Can we talk about Germany for a bit?

[wc98]

jjlynn27 said:

What would your personal reaction be to having your elderly incapacitated father raped and your elderly mother murdered by german national, brit expat or italian tourist?

You are as hard as nails, aren't you?

the point being somali immigrant crime stats are way,way above those of the indigenous population wherever they go. this particular somali should have been sent back to the utter scum filled stehole he came from, long before he raped and murdered .

as it appears people can only ask questions, not answer them, i will ask you the same .what would your personal reaction be ? you are as soft as ste ,aren't you

[wc98]

jjlynn27 said:

Vetting of refugees is done when they enter AFAIK. He was already in Germany, so unless you advocate check and recheck of refugees all the time, how do you 'spot the Herman'?

i ,and i imagine most other people have no problem with genuine refugees . he was an economic migrant from somalia . he should never have been there. no doubt entered illegally masquerading as a syrian refugee .

[jjlynn27]

wc98 said:

the point being somali immigrant crime stats are way,way above those of the indigenous population wherever they go. this particular somali should have been sent back to the utter scum filled stehole he came from, long before he raped and murdered .

as it appears people can only ask questions, not answer them, i will ask you the same .what would your personal reaction be ? you are as soft as ste ,aren't you

You still didn't answer a very simple question. As for being soft, of course I am, compared to internet hard man du jour, who isn't?

[wc98]

jjlynn27 said:

wc98 said:

the point being somali immigrant crime stats are way,way above those of the indigenous population wherever they go. this particular somali should have been sent back to the utter scum filled stehole he came from, long before he raped and murdered .

as it appears people can only ask questions, not answer them, i will ask you the same .what would your personal reaction be ? you are as soft as ste ,aren't you

You still didn't answer a very simple question. As for being soft, of course I am, compared to internet hard man du jour, who isn't?

and neither did you , or trabi . if you honestly think that peoples perception of this crime is not going to be any different to those committed by people in a country legally then i do not know what to say.
my personal reaction to anyone of any nationality that had done that to my parents would be the same ,the difference in the case of the crime being carried out by an illegal economic migrant would be there would also be a reaction toward those in charge of immigration that let the evil bd into the country in the first place.

i would love to see the criminal stats regarding legal refugees right across europe vs those of illegal immigrants ,i would be willing to bet there is at least an order of magnitude more serious criminal activity carried out by the illegals than the genuine refugees .

how do you know how hard or soft someone on the internet is ? why would you even bother ? and who cares ?

[amusingduck]

jjlynn27 said:

dudleybloke said:

Benni said:

Nice plot :
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/04/27/german-...

Found in the flat were hand grenades and explosives.

Shows how good the vetting of refugees is if they couldn't spot Herman trying it on.

Vetting of refugees is done when they enter AFAIK. He was already in Germany, so unless you advocate check and recheck of refugees all the time, how do you 'spot the Herman'?

Isn't it more "how do you not spot the Herman"?

Telegraph said:

Prosectors were at a loss to explain how he was able to register as a Syrian asylum-seeker despite the fact he speaks no Arabic and is not believed to be of Syrian origin. The authorities raised no suspicion at the time of his application.

[BlackLabel]

A second soldier has been arrested for allegedly planning a “false flag” terror attack to be blamed on refugees in Germany amid fears of a wider neo-Nazi network within the army. The plot was exposed with the arrest of a German lieutenant, Franco A, who was found to be posing as a Syrian refugee in order to carry out a shooting attack targeting left-wing politicians.

[Rich_W]

BlackLabel said:

A second soldier has been arrested for allegedly planning a “false flag” terror attack to be blamed on refugees in Germany amid fears of a wider neo-Nazi network within the army. The plot was exposed with the arrest of a German lieutenant, Franco A, who was found to be posing as a Syrian refugee in order to carry out a shooting attack targeting left-wing politicians.

Slightly Off topic. We've seen similar things in the USA.

White social justice types have been spraying "muslims must die" etc on walls to try and pin the blame on Trump supporters

[Trabi601]

Well, we are in Germany at the moment. Doing our usual and staying near Alexanderplatz in Berlin. (It's the Big 25 road race tomorrow, we are running in it).

Not a lot has changed since our first visit, back in 2012.

There are dark skinned youths around, but Germany and Berlin in particular, has always opened its doors to Turks, so it's difficult to say where they're from. But they're no trouble, and the guys who formed a band and were busking on the S5/S7 trains today were polite and fun.

There's still an issue with drunks and tramps from former USSR states, but that has always been the case out here.

