Jacob Rees-Mogg

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IroningMan

9,132 posts

184 months

Tuesday 26th January 2016
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v8250 said:
He's actively supporting Brexit and I sincerely hope he takes his gloves off and aggressively supports Leave.EU, Grass Roouts Out etc., come the ramp up to the referendum.

As for J R-M becoming PM...he's simply too bright a light, too intelligent for the average UK voter. They have such low expectations of what the country needs, have such political apathy, that they'll continue voting for the likes of Blair and CMD...the very same CMD who forced out J R-M's sister standing for election because her name has five syllables. I hope J R-M will, like his father, develop in to a highly effective statesmen for the country...at a time when true statesmen are very thin on the ground.

And despite his background he continues to connect with people of all backgrounds...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIt3PM5DF_c

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUKjTPPcOdQ

and the superb Ali G interview...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szGxq3pvJPQ
She stood in my constituency in 2010, using her full name, Annunziata, and lost to the Lib Dem incumbent, David Heath.

Bring on the clowns

1,339 posts

122 months

Tuesday 26th January 2016
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FredClogs said:
Definitely the worst kind of imaginable. Last time he was on HIGNFY Victorian Coren Mitchell described herself as being "very attracted to you right now", had me sharpening my guillotine, can you imagine the result of a Mitchell - Coren - Mogg three way'd offspring, "let them eat wit". Absolutely insufferable, come the revolution brothers and sisters they'll be on page 1 of the list.
Either you are trolling/winding up the majority of posters on here, or just the sort described disdainfully as a reason why people of quality but from a certain class won't make it to the highest positions in this land of embittered, envious and entitled cretins.

Bring on the clowns

1,339 posts

122 months

Tuesday 26th January 2016
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Oh, you are the (ex) Matt Nunn! That answers everything. As you were.

Vaud

30,893 posts

93 months

Tuesday 26th January 2016
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Very smart man.

More "Eton" than any of the current Tory front bench so probably precluded from office, sadly.

v8250

2,609 posts

149 months

Tuesday 26th January 2016
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IroningMan said:
She stood in my constituency in 2010, using her full name, Annunziata, and lost to the Lib Dem incumbent, David Heath.
She did, indeed. What I find incredulous is that CMD dare to challenge a fellow politician, prospective or not, on their birth name...suggesting she should change her name to Nancy Mogg as he thought it less damaging to him in the 2009-2010 elections, and that he could not accept her anti-EU viewpoint as having vocal anti-EU members would further damage his chances of being elected. Names aside, I'm not certain as to how serious a candidate she was/is. She does not appear to have the same gravitas of her illustrious brother and only lost by 1817 votes to David Heath, but at 44% of the votes she must be doing something right against the well respected Heath.
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FredClogs

13,313 posts

99 months

Tuesday 26th January 2016
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Bring on the clowns said:
FredClogs said:
Definitely the worst kind of imaginable. Last time he was on HIGNFY Victorian Coren Mitchell described herself as being "very attracted to you right now", had me sharpening my guillotine, can you imagine the result of a Mitchell - Coren - Mogg three way'd offspring, "let them eat wit". Absolutely insufferable, come the revolution brothers and sisters they'll be on page 1 of the list.
Either you are trolling/winding up the majority of posters on here, or just the sort described disdainfully as a reason why people of quality but from a certain class won't make it to the highest positions in this land of embittered, envious and entitled cretins.
Ha ha, way to display irony dude.

Murph7355

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21,319 posts

194 months

Tuesday 26th January 2016
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FredClogs said:
Yeah, because we wouldn't want a governmental system which represented the will of the electorate would we? That would never do. Easy solution, send everyone to Eton and give everyone a Bently and a Nanny and then Jacob-Rees Mogg would be the perfect figure head... Job jobbed, as they say.

From his wiki page...

At the 1997 general election, Rees-Mogg was the Tory candidate for the solidly Labour seat of Central Fife and attracted ridicule after canvassing a largely working-class neighbourhood with his nanny;[4] on election night he came third, gaining 9% of the votes cast,[7] slightly fewer than half of the votes won by the previous Conservative candidate in 1992. However, rumours that he had gone around the constituency in a Bentley were described as "scurrilous" ? he insisted it had been a Mercedes.
So the accuracy and/or sense of what he says is secondary to his background, accent and the car he drives (is driven in)?

This is why this country is totally screwed. People such as yourself are always deriding the "race to the bottom" when it comes to salaries etc, but appear supportive of a race to the bottom when it comes to intellect and common sense.

One begats the other. The sooner people with that view can see that rather than blaming everything else under the sun the better.

You don't have to have attended Eton to understand what he says. You just have to listen beyond his accent and think for yourself. And perhaps put aside other personal prejudice and misguided beliefs.

If you're incapable of that I'd question whether you should be able to vote.

Digga

26,124 posts

221 months

Tuesday 26th January 2016
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Murph7355 said:
So the accuracy and/or sense of what he says is secondary to his background, accent and the car he drives (is driven in)?

This is why this country is totally screwed. People such as yourself are always deriding the "race to the bottom" when it comes to salaries etc, but appear supportive of a race to the bottom when it comes to intellect and common sense.

