Jacob Rees-Mogg

[Eddie Strohacker]

An ahole questioned by a tool, reported by a prick.

[Deptford Draylons]

Eddie Strohacker said:

An ahole questioned by a tool, reported by a prick.

Haha. Eddie is upset tonight ?

[AstonZagato]

NDA said:

brenflys777 said:

When you say "his views don't belong in a civilised society" - his views reflect Roman Catholic mainstream teaching on abortion and same sex marriage. Do you have any kind of solution to their presence in society? Something that will be long lasting?

The Roman Catholic church's 'teachings' should play no part at all in the government of this country or any other. They are irrelevant. If someone wants to believe in the Jedi (or whatever) that's their private choice.

I think JRM has rather scuppered his chances by his attitude on this subject.

I rather liked JRM up to the point he came out with the abortion nonsense.

I respect him being resolute in his views and true to his faith/beliefs but if he cannot recognise that those views are out of step with society then he has counted himself out of high office.

[chrispmartha]

Burwood said:

Deptford Draylons said:

Julia Hartley-Brewer chats with JRM and asks him why his God killed her 4 children during her miscarriages.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_h6XgmzQObY

And his answer was pathetic. That is the mystery of the Catholic Church. Here is a man that is so ahead of the curve as an orator. And that is the best he can come up with.

Indeed it was pathetic and I've yet to hear any person of faith answer that or similar questions, it simply shows up what a ridiculous idea of an all loving god is, it fails at the first hurdle.

In fact I'll ask it to anyone who believes in an all loving god. Why would an all loving god let young children die of cancer (or someone of any age for that matter) and secondly, why knowing that your god lets this happen, why would you worship him/her/it?.

[gadgetmac]

chrispmartha said:

Burwood said:

Deptford Draylons said:

Julia Hartley-Brewer chats with JRM and asks him why his God killed her 4 children during her miscarriages.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_h6XgmzQObY

And his answer was pathetic. That is the mystery of the Catholic Church. Here is a man that is so ahead of the curve as an orator. And that is the best he can come up with.

Indeed it was pathetic and I've yet to hear any person of faith answer that or similar questions, it simply shows up what a ridiculous idea of an all loving god is, it fails at the first hurdle.

In fact I'll ask it to anyone who believes in an all loving god. Why would an all loving god let young children die of cancer (or someone of any age for that matter) and secondly, why knowing that your god lets this happen, why would you worship him/her/it?.

Or let innocents die whilst allowing Hitler and all of the sadists continue to live.

There's only two answers to the question of evil

1. He chooses not to do anything about it

2. He is unable to do anything about it

Either answer means he's not worthy of consideration.

[BJG1]

gadgetmac said:

Or let innocents die whilst allowing Hitler and all of the sadists continue to live.

There's only two answers to the question of evil

1. He chooses not to do anything about it

2. He is unable to do anything about it

Either answer means he's not worthy of consideration.

Nah, God works in mysterious ways.

[TheLordJohn]

Communists were atheists.
Killed tens of millions.

All atheists are responsible.

[Mothersruin]

gadgetmac said:

chrispmartha said:

Burwood said:

Deptford Draylons said:

Julia Hartley-Brewer chats with JRM and asks him why his God killed her 4 children during her miscarriages.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_h6XgmzQObY

And his answer was pathetic. That is the mystery of the Catholic Church. Here is a man that is so ahead of the curve as an orator. And that is the best he can come up with.

Indeed it was pathetic and I've yet to hear any person of faith answer that or similar questions, it simply shows up what a ridiculous idea of an all loving god is, it fails at the first hurdle.

In fact I'll ask it to anyone who believes in an all loving god. Why would an all loving god let young children die of cancer (or someone of any age for that matter) and secondly, why knowing that your god lets this happen, why would you worship him/her/it?.

Or let innocents die whilst allowing Hitler and all of the sadists continue to live.

There's only two answers to the question of evil

1. He chooses not to do anything about it

2. He is unable to do anything about it

Either answer means he's not worthy of consideration.

Without going back through the whole thing - have we had Epicurus' thoughts?

Epicurus said:

Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?

[chrispmartha]

TheLordJohn said:

Communists were atheists.
Killed tens of millions.

All atheists are responsible.

Eh, that doesn't even make sense as no one is saying all Christians are responsible for anything.

[Burwood]

TheLordJohn said:

Communists were atheists.
Killed tens of millions.

All atheists are responsible.

which Atheists are you referring to? Chinese Mao or some of the South American ones?

[AstonZagato]

Mothersruin said:

gadgetmac said:

chrispmartha said:

Burwood said:

Deptford Draylons said:

Julia Hartley-Brewer chats with JRM and asks him why his God killed her 4 children during her miscarriages.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_h6XgmzQObY

And his answer was pathetic. That is the mystery of the Catholic Church. Here is a man that is so ahead of the curve as an orator. And that is the best he can come up with.

Indeed it was pathetic and I've yet to hear any person of faith answer that or similar questions, it simply shows up what a ridiculous idea of an all loving god is, it fails at the first hurdle.

In fact I'll ask it to anyone who believes in an all loving god. Why would an all loving god let young children die of cancer (or someone of any age for that matter) and secondly, why knowing that your god lets this happen, why would you worship him/her/it?.

Or let innocents die whilst allowing Hitler and all of the sadists continue to live.

There's only two answers to the question of evil

1. He chooses not to do anything about it

2. He is unable to do anything about it

Either answer means he's not worthy of consideration.

