Can we talk about Germany for a bit?

Can we talk about Germany for a bit?

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bigkeeko

1,370 posts

142 months

Monday 20th November 2017
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del mar said:
Interesting that Merkel has limited the number of Refugees to 200,000.
Hans! Bring den Flammenwerfer!

anonymous-user

53 months

Monday 20th November 2017
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Well that's all gone Pete Tongue, the FDP walked out.

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/11/19/german-coalition-t...

"Today there was no progress but rather there were setbacks because targeted compromises were questioned," FDP leader Christian Lindner told reporters. "It is better not to rule than to rule falsely. Goodbye!"

JagLover

42,262 posts

234 months

Monday 20th November 2017
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jsf said:
Well that's all gone Pete Tongue, the FDP walked out.

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/11/19/german-coalition-t...

"Today there was no progress but rather there were setbacks because targeted compromises were questioned," FDP leader Christian Lindner told reporters. "It is better not to rule than to rule falsely. Goodbye!"
Well that does seem a bit odd.

i thought the main point of contention was the green's plan to let the massive numbers admitted by Merkel then bring in family members, but that doesn't seem to have been an issue for the FDP.

They talk of a "lack of trust" and perhaps Merkel was concentrating so much on getting the Greens onside that she went back on some commitments to them.

http://www.france24.com/en/20171120-german-coaliti...

If she hadnt of split the right wing vote then she could have formed a government with the FDP long ago. It is what happens when you don't have proper conservatives in charge of centre right parties.

BlackLabel

13,251 posts

122 months

Monday 20th November 2017
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A few months ago Merkel was being touted, by her admirers, as the new leader of the free world. Now, 2 months on from the election, she still can’t form a government. Sad!

hyphen

26,262 posts

89 months

Monday 20th November 2017
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Apparently she did the same thing she insists on with EU discussions, set a deadline and exhaust all parties into giving in by locking everyone in a room all night(s).

Except that this time they didn't as unlike the EU. Wonder what will happen now, more elections, a minority government?

Merkel let power get to her head, she decided to open the doors without asking the people what they wanted, I wonder if she will survive this.

Edited by hyphen on Monday 20th November 08:50

XslaneyX

1,334 posts

141 months

Monday 20th November 2017
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bigkeeko said:
Hans! Bring den Flammenwerfer!


hehe

johnxjsc1985

15,948 posts

163 months

Monday 20th November 2017
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XslaneyX said:
bigkeeko said:
Hans! Bring den Flammenwerfer!


hehe
No no anything but the Flammenwerfer.
Interesting to see what happens next in Germany.

anonymous-user

53 months

Monday 20th November 2017
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Well she has to have a chat with the president (who knew there was one?) today, he will decide what the next step is.

The options are try and continue as a minority government, try for another coalition or go back to the polls.

One left field option is Merkel steps down and an SPD led coalition under Shultz is formed. SPD have said no to a coalition, but if Merkel goes and the SPD leader is put in place, they might go for that. The President is the former SPD leader.


Halb

53,012 posts

182 months

Monday 20th November 2017
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Yipper said:
It is defo in permanent chaos.

From bailing out bankrupt nations to countries leaving to independence fragmentation to shaky coalitions, the EU spends most of its time fighting fires or desperately trying to hold together the patchwork quilt.
It was too much, too quick.

jjohnson23

698 posts

112 months

Monday 20th November 2017
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One thing will be interesting for sure,the struggle to stay the leader of her party.
I can see her selling out everything to make sure of it.
Going to be an interesting next few months.

hyphen

26,262 posts

89 months

Monday 20th November 2017
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Been reading up on the background to all this.

FDP were previously in coalition with Merkel, however they failed to meet their goals and achieve anything whilst working with her and so they ended up in the wilderness for a few years, like our dearest Libdems are now laugh

So that is what is shaping the FDP mindset, having been burn by co-operating with Merkel once and managing to regain voters trust, they are no longer happy to get into power at any cost.

eharding

13,594 posts

283 months

Monday 20th November 2017
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jsf said:
Well that's all gone Pete Tongue
What, as in "gone wrung?"

I'm losing track of contemporary rhyming slang, I have to say.

Escapegoat

5,135 posts

134 months

Monday 20th November 2017
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eharding said:
jsf said:
Well that's all gone Pete Tongue
What, as in "gone wrung?"

I'm losing track of contemporary rhyming slang, I have to say.
You are right. But it doesn't help when his autocorrect has added the "ue" and ruined the ryme.

Plus it's not exactly 'contemporary'. Grandad. wink

eharding

13,594 posts

283 months

Monday 20th November 2017
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Escapegoat said:
....and ruined the ryme.
What's water got to do with it....junior? hehe

hyphen

26,262 posts

89 months

Monday 20th November 2017
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eharding said:
jsf said:
Well that's all gone Pete Tongue
What, as in "gone wrung?"

I'm losing track of contemporary rhyming slang, I have to say.
laugh

Escapegoat

5,135 posts

134 months

Monday 20th November 2017
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eharding said:
What's water got to do with it....junior? hehe
Pesky keyboard! smile

del mar

2,838 posts

198 months

Monday 20th November 2017
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There are rules to be followed when it comes to allowing the Families of Refugees, to join the sponsor.

https://ec.europa.eu/home-affairs/what-we-do/polic...

This being one of the stumbling blocks on talks.

She brought them in, she cant now shirk her responsibilities, it is almost as if she realises she made a huge mistake.....

What happened to "Islam is Germany" and "Refugees Welcome" ?


anonymous-user

53 months

Monday 20th November 2017
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The President has told her to go back to the table and try to talk again.

Kawasicki

13,041 posts

234 months

Monday 20th November 2017
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del mar said:
it is almost as if she realises she made a huge mistake.....
She can't possibly know how big the mistake is, there are no reliable records of how many arrived or are still arriving.

Hayek

8,969 posts

207 months

Monday 20th November 2017
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jsf said:
200,000 refugees is an enormous number to take annually. That's not 200k immigrants, that's refugees.

By comparison, in 2016 the UK received 30,603 applications and granted 8,466 https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/immigra...
I'm surprised anyone is still trying to assert that these people are even mostly refugees.