Balanced Question Time panel tonight - of course not! VOL 2
Discussion
Cupramax said:
I sometimes wonder how someone who comes across so brilliantly now was such a monumental tory boy pleb when he was in government. Was there some sort of epiphany at some point when he lost his seat?
Indeed, I remember laughing when he lost his seat.I now listen closely to everything he has to say, he is usually bang on the money.
Halb said:
Double D is good...I think most entertainment will be from Lord Nuttals of El ALamein though, regaling us of the times he faced Napoleon in Australasia.
Thank youI genuinely spilt my late night cup of hot chocolate when I read this. Wife wondered why I was curled up with laughter at 3.15 in the morning
Brilliant.
You have a great weekend.
jsf said:
Well done Mr Portillo.
One thing that struck me as I watched this It's 20 years count em TWENTY YEARS (or if Diane was counting 6 decades) since Michael LOST his seat to Mr Twigg
I haven't watched Question Time but its fair to say when I catch it on the re run or on I player my viewing will be clouded by the brilliant " Lord Nuttals of El ALamein " description by Halb above
jsf said:
Fastchas said:
So...food banks...a lifeline for genuine poverty or an opportunity for wasters to get free food...?
Both.Usage will continue to grow because some people will take advantage of it.
To stop that would require the food banks to ensure only the genuinely needy can access the service. Not easy to do.
Not his best work but interesting.
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/inconvenient-truth-about-...
We have a very real and serious issue in the UK at the moment with genuine middle class families working the system to get as many benefits as they can.
The real issue is they don't see themselves as benefit scroungers, and while they don't see it they will continue as they think it is their right to have these paid out to them.
I have two sets of friends who have earned well, paid of their mortgages and now take a tiny wage and take Tax Credits.
One of them runs his own business, the other works a few hours a week doing IT stuff and earns peanuts from it.
Neither wife works, one says she is ill (she is not) the other seems to justify it saying she worked as a teacher for 10 years (whooopee fkin' do!) so has paid her bit in.
Neither would have it that they were benefit scroungers who had chosen benefits as a lifestyle choice. A long argument ensued and even though I have known them both for 30+ years I now find it very hard to even think about socialising with them.
The reason it even came up is because they were both talking about how awful the Tories are, and how 'We couldn't survive without tax credits".
Yeah you could, you would do what anyone else with a bit of self respect or moral dignity would do............get a job.
The tipping point for me was when she said her friend had to use a food bank just after Xmas. This turned out to be the same friend that bought their 4 kids PS4 Pros and Xbox's for xmas, went abroad on holiday in the summer and again at the October half term and has a new Nissan X-Trail on finance.
At the moment we have lots of left wingers screaming at how awful the Tories are, but things need to change, when we have a middle class society not even thinking what they are doing in regards to claiming benefits is wrong we have some serious issues. Welfare was a helping hand onto the ladder of life, not a lifestyle choice.
The real issue is they don't see themselves as benefit scroungers, and while they don't see it they will continue as they think it is their right to have these paid out to them.
I have two sets of friends who have earned well, paid of their mortgages and now take a tiny wage and take Tax Credits.
One of them runs his own business, the other works a few hours a week doing IT stuff and earns peanuts from it.
Neither wife works, one says she is ill (she is not) the other seems to justify it saying she worked as a teacher for 10 years (whooopee fkin' do!) so has paid her bit in.
Neither would have it that they were benefit scroungers who had chosen benefits as a lifestyle choice. A long argument ensued and even though I have known them both for 30+ years I now find it very hard to even think about socialising with them.
The reason it even came up is because they were both talking about how awful the Tories are, and how 'We couldn't survive without tax credits".
Yeah you could, you would do what anyone else with a bit of self respect or moral dignity would do............get a job.
The tipping point for me was when she said her friend had to use a food bank just after Xmas. This turned out to be the same friend that bought their 4 kids PS4 Pros and Xbox's for xmas, went abroad on holiday in the summer and again at the October half term and has a new Nissan X-Trail on finance.
At the moment we have lots of left wingers screaming at how awful the Tories are, but things need to change, when we have a middle class society not even thinking what they are doing in regards to claiming benefits is wrong we have some serious issues. Welfare was a helping hand onto the ladder of life, not a lifestyle choice.
gizlaroc said:
We have a very real and serious issue in the UK at the moment with genuine middle class families working the system to get as many benefits as they can.
The real issue is they don't see themselves as benefit scroungers, and while they don't see it they will continue as they think it is their right to have these paid out to them.