Without going back through the whole thing - have we had Epicurus' thoughts?

Epicurus said:

Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?

I think the usual defences that Christians trot out are:
1. He doesn't want to rob humans of free will
Humans create much of the evil we see through their choices. He doesn't stop that on the basis that we would be puppets.
2. Because evil is a necessary part of life
Without death, there is no life. Cell replication creates life but it also creates cancer. God will make it up to everyone in the afterlife.
3. Suffering is part of knowing God
It is only by having your faith tested that one can truly believe.

Or it could be that there is no God and life is a bit ste.

[Jinx]

AstonZagato said:

I think the usual defences that Christians trot out are:
1. He doesn't want to rob humans of free will
Humans create much of the evil we see through their choices. He doesn't stop that on the basis that we would be puppets.
2. Because evil is a necessary part of life
Without death, there is no life. Cell replication creates life but it also creates cancer. God will make it up to everyone in the afterlife.
3. Suffering is part of knowing God
It is only by having your faith tested that one can truly believe.

Or it could be that there is no God and life is a bit ste.

Or without suffering humans tend to turn out to be a bit st. The phrase spoilt brats comes to mind if you read the bible through (and look at how many of those born with a silver spoon turn out) - much of the evil in the world is perpetuated by humans and perhaps before we yell at the sky for not making it fair and rosy perhaps we could ask ourselves what we as individuals have done to make it better.
st will still happen but there would be a lot less to go round if we were a little better to each other.

[Carl_Manchester]

Mankind is inherently ignorant of past knowledge.

I read men's health and despite knowing that if I don't walk 10,000 steps per day and avoid too many carbs I will end up looking like the Michelin man that is exactly what i do. I get depressed about it then end up having to do 15,000 per day and eat like a rabbit for 6 months.

I view the New Testament in the same light, the reference point is there I just fail miserably where Jesus succeeded.

JRM is not my poster boy but he has political value.

[Smollet]

gadgetmac said:

Or let innocents die whilst allowing Hitler and all of the sadists continue to live.

There's only two answers to the question of evil

1. He chooses not to do anything about it

2. He is unable to do anything about it

Either answer means he's not worthy of consideration.

Or more simply he just doesn't exist.

[jjlynn27]

Smollet said:

Or more simply he just doesn't exist.

Infidel.

[DeejRC]

Derek Smith said:

DeejRC said:

Now before anyone accuses me of being an Eton'ite, Im a Blackpool boy and if there was anywhere in the country where being called Sixtus is likely to give you a kicking - its Blackpool !

You'll need a Skeleton Army if all his children go to see the lights: Peter Theodore Alphege Rees-Mogg Mary Anne Charlotte Emma Thomas Wentworth Somerset Dunstan Rees-Mogg Anselm Charles Fitzwilliam Rees-Mogg Alfred Wulfric Leyson Pius Sixtus Dominic Boniface Christopher.

Wulfric!!! He's picked another corker there! You have got to walk at least a cpl of inches taller knowing you are called Wulfric, thats a cracking name
Alfred - goes without saying!
Alphege? Doesn't hit the mark. If your brothers are Alfred, Wulfric and Sixtus, you are going to feel like you have been considerably short changed if you get Alphege arent you?!

Of course the one to really feel peeved there is Thomas Wentworth Somerset Dunstan! Poor bugger is going to get a kicking from the Republicans and the Monarchists!

[DeejRC]

dandarez said:

I recall a very bright African student with the name Boniface Zabajunga in the late 80s in Oxford. My, he was a tall cool guy!

Boniface is also a pretty cool name for an engineering company in Norfolk.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=28&amp...

So, perhaps R-M is into cool names a tad more than we give him credit?

Nah, its a stretch too far for me. Im all for Ziggy Stardust touch of insanity when it comes to name, but Boniface just hasnt got the pizzazz to pull off the ponciness of it. Now yer man above with Zabajunga has just got a name that nails the pizzazz thing. You could be called Gary, Graham or Gordon (or any other accountant name) and still be cool if you also had Zabajunga on the birth certificate!

Im ginger and even I would be ice cold if I was called Zabajunga!

[Oilchange]

AstonZagato said:

I rather liked JRM up to the point he came out with the abortion nonsense.

I respect him being resolute in his views and true to his faith/beliefs but if he cannot recognise that those views are out of step with society then he has counted himself out of high office.

I wonder if it was a deliberate bit of misdirection to stop all the Mogg mentum stuff...

[AstonZagato]

Smollet said:

Or more simply he just doesn't exist.

Burn the heretic!

[Mr Gearchange]

Jinx said:

AstonZagato said:

I think the usual defences that Christians trot out are:
1. He doesn't want to rob humans of free will
Humans create much of the evil we see through their choices. He doesn't stop that on the basis that we would be puppets.
2. Because evil is a necessary part of life
Without death, there is no life. Cell replication creates life but it also creates cancer. God will make it up to everyone in the afterlife.
3. Suffering is part of knowing God
It is only by having your faith tested that one can truly believe.

Or it could be that there is no God and life is a bit ste.

Or without suffering humans tend to turn out to be a bit st. The phrase spoilt brats comes to mind if you read the bible through (and look at how many of those born with a silver spoon turn out) - much of the evil in the world is perpetuated by humans and perhaps before we yell at the sky for not making it fair and rosy perhaps we could ask ourselves what we as individuals have done to make it better.
st will still happen but there would be a lot less to go round if we were a little better to each other.

Yes, thank god for childhood cancer to keep us all on the straight and narrow.