Can we talk about Germany for a bit?
Discussion
gruffalo said:
So glad that we have limited the number we accept and the 20,000 to my mind needs to be reviewed/delayed till the full impact on other countries can be assessed.
I think the 20,000 may mean less than you think. I get the impression that we seem to help about 3000-5000 people every year anyway (asylum etc), and the 20,000 was announced as being over 4 years (IIRC). So I suspect announcing the 20,000 was just mentioning the sort of thing we already do, and it was announced to placate the sorts of people demanding that we do something.Similar to how sometimes in the budget something is announced for further into the future, and then announced again nearer the time. Two lots of good news for doing only one thing.
Bluebarge said:
gruffalo said:
Who mentioned Syria
You did. You mentioned the "20,000" who are the 20k Syrian refugees being taken by the UK and stated that you were glad that we had not taken more. The implication of your post was very clear as much as you may try to obfuscate now.The article talks about 80 offences, most of which were muggings. Some witnesses spoke of the culprits being of Middle eastern or North African appearance, but that covers an awful lot of European citizens, including Turkish Gastarbeiter, and eyewitness reports are very often confused.
Personally, I don't like to sling mud at whole communities on the basis of some confused reports. I much prefer to wait until the judicial process has been given a chance before reaching for the tar and feathers. Besides, if you were to ask policemen from any of the cheapo Med resorts whether this type of behaviour was common for any particular national group, I expect young pissed-up Brits would figure pretty high on their list.
pbg2770 said:
v8250 said:
Sadly, I'm not in any way surprised to read this. Many similar assaults, or even worse, have taken place in other Euro countries over the past five+ years...and it's only going to get worse. People, it is time to wake up to the fact that these immigrant types do not live to the same ethical and social standards as we do. The longer they are permitted entry into the EU the greater number of physical and sexual assaults. I have zero sympathy for the EU politicos who voted for the EU immigration policies over the past 15 years; in fact, they are highly culpable of the unecessary social violence and disorder we see in today's towns and cities. Unless hard disciplined action is put in place, the growth in social unrest is simply going to worsen...and I can clearly see this leading to retaliative violence across Europe.
Of particular note is the shocking level of custodial sentences handed down to these atrocious individuals...it makes my social piss boil to think they arrive in the EU, no work, no money, funded by EU tax payers to live a life of socially non-inclusive scumming around...commit a heinous crime...and then to be sentenced to 10-20years behind bars...which is yet again paid for by the EU tax payer. Simply, capital punishment is too good a punishment for these types.
Oh do get off the fence.Of particular note is the shocking level of custodial sentences handed down to these atrocious individuals...it makes my social piss boil to think they arrive in the EU, no work, no money, funded by EU tax payers to live a life of socially non-inclusive scumming around...commit a heinous crime...and then to be sentenced to 10-20years behind bars...which is yet again paid for by the EU tax payer. Simply, capital punishment is too good a punishment for these types.
The subject of this thread is about the unecessary and wholly unacceptable crimes being committed by non-European migrants on a near weekly basis. It is not, as seen with so many NP&E threads, about deriding a fellow PH'er. Therefore, kindly keep to the subject under discussion.
It does beg the question what did Merkel think she was doing ?
Even if you ignore every aspect of them, their culture, their religion etc where did she think they were going to live ?
I know nothing about Germany but would assume it has a similar welfare system to us ? They will have social housing and they will have a list as long as your arm of people who want a new house or want to move to a different house, just as we do. If they get the million or so expected, just the sheer logistics of housing / school / healthcare / entertainment is mind boggling.
They have ended up "dumping" large numbers of people in small sleepy towns, and then they all stand back in amazement when the far right pops up again, I am no genius but I could see that this would cause problems.
You then add in the fact that these people have come from a different culture, probably do not speak German, and many have little in the way of formal education that suits Germany's needs and it does make you wonder what she was thinking.
They may well have an ageing population, low birth rate and the problems it brings but have they brought in the "right sort of workforce" ? They are probably lots of Pistonheaders whose wife / partner has not gone back to work due to childcare costs or has had second thoughts about further children due to the costs. She could have made childcare free for all women earning less than €50,000 a year, that would have had a volume going back to work - maybe not in all occupations but it is a positive step. If people can be incentivised to have only one child with transistor radios imagine what you could do with an I phone 6 .....
Even if you ignore every aspect of them, their culture, their religion etc where did she think they were going to live ?
I know nothing about Germany but would assume it has a similar welfare system to us ? They will have social housing and they will have a list as long as your arm of people who want a new house or want to move to a different house, just as we do. If they get the million or so expected, just the sheer logistics of housing / school / healthcare / entertainment is mind boggling.
They have ended up "dumping" large numbers of people in small sleepy towns, and then they all stand back in amazement when the far right pops up again, I am no genius but I could see that this would cause problems.
You then add in the fact that these people have come from a different culture, probably do not speak German, and many have little in the way of formal education that suits Germany's needs and it does make you wonder what she was thinking.