One begats the other. The sooner people with that view can see that rather than blaming everything else under the sun the better.

You don't have to have attended Eton to understand what he says. You just have to listen beyond his accent and think for yourself. And perhaps put aside other personal prejudice and misguided beliefs.

If you're incapable of that I'd question whether you should be able to vote.
But really, people don't. In the same way as - and this I have exploited to my own benefit as a buyer - most people are incapable of looking past grotty decor and fittings to see the underlying value of the property they are viewing.

I have said this for ages and I'm sure I'm right. If you get out of the South East, or the city at the very least, then you will 'get' why people feel disenfranchised and hence how UKIP managed so many surprise votes (if not seats) last year. Whoever exploits that in the right way wins. End of discussion - see The Trump for reference.

unrepentant

19,166 posts

194 months

Tuesday 26th January 2016
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rs1952 said:


He comes across very much as an old-school High Tory in much the same way as, for example, Alex Douglas Hume did.
Presumably you're referring to Alec Douglas-Home?

La Liga

12,269 posts

94 months

Tuesday 26th January 2016
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v8250 said:
and the superb Ali G interview...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szGxq3pvJPQ
Always liked the editing where he just appears with the top hat on.

It's also like the episode of the Simpsons where the clock is flicking between lots of different times because of the edit.

Digga

26,124 posts

221 months

Tuesday 26th January 2016
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La Liga said:
v8250 said:
and the superb Ali G interview...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szGxq3pvJPQ
Always liked the editing where he just appears with the top hat on.
JRM comes across very well - neatly dodged a few elephant traps in that interview and took it in good humour.

FredClogs

13,313 posts

99 months

Tuesday 26th January 2016
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Murph7355 said:
FredClogs said:
Yeah, because we wouldn't want a governmental system which represented the will of the electorate would we? That would never do. Easy solution, send everyone to Eton and give everyone a Bently and a Nanny and then Jacob-Rees Mogg would be the perfect figure head... Job jobbed, as they say.

From his wiki page...

At the 1997 general election, Rees-Mogg was the Tory candidate for the solidly Labour seat of Central Fife and attracted ridicule after canvassing a largely working-class neighbourhood with his nanny;[4] on election night he came third, gaining 9% of the votes cast,[7] slightly fewer than half of the votes won by the previous Conservative candidate in 1992. However, rumours that he had gone around the constituency in a Bentley were described as "scurrilous" ? he insisted it had been a Mercedes.
So the accuracy and/or sense of what he says is secondary to his background, accent and the car he drives (is driven in)?

This is why this country is totally screwed. People such as yourself are always deriding the "race to the bottom" when it comes to salaries etc, but appear supportive of a race to the bottom when it comes to intellect and common sense.

One begats the other. The sooner people with that view can see that rather than blaming everything else under the sun the better.

You don't have to have attended Eton to understand what he says. You just have to listen beyond his accent and think for yourself. And perhaps put aside other personal prejudice and misguided beliefs.

If you're incapable of that I'd question whether you should be able to vote.
I don't agree with his politics, that's nothing to do with the fact he's a privileged, sanctimonious 50 year old Harry Potter look alike, I just don't agree with much of what he says - and I do listen. He's Euro sceptic, I'm not, he's a vocal supporter of zero hour contracts, I'm not, he opposed Gay marriage, I do not... Just because he talks with a received pronunciation (which is entirely an affectation) and has a "good education" doesn't mean he is right or his politics aren't the same old Tory dogma. Seems to me that some people can't see past his supposed "charm" and listen to what he says, but that's not me.

turbobloke

84,080 posts

198 months

Tuesday 26th January 2016
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FredClogs said:
privileged

sanctimonious

50 year old

Harry Potter look alike

talks with a received pronunciation

has a "good education"

Seems to me that some people can't see past his supposed "charm" and listen to what he says, but that's not me.
And others can't look past a string of derogatory anachronistic class war drivel.

It's got to be better to have the country run by people with more rather than less education, more rather than less economic competence, with wisdom rather than naive misguided idealism, and who have a regard for people who pay the tax that's as healthy as their regard for those that it gets spent on.

This is why it'd better for the country with Labour out of office for some time. Not because one or two of their number speak with another type of accent or ride a bike rather than drive a Bentley but because in relative terms they're clueless and driven by outdated dogma with a track record of screwing the country's economy.

iphonedyou

7,410 posts

95 months

Tuesday 26th January 2016
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FredClogs said:
Ha ha, way to display irony dude.
Didn't realise you were American, Matt.

Mark Benson

4,969 posts

207 months

Tuesday 26th January 2016
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FredClogs said:
Murph7355 said:
FredClogs said:
Yeah, because we wouldn't want a governmental system which represented the will of the electorate would we? That would never do. Easy solution, send everyone to Eton and give everyone a Bently and a Nanny and then Jacob-Rees Mogg would be the perfect figure head... Job jobbed, as they say.

From his wiki page...

