Is Britain Full?

[Rich_W]

Nothingtoseehere said:

Have you ever been unemployed? It isn't fun applying for job after job without so much as the decency of a reply.

There was a guy on the TV the other day. Unemployed for something like 30 years! He lived a meek existence in his tiny council house on benefits.

It was obvious he had no desire to work. think he'd worked a few weeks here and there his whole life. Euthanasia would be my choice for people like him!

AshVX220 said:

True, however I do think other countries have less people with the poor work ethic of many Brits.

I find this curious. I think the guys and girls that come over who have a decent education are far more likely to make the most of being here (and fair play to them) I'm talking about whatever the equivalent of 5 A-C GCSEs are and upwards in terms of FE or HE.

BUT At the low IQ low skill level of immigrant. A good work ethic is one thing I would say is not universal!

I'd also counter, and some will hate it, that many (NOT ALL!) of those from the much poorer EU nations (eg Bulgaria, Albania, Romania etc) have a flexible attitude to crime. Not high end armed robbery or murder or organised car thefts particularly, but the stty end. Theft. Flytipping/Littering, anti social behaviour, no insurance on their cars/vans. Not always a valid driving licence. Cash in hand work.

These people look at the Brits and their way of life with contempt and feel that a little adjustment is them levelling the playing field.

You could rightly say that's the case with many indigenous Brits as well. But why do we need to import more idiots when we have enough of our own already?

[irocfan]

227bhp said:

In Germany it's against the law to wash your own car for environmental reasons, if they didn't have that they'd have the same as us.

you sure about that? I know it used to be that doing that or mowing your lawn was illegal on sundays but I'd be very surprised if actually washing was illegal

[MrBrightSi]

irocfan said:

227bhp said:

In Germany it's against the law to wash your own car for environmental reasons, if they didn't have that they'd have the same as us.

you sure about that? I know it used to be that doing that or mowing your lawn was illegal on sundays but I'd be very surprised if actually washing was illegal

There was a BBC show, someones euro road trip. It surprised me when he said this exact same thing, it is illegal to wash your car and according to the program it's lead to many new car wash businesses.

[Bluedot]

MrBrightSi said:

irocfan said:

227bhp said:

In Germany it's against the law to wash your own car for environmental reasons, if they didn't have that they'd have the same as us.

you sure about that? I know it used to be that doing that or mowing your lawn was illegal on sundays but I'd be very surprised if actually washing was illegal

There was a BBC show, someones euro road trip. It surprised me when he said this exact same thing, it is illegal to wash your car and according to the program it's lead to many new car wash businesses.

It was mentioned on the Paul Hollywood road-trip programme a few weeks back and then used as a reason to show the worlds largest (I think?) car wash.

[poo at Paul's]

anonymous said:

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I agree that New Towns really are the answer. As to where you put them, it's not easy. The way expansion of towns and villages has been allowed, means that in the SE, space between them is lacking and to find a New Town site is difficult. Of course, in Milton Keynes, the spread fo the new town absorbed many villages / hamlets, 40 years on, it's successful, but would imagine it upset some people at the time.

But yes, the thought of being able to design a town with a blank sheet of paper is great, although no doubt it would be messed up and turned into an impractical uninhabitable sthole by planners wanting to "ban motor cars", stick everyone on top of each other, and have wky art installations everywhere.

They should just build another MIlton Keynes, concrete cow jokes aside, i worked there many years ago and it worked really quite well.

[ninja-lewis]

anonymous said:

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It hasn't yet happened.

said:

The frightening scope of this decline is best expressed in numbers. China today boasts roughly five workers for every retiree. By 2040, this highly desirable ratio will have collapsed to about 1.6 to 1. From the start of this century to its midway point, the median age in China will go from under 30 to about 46, making China one of the older societies in the world. At the same time, the number of Chinese older than 65 is expected to rise from roughly 100 million in 2005 to more than 329 million in 2050—more than the combined populations of Germany, Japan, France, and Britain.

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2016/06/chinas-twilight-years/480768/

As wives traditionally looked after their husband's parents rather than their own, many families favoured sons over daughters, creating a large disparity in the male:female ratio.

[Jazzy Jag]

MrBrightSi said:

There was a BBC show, someones euro road trip. It surprised me when he said this exact same thing, it is illegal to wash your car and according to the program it's lead to many new car wash businesses.

Gives all those immigrants something to do

[Troubleatmill]

MrBrightSi said:

irocfan said:

227bhp said:

In Germany it's against the law to wash your own car for environmental reasons, if they didn't have that they'd have the same as us.

you sure about that? I know it used to be that doing that or mowing your lawn was illegal on sundays but I'd be very surprised if actually washing was illegal

There was a BBC show, someones euro road trip. It surprised me when he said this exact same thing, it is illegal to wash your car and according to the program it's lead to many new car wash businesses.

It has to do with not putting detergents into the environment.
The new fangled German car wash machines - have filters that remove detergents etc etc - and are able to recycle the water.

Now if you do want German do-lally - The rain water that goes down your gutters and drains is on a meter - and you get billed for that.

