistic and paying in, but also pessimistic Greece that gets a lot of EU money.
Welcome to Independence day celebrations in Poland.
Tens of thousands of nationalist demonstrators marched through Warsaw at the weekend to mark Poland’s independence day, throwing red-smoke bombs and carrying banners with slogans such as “white Europe of brotherly nations”. Police estimated 60,000 people took part in Saturday’s event, in what experts say was one of the biggest gathering of far-right activists in Europe in recent years. Demonstrators with faces covered chanted “Pure Poland, white Poland!” and “Refugees get out!”. A banner hung over a bridge that read: “Pray for Islamic Holocaust.”
Tens of thousands of nationalist demonstrators marched through Warsaw at the weekend to mark Poland’s independence day, throwing red-smoke bombs and carrying banners with slogans such as “white Europe of brotherly nations”. Police estimated 60,000 people took part in Saturday’s event, in what experts say was one of the biggest gathering of far-right activists in Europe in recent years. Demonstrators with faces covered chanted “Pure Poland, white Poland!” and “Refugees get out!”. A banner hung over a bridge that read: “Pray for Islamic Holocaust.”
Edited by BlackLabel on Sunday 12th November 21:24
BlackLabel said:
And nobody was surprised to see "British patriot" Tommy Robinson decide to spend Remembrance Sunday hanging out with these guys.BlackLabel said:
Welcome to Independence day celebrations in Poland.
Tens of thousands of nationalist demonstrators marched through Warsaw at the weekend to mark Poland’s independence day, throwing red-smoke bombs and carrying banners with slogans such as “white Europe of brotherly nations”. Police estimated 60,000 people took part in Saturday’s event, in what experts say was one of the biggest gathering of far-right activists in Europe in recent years. Demonstrators with faces covered chanted “Pure Poland, white Poland!” and “Refugees get out!”. A banner hung over a bridge that read: “Pray for Islamic Holocaust.”
Tens of thousands of nationalist demonstrators marched through Warsaw at the weekend to mark Poland’s independence day, throwing red-smoke bombs and carrying banners with slogans such as “white Europe of brotherly nations”. Police estimated 60,000 people took part in Saturday’s event, in what experts say was one of the biggest gathering of far-right activists in Europe in recent years. Demonstrators with faces covered chanted “Pure Poland, white Poland!” and “Refugees get out!”. A banner hung over a bridge that read: “Pray for Islamic Holocaust.”
Edited by BlackLabel on Sunday 12th November 21:24
BlackLabel said:
In the last photo, I am somehow failing to see the "faces covered" in the crowd.It is easy enough to find a photo of someone looking angry when they are speaking passionately. It does look unpleasant but we have no idea what he was actually saying at the time.
The first photo is clearly enhanced in an attempt to emphasise a similarity between this march and image we have of the Nazi Nuremberg rallies.
Another image from the day. One you are unlikely to see printed in the left leaning press.
East European countries and Russia have a general distrust of non-Europeans in my experience, both from visiting and from long conversations with friends and acquaintances from Russia, Czech Republic, Poland, Romania.
As said above, they don't like the look of how things appear to be working out in the west, yet those that reside here accept the way things are and don't try to change them.
Finding a comfortable balance between the extremes of the far right/fascism and the far left/Marxism is not going to be easy for any country that has a recent memory of the cruelty and oppression suffered under both of these extremes.
There are likely to be knee jerk reactions to seeing similarities with either of those ideologies.
Goaty Bill 2 said:
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It is easy enough to find a photo of someone looking angry when they are speaking passionately. It does look unpleasant but we have no idea what he was actually saying at the time.
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Somehow I doubt that it was "Hey, let's all just live together as friends!" Chinny reckon? It is easy enough to find a photo of someone looking angry when they are speaking passionately. It does look unpleasant but we have no idea what he was actually saying at the time.
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Much gloom amongst my Polish friends on seeing these images. Their parents, uncles, aunts and so on fought the Nazis and put up with the Communists, often at great personal cost, so it grieves them to see Poland going this way.
I was there on Saturday as a spectator and watched the march. There is some slightly disingenuous reporting going on claiming it was 60,000 nazis marching through Warsaw. It was more like 1-2000 that actually where exhibiting neo-nazi and white power symbols. The problem is that that is 1-2000 too many people and the fact that the organisers turn a blind eye and seem to welcome them.
Poland is in a very similar situation to the US with Trump in that most educated wealthy people living in the larger cities are completely out of touch with your average poor rural Pole who laps up the populist right-wing rhetoric of the current party.
Poland is in a very similar situation to the US with Trump in that most educated wealthy people living in the larger cities are completely out of touch with your average poor rural Pole who laps up the populist right-wing rhetoric of the current party.
mx5nut said:
BlackLabel said:
And nobody was surprised to see "British patriot" Tommy Robinson decide to spend Remembrance Sunday hanging out with these guys.
Later on things kicked off a bit . [EDIT: Not this year - old link]
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-poland-national...
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-poland-national...
Edited by anonymous-user on Monday 13th November 14:57
del mar said:
I don't see why this is deemed a bad thing, providing it stays as a political movement not a violent one.
We have proven;
Their are no benefits to Multi Culturalism
Non EU Migration appears to have cost us an absolute fortune, both financially and socially.
Can you post this proof?We have proven;
Their are no benefits to Multi Culturalism
Non EU Migration appears to have cost us an absolute fortune, both financially and socially.
del mar said:
I don't see why this is deemed a bad thing, providing it stays as a political movement not a violent one.
We have proven;
Their are no benefits to Multi Culturalism
Non EU Migration appears to have cost us an absolute fortune, both financially and socially.
I think you are being far too general here. There are a number of non-EU migrant communities, and individuals, that are doing very well indeed. I suggest you educate yourself further on the issue.We have proven;
Their are no benefits to Multi Culturalism
Non EU Migration appears to have cost us an absolute fortune, both financially and socially.
One obvious example is the so called "Ugandan Asians" expelled from Uganda and taken in here.
One thing I do agree on is that Multi Culturalism is usually the wrong approach. The successful immigrant nation is one that takes a "melting pot approach"
Edited by JagLover on Monday 13th November 15:00
Breadvan72 said:
Have you got the correct link. That news report is from 2013.del mar said:
I don't see why this is deemed a bad thing, providing it stays as a political movement not a violent one.
We have proven;
Their are no benefits to Multi Culturalism
Non EU Migration appears to have cost us an absolute fortune, both financially and socially.
I blame "Multi Culturalism" for your inability to figure the difference between 'their' and 'there'.We have proven;
Their are no benefits to Multi Culturalism
Non EU Migration appears to have cost us an absolute fortune, both financially and socially.
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