I have two sets of friends who have earned well, paid of their mortgages and now take a tiny wage and take Tax Credits.
One of them runs his own business, the other works a few hours a week doing IT stuff and earns peanuts from it.
Neither wife works, one says she is ill (she is not) the other seems to justify it saying she worked as a teacher for 10 years (whooopee fkin' do!) so has paid her bit in.
Neither would have it that they were benefit scroungers who had chosen benefits as a lifestyle choice. A long argument ensued and even though I have known them both for 30+ years I now find it very hard to even think about socialising with them.
The reason it even came up is because they were both talking about how awful the Tories are, and how 'We couldn't survive without tax credits".
Yeah you could, you would do what anyone else with a bit of self respect or moral dignity would do............get a job.
The tipping point for me was when she said her friend had to use a food bank just after Xmas. This turned out to be the same friend that bought their 4 kids PS4 Pros and Xbox's for xmas, went abroad on holiday in the summer and again at the October half term and has a new Nissan X-Trail on finance.
At the moment we have lots of left wingers screaming at how awful the Tories are, but things need to change, when we have a middle class society not even thinking what they are doing in regards to claiming benefits is wrong we have some serious issues. Welfare was a helping hand onto the ladder of life, not a lifestyle choice.
Fully agree - add to that the working class families that make a life on benefits who also only vote for more free stuff and the country needs to wake up to the unsustainable position it's walking itself into.The real issue is they don't see themselves as benefit scroungers, and while they don't see it they will continue as they think it is their right to have these paid out to them.
I have two sets of friends who have earned well, paid of their mortgages and now take a tiny wage and take Tax Credits.
One of them runs his own business, the other works a few hours a week doing IT stuff and earns peanuts from it.
Neither wife works, one says she is ill (she is not) the other seems to justify it saying she worked as a teacher for 10 years (whooopee fkin' do!) so has paid her bit in.
Neither would have it that they were benefit scroungers who had chosen benefits as a lifestyle choice. A long argument ensued and even though I have known them both for 30+ years I now find it very hard to even think about socialising with them.
The reason it even came up is because they were both talking about how awful the Tories are, and how 'We couldn't survive without tax credits".
Yeah you could, you would do what anyone else with a bit of self respect or moral dignity would do............get a job.
The tipping point for me was when she said her friend had to use a food bank just after Xmas. This turned out to be the same friend that bought their 4 kids PS4 Pros and Xbox's for xmas, went abroad on holiday in the summer and again at the October half term and has a new Nissan X-Trail on finance.
At the moment we have lots of left wingers screaming at how awful the Tories are, but things need to change, when we have a middle class society not even thinking what they are doing in regards to claiming benefits is wrong we have some serious issues. Welfare was a helping hand onto the ladder of life, not a lifestyle choice.
gizlaroc said:
We have a very real and serious issue in the UK at the moment with genuine middle class families working the system to get as many benefits as they can.
The real issue is they don't see themselves as benefit scroungers, and while they don't see it they will continue as they think it is their right to have these paid out to them.
I have two sets of friends who have earned well, paid of their mortgages and now take a tiny wage and take Tax Credits.
One of them runs his own business, the other works a few hours a week doing IT stuff and earns peanuts from it.
Neither wife works, one says she is ill (she is not) the other seems to justify it saying she worked as a teacher for 10 years (whooopee fkin' do!) so has paid her bit in.
Neither would have it that they were benefit scroungers who had chosen benefits as a lifestyle choice. A long argument ensued and even though I have known them both for 30+ years I now find it very hard to even think about socialising with them.
The reason it even came up is because they were both talking about how awful the Tories are, and how 'We couldn't survive without tax credits".
Yeah you could, you would do what anyone else with a bit of self respect or moral dignity would do............get a job.
The tipping point for me was when she said her friend had to use a food bank just after Xmas. This turned out to be the same friend that bought their 4 kids PS4 Pros and Xbox's for xmas, went abroad on holiday in the summer and again at the October half term and has a new Nissan X-Trail on finance.
At the moment we have lots of left wingers screaming at how awful the Tories are, but things need to change, when we have a middle class society not even thinking what they are doing in regards to claiming benefits is wrong we have some serious issues. Welfare was a helping hand onto the ladder of life, not a lifestyle choice.
Also agree , not sure what we can do but maybe calling it something like state assistance rather than benefits might help...The real issue is they don't see themselves as benefit scroungers, and