[irocfan]

Rich_W said:

BlackLabel said:

A second soldier has been arrested for allegedly planning a “false flag” terror attack to be blamed on refugees in Germany amid fears of a wider neo-Nazi network within the army. The plot was exposed with the arrest of a German lieutenant, Franco A, who was found to be posing as a Syrian refugee in order to carry out a shooting attack targeting left-wing politicians.

Slightly Off topic. We've seen similar things in the USA.

White social justice types have been spraying "muslims must die" etc on walls to try and pin the blame on Trump supporters

TBH I don't rightly care if they are left/right/brown/white/martian/whatever they need to be caught and banged up at once. There are no excuses for anyone doing this

[Rich_W]

irocfan said:

TBH I don't rightly care if they are left/right/brown/white/martian/whatever they need to be caught and banged up at once. There are no excuses for anyone doing this

Generally they are.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp...

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/montreal-co...

There's even a bloody website for it!

http://www.fakehatecrimes.org/



In other German related ste


Woman is violently raped for 4 hours by Turkish immigrant. No one is doubting the attack took place and that the Woman was raped.

However.

Immigrant is not convicted because Judge feels that the Turk in question had no idea that rape was wrong....

FFS!

( Google Translation from German National Newspaper)
https://translate.google.com/translate?act=url&amp...


This is Merkels Germany now!

[irocfan]

Rich_W said:

In other German related ste


Woman is violently raped for 4 hours by Turkish immigrant. No one is doubting the attack took place and that the Woman was raped.

However.

Immigrant is not convicted because Judge feels that the Turk in question had no idea that rape was wrong....

FFS!

( Google Translation from German National Newspaper)
https://translate.google.com/translate?act=url&amp...


This is Merkels Germany now!

well if we're really lucky that judge will be on the receiving end of one of these emergency sex sessions

[Trabi601]

Why are you concentrating on this being a Turk (who is highly likely to be a 2nd or 3rd generation German national), and not on the fact that this was drug dealer and customer, with both of them users, which throws any evidence statement into doubt?

[sidicks]

Trabi601 said:

Why are you concentrating on this being a Turk (who is highly likely to be a 2nd or 3rd generation German national), and not on the fact that this was drug dealer and customer, with both of them users, which throws any evidence statement into doubt?

Where does it say that?

[Trabi601]

sidicks said:

Where does it say that?

It doesn't, but Turkish immigration to Germany was very prevalent during the mid to late 1900s. Many young Turks have German born Turkish parents these days.

[sidicks]

Trabi601 said:

sidicks said:

Where does it say that?

It doesn't, but Turkish immigration to Germany was very prevalent during the mid to late 1900s. Many young Turks have German born Turkish parents these days.

Ok, but in that case:

Rich_W said:

Immigrant is not convicted because Judge feels that the Turk in question had no idea that rape was wrong..

Surely that excuse couldn't be relevant for a 2nd or 3rd generation immigrant?

[Trabi601]

That's not exactly what the translation said, but the interpretation of a known to be very close to being a full on racist's interpretation.

Mr W's posting history on such matters is interesting.

[irocfan]

Trabi601 said:

sidicks said:

Where does it say that?

It doesn't, but Turkish immigration to Germany was very prevalent during the mid to late 1900s. Many young Turks have German born Turkish parents these days.

your logic falls down a little when the article says that said bd may not have know rape was wrong (given that it's wrong anywhere in the civilised world I can't see this as an excuse but I digress) so if he was 2nd or 3rd gen he definitely knew

[sidicks]

Trabi601 said:

That's not exactly what the translation said, but the interpretation of a known to be very close to being a full on racist's interpretation.

Mr W's posting history on such matters is interesting.

What does the report actually say?

[rscott]

sidicks said:

Trabi601 said:

That's not exactly what the translation said, but the interpretation of a known to be very close to being a full on racist's interpretation.

Mr W's posting history on such matters is interesting.

What does the report actually say?

It describes the attacker as a Turk. Makes no reference to how long they've been in the country, whether they're a German born Turk or not.

Not doubting it happened, but I'm surprised a case like this wasn't covered by more than just one regional newspaper.

There also seems to be fairly large problem with fake news in Germany - http://hoaxmap.org/ collates reports of fake news reports, usually accusing refugees/migrants of committing various crimes.

[Rich_W]

Trabi601 said:

Mr W's posting history on such matters is interesting.

It's not really. I think my position on a religion 100% incompatible with Western values is fairly easy to decipher. But then I believe in equality for women, the LGBT community and the right to follow a different faith (or in my case no faith at all) without fear of retribution...

rscott said:

Not doubting it happened, but I'm surprised a case like this wasn't covered by more than just one regional newspaper.

I'm not, we've seen the same lack of reporting in German (and Swedish media) before and it will continue.