They may well have an ageing population, low birth rate and the problems it brings but have they brought in the "right sort of workforce" ? They are probably lots of Pistonheaders whose wife / partner has not gone back to work due to childcare costs or has had second thoughts about further children due to the costs. She could have made childcare free for all women earning less than €50,000 a year, that would have had a volume going back to work - maybe not in all occupations but it is a positive step. If people can be incentivised to have only one child with transistor radios imagine what you could do with an I phone 6 .....
jjlynn27 said:
gruffalo said:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-35231046
Germany, a country that has opened it's doors to many leaving the Middle East, may Merkel regret what she has done or is this sort of collateral damage acceptable?
So glad that we have limited the number we accept and the 20,000 to my mind needs to be reviewed/delayed till the full impact on other countries can be assessed.
I am shocked that this could happen in Germany, a country I visit regularly and have aways considered as very safe.
I'm shocked that you are still allowed to post on this forum after your rather idiotic outburst during Christmas. I'm even more shocked that you are allowed unsupervised access to the internet.Germany, a country that has opened it's doors to many leaving the Middle East, may Merkel regret what she has done or is this sort of collateral damage acceptable?
So glad that we have limited the number we accept and the 20,000 to my mind needs to be reviewed/delayed till the full impact on other countries can be assessed.
I am shocked that this could happen in Germany, a country I visit regularly and have aways considered as very safe.
eta; better?
Edited by jjlynn27 on Tuesday 5th January 13:30
The Spruce goose said:
why do people think the immigrants will stay in Germany., Once they have claimed and got the passport they can go to any EU country.
IF their claims are accepted AND they are granted citizenship (a process which takes between 5-10 years in most EU countries) then yes, that would be the case. But in a Europe of 500m + people you would barely notice.eharding said:
jjlynn27 said:
gruffalo said:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-35231046
Germany, a country that has opened it's doors to many leaving the Middle East, may Merkel regret what she has done or is this sort of collateral damage acceptable?
So glad that we have limited the number we accept and the 20,000 to my mind needs to be reviewed/delayed till the full impact on other countries can be assessed.
I am shocked that this could happen in Germany, a country I visit regularly and have aways considered as very safe.
I'm shocked that you are still allowed to post on this forum after your rather idiotic outburst during Christmas. I'm even more shocked that you are allowed unsupervised access to the internet.Germany, a country that has opened it's doors to many leaving the Middle East, may Merkel regret what she has done or is this sort of collateral damage acceptable?
So glad that we have limited the number we accept and the 20,000 to my mind needs to be reviewed/delayed till the full impact on other countries can be assessed.
I am shocked that this could happen in Germany, a country I visit regularly and have aways considered as very safe.
eta; better?
Edited by jjlynn27 on Tuesday 5th January 13:30
v8250 said:
The subject of this thread is about the unecessary and wholly unacceptable crimes being committed by non-European migrants on a near weekly basis.
No it's not. It's about some incidents in Germany over New Year for which no-one has yet been arrested.You have chosen to use it to make some completely unfounded allegations about all non-European migrants to the EU. There's a word for that....now, what is it?
jjlynn27 said:
I'm shocked that you are still allowed to post on this forum after your rather idiotic outburst during Christmas. I'm even more shocked that you are allowed unsupervised access to the internet.
eta; better?
You've got the wrong person if I remember right.eta; better?
Edited by jjlynn27 on Tuesday 5th January 13:30
v8250 said:
You'll find that my words clearly show I am not 'on the fence' but have a very clear, succinct and positive social view for the betterment of social stability within European countries.
The subject of this thread is about the unecessary and wholly unacceptable crimes being committed by non-European migrants on a near weekly basis. It is not, as seen with so many NP&E threads, about deriding a fellow PH'er. Therefore, kindly keep to the subject under discussion.
If you use phrases like "immigrant types" you can expect people to judge you by it. The subject of this thread is about the unecessary and wholly unacceptable crimes being committed by non-European migrants on a near weekly basis. It is not, as seen with so many NP&E threads, about deriding a fellow PH'er. Therefore, kindly keep to the subject under discussion.
Bluebarge said:
v8250 said:
The subject of this thread is about the unecessary and wholly unacceptable crimes being committed by non-European migrants on a near weekly basis.
No it's not. It's about some incidents in Germany over New Year for which no-one has yet been arrested.You have chosen to use it to make some completely unfounded allegations about all non-European migrants to the EU. There's a word for that....now, what is it?
Bluebarge said:
v8250 said:
The subject of this thread is about the unecessary and wholly unacceptable crimes being committed by non-European migrants on a near weekly basis.
No it's not. It's about some incidents in Germany over New Year for which no-one has yet been arrested.You have chosen to use it to make some completely unfounded allegations about all non-European migrants to the EU. There's a word for that....now, what is it?
Anything against which you cannot find a coherent argument is labelled "racist".