At the 1997 general election, Rees-Mogg was the Tory candidate for the solidly Labour seat of Central Fife and attracted ridicule after canvassing a largely working-class neighbourhood with his nanny;[4] on election night he came third, gaining 9% of the votes cast,[7] slightly fewer than half of the votes won by the previous Conservative candidate in 1992. However, rumours that he had gone around the constituency in a Bentley were described as "scurrilous" ? he insisted it had been a Mercedes.
So the accuracy and/or sense of what he says is secondary to his background, accent and the car he drives (is driven in)?

This is why this country is totally screwed. People such as yourself are always deriding the "race to the bottom" when it comes to salaries etc, but appear supportive of a race to the bottom when it comes to intellect and common sense.

One begats the other. The sooner people with that view can see that rather than blaming everything else under the sun the better.

You don't have to have attended Eton to understand what he says. You just have to listen beyond his accent and think for yourself. And perhaps put aside other personal prejudice and misguided beliefs.

If you're incapable of that I'd question whether you should be able to vote.
I don't agree with his politics, that's nothing to do with the fact he's a privileged, sanctimonious 50 year old Harry Potter look alike, I just don't agree with much of what he says - and I do listen. He's Euro sceptic, I'm not, he's a vocal supporter of zero hour contracts, I'm not, he opposed Gay marriage, I do not... Just because he talks with a received pronunciation (which is entirely an affectation) and has a "good education" doesn't mean he is right or his politics aren't the same old Tory dogma. Seems to me that some people can't see past his supposed "charm" and listen to what he says, but that's not me.
If I knew nothing about Rees Mogg, the fact our resident village idiot hates him would immediately endear me.

Matt, he's everything you're not (and the sad thing is you'll take that as a compliment).

FredClogs

13,313 posts

99 months

Tuesday 26th January 2016
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iphonedyou said:
FredClogs said:
Ha ha, way to display irony dude.
Didn't realise you were American, Matt.
Racist

P5BNij

2,862 posts

44 months

Tuesday 26th January 2016
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turbobloke said:
FredClogs said:
privileged

sanctimonious

50 year old

Harry Potter look alike

talks with a received pronunciation

has a "good education"

Seems to me that some people can't see past his supposed "charm" and listen to what he says, but that's not me.
And others can't look past a string of derogatory anachronistic class war drivel.

It's got to be better to have the country run by people with more rather than less education, more rather than less economic competence, with wisdom rather than naive misguided idealism, and who have a regard for people who pay the tax that's as healthy as their regard for those that it gets spent on.

This is why it'd better for the country with Labour out of office for some time. Not because one or two of their number speak with another type of accent or ride a bike rather than drive a Bentley but because in relative terms they're clueless and driven by outdated dogma with a track record of screwing the country's economy.
Spot on.

Bring on the clowns

1,339 posts

122 months

Tuesday 26th January 2016
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FredClogs said:
Bring on the clowns said:
FredClogs said:
Definitely the worst kind of imaginable. Last time he was on HIGNFY Victorian Coren Mitchell described herself as being "very attracted to you right now", had me sharpening my guillotine, can you imagine the result of a Mitchell - Coren - Mogg three way'd offspring, "let them eat wit". Absolutely insufferable, come the revolution brothers and sisters they'll be on page 1 of the list.
Either you are trolling/winding up the majority of posters on here, or just the sort described disdainfully as a reason why people of quality but from a certain class won't make it to the highest positions in this land of embittered, envious and entitled cretins.
Ha ha, way to display irony dude.
Do try to validate that observation. There's no limit to the times one can enjoy the spectacle of you embarrassing yourself.

Bring on the clowns

1,339 posts

122 months

Tuesday 26th January 2016
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turbobloke said:
FredClogs said:
privileged

sanctimonious

50 year old

Harry Potter look alike

talks with a received pronunciation

has a "good education"

Seems to me that some people can't see past his supposed "charm" and listen to what he says, but that's not me.
And others can't look past a string of derogatory anachronistic class war drivel.

It's got to be better to have the country run by people with more rather than less education, more rather than less economic competence, with wisdom rather than naive misguided idealism, and who have a regard for people who pay the tax that's as healthy as their regard for those that it gets spent on.

This is why it'd better for the country with Labour out of office for some time. Not because one or two of their number speak with another type of accent or ride a bike rather than drive a Bentley but because in relative terms they're clueless and driven by outdated dogma with a track record of screwing the country's economy.
As they say, "plus one"! You beat me to the listing of those oh-so-telling remarks. Class war. Alive and well in 2016, or so it would appear.

irocfan

18,305 posts

128 months

Tuesday 26th January 2016
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FredClogs said:
iphonedyou said:
FredClogs said:
Ha ha, way to display irony dude.
Didn't realise you were American, Matt.
Racist
halfwit. To try and denigrate a person because they have a better education than you or indeed have made more of themselves than you have does not speak highly of you as a person. It is interesting that for a lot of the idiotic class war types an education is something to be sneered at. Yes his family's wealth has purchased him a good start in life - his ability and intelligence has mean that he has been able to convert his fortunate start in life into a good life.

I rather suspect that with half of these drooling SJW types if they were given the best possible start in life they'd still be societal rejects by their mid-20s and so their only recourse is to sneer - sad