[Davidonly]

Is Britain full?

Yes.... infrastructure cannot cope already. No more please.

[wiggy001]

loafer123 said:

wiggy001 said:

Mrr T said:

The high population density in the south east is distorted by London. I live in the south east on the edge of a commuter town. From my back windows all I see is fields. Going east the next large town is 20 miles away with just fields and some small towns and villages in-between.

Would you be happy if those fields were built on to create a new "garden village", merging your town with the next?

If the proposal really does merge two villages, it is urban sprawl and the exact opposite of what Garden Villages are supposed to be.

Yep, but "Urban Sprawl" isn't as easy to con the natives with as "Garden Village".

[paua]

The one child policy in China has resulted in something in the order of 30 million marriageable age males with no corresponding females to wed - bit of a social issue. Policy has been (relatively recently ) relaxed, but a whole generation of blokes have nowhere to park the Pontiac.

[vonuber]

Troubleatmill said:

Now if you do want German do-lally - The rain water that goes down your gutters and drains is on a meter - and you get billed for that.

That's sensible - encourages the use of sustainable urban drainage systems.
You do know you pay a flat charge for the disposal of surface water, yes?

[speedy_thrills]

KrissKross said:

Adam Ansel said:

Demographics. We need people to pay taxes so that Baby Boomers get their pensions and care workers.

The people arriving to do low end job roles are not capable of contributing enough tax to cover themselves, let alone the rest of us. The maths does not work, its a simple as that.

The UK will need an immigration policy that balances the need for financial sustainability against it's infrastructure development funding.

The problem for the UK is that it's economy has really slowed considerably which will push the persistent budget deficit (according to the governments own figures). Usually you would expect this to push the government towards action but the government has not yet responded to these changes and they're probably quite hemmed in at this point because of their approach to budgeting. Bank of England obviously don't really have any room respond at this point as the recovery has been very slow and weak to date and having made their last cut to support the economy after the Brexit vote (which actually worked for about 6 months.)

The UK has obviously had this problem with wage growth being tepid for much longer than this government but when you start to get media reporting falling (real) wages it's likely to be difficult to ignore.

[rodericb]

vonuber said:

That's sensible - encourages the use of sustainable urban drainage systems.
You do know you pay a flat charge for the disposal of surface water, yes?

Urban drainage system? What can one do to reduce their drainage charges? Let your roof simply dump rain water onto the ground and let it soak into the ground/drain away naturally? Or are you talking about water tanks and using that water to flush your bog?

[vonuber]

rodericb said:

Urban drainage system? What can one do to reduce their drainage charges? Let your roof simply dump rain water onto the ground and let it soak into the ground/drain away naturally? Or are you talking about water tanks and using that water to flush your bog?

Both. Lots of things you can do, permeable paving, green roofs, rainwater harvesting etc.

[BlueHave]

Hayek said:

227bhp said:

Troubleatmill said:

Why do we need more people here exactly?
Plenty of space in the really big countries that could be filled up first.

We don't need just people, we need a certain type of people (so i'm told).
Apparently we need foreigners to do the jobs we CBA to do.

We don't even need that, just a good excuse. We're quite capable of training our own people and paying enough for stuff so that it makes economic sense for someone to be arsed to do it. Yes we would be poorer financially, but richer in other ways.

The argument that they do the jobs the native Brits CBA doing is nonsense. They do the jobs that employers think they can get away with paying rubbish wages. If the employers paid a decent living wage then they would get plenty of locals applying.

How can anyone pay a mortgage, run a car or have a decent family life on £7.50 an hour.

The Poles for example will work for minimum wage or even below because it is better than the wages back home which is a pitiful 11.54 zloty which is about £2.40

Edited by BlueHave on Sunday 25th June 01:54

[Mojooo]

If the current infrastructure is full but the land is not the logical step is to build a massive new city.

I once drove through Wiltshire and spent what felt like 60mins solid driving through greenery

fk the greenery I say! Or at least we can give up one section to take the pressure off surely.

[princealbert23]

Mojooo said:

If the current infrastructure is full but the land is not the logical step is to build a massive new city.

I once drove through Wiltshire and spent what felt like 60mins solid driving through greenery

fk the greenery I say! Or at least we can give up one section to take the pressure off surely.

And when that gets full?

[Pvapour]

It was over full 10 years ago, god knows what state ur in now!

It needed procreation control as well as border control back then, its way too late now.

Ever seen the rats in cage experiment? Eventualy they start eating the weaker and its not for food

non goaty weilding largely built directors beware! Chom chomp

10 years in escape now and absolute bliss, we can actualy go out and enjoy things without crowds!

interesting watching the decline but not very nice every so often the limits of the crowd incraese to another unaceptable level for some...

[JagLover]

The Sunday Times mentions today in an article about illegal sub letting at the Grenfell tower that illegal migration was believed to be 150,000 last year and will not have been included in the official 1/2 million increase in the population.

Which may be why there are a number of unofficial population estimates that are millions higher than the governments own figure.