Your abstract view of what is going on in parts of Europe is laughable, you clearly have nothing of use to add so out trot the "R" word.
Bluebarge said:
v8250 said:
The subject of this thread is about the unecessary and wholly unacceptable crimes being committed by non-European migrants on a near weekly basis.
No it's not. It's about some incidents in Germany over New Year for which no-one has yet been arrested.You have chosen to use it to make some completely unfounded allegations about all non-European migrants to the EU. There's a word for that....now, what is it?
Can't remember the last time I saw the beeb be claimed to be right way, even by proxy.
I mean for goodness sakes the chief of the police stated "The men were of Arab or North African appearance", I suppose he's a filthy racist too?
ed: His [Police chief] use of the phrase "a completely new dimension of crime" also suggests this is out of the norm for there too, which is set against their expectations which will obviously take into account their higher than average incident rate.
Edited by roachcoach on Tuesday 5th January 14:38
It does amuse me that we have such a varied group on here from the outright nutters who think that anyone slightly tanned or Muslim is the root of all evil to the outright nutters who think that such people are utterly incapable of ever doing anything bad or wrong.
What does not amuse me is that there seems to be a very big problem building inside central Europe which is going to set the tone for a lot of what happens this year, to the point that the issue could influence the Hokey Cokey vote on the EU in the UK.
Regardless of the misguided and misguiding bleating of the bleeding hearts and the racists there is a very real problem of an urgent need to educate millions of people that the World that they have chosen sanctuary in is a very different one to the World that they lived in and that there are a lot of things that were just fine at home that are far from acceptable here, publicly, let alone legally.
More also needs to be done on the 'home' front as well. It would appear that there are a considerable number of asylum seekers who have very wrong opinions of what is in it for them when they get to Europe. Perhaps a few videos of those already in Europe and the like shown to potential travellers would cause those who are travelling for economic rather than humanitarian reasons to reconsider their options.
What does not amuse me is that there seems to be a very big problem building inside central Europe which is going to set the tone for a lot of what happens this year, to the point that the issue could influence the Hokey Cokey vote on the EU in the UK.
Regardless of the misguided and misguiding bleating of the bleeding hearts and the racists there is a very real problem of an urgent need to educate millions of people that the World that they have chosen sanctuary in is a very different one to the World that they lived in and that there are a lot of things that were just fine at home that are far from acceptable here, publicly, let alone legally.
More also needs to be done on the 'home' front as well. It would appear that there are a considerable number of asylum seekers who have very wrong opinions of what is in it for them when they get to Europe. Perhaps a few videos of those already in Europe and the like shown to potential travellers would cause those who are travelling for economic rather than humanitarian reasons to reconsider their options.
Bluebarge said:
No it's not. It's about some incidents in Germany over New Year for which no-one has yet been arrested.
You have chosen to use it to make some completely unfounded allegations about all non-European migrants to the EU. There's a word for that....now, what is it?
There have been arrests - if you translate the page that I linked earlier, it mentions them in the penultimate paragraph.You have chosen to use it to make some completely unfounded allegations about all non-European migrants to the EU. There's a word for that....now, what is it?
del mar said:
They may well have an ageing population, low birth rate and the problems it brings but have they brought in the "right sort of workforce" ? They are probably lots of Pistonheaders whose wife / partner has not gone back to work due to childcare costs or has had second thoughts about further children due to the costs. She could have made childcare free for all women earning less than €50,000 a year, that would have had a volume going back to work - maybe not in all occupations but it is a positive step.
This would only be helpful in the short term. Surely you're better off making it easier for people to stay at home to create/look after their family and increase the birth rate. Far cheaper than employing the state too.Bluebarge said:
No it's not. It's about some incidents in Germany over New Year for which no-one has yet been arrested.
You have chosen to use it to make some completely unfounded allegations about all non-European migrants to the EU. There's a word for that....now, what is it?
The monkey who will hear no evil, see no evil - wake up sunshine, these migrants are not all Mother Teresas. You have chosen to use it to make some completely unfounded allegations about all non-European migrants to the EU. There's a word for that....now, what is it?
Balance please.
Just read there have been some arrests .
Bluebarge said:
Personally, I don't like to sling mud at whole communities on the basis of some confused reports. I much prefer to wait until the judicial process has been given a chance before reaching for the tar and feathers.
Ok.Oh but wait, what's this in the very next sentence?
Bluebarge said:
Besides, if you were to ask policemen from any of the cheapo Med resorts whether this type of behaviour was common for any particular national group, I expect young pissed-up Brits would figure pretty high on their list.
I do believe it's slinging mud at a whole community on the basis of, well, nothing really.New year, same old mixture of congnitive dissonance and brit-hating from Mr. Barge.
Smiler. said:
Anything against which you cannot find a coherent argument is labelled "racist".
Utter, utter balls. My post was addressed to v8250. If you cannot find any racist element in the frankly shocking garbage he has posted then you are clearly beyond redemption. Edited by Bluebarge on Tuesday 5th January 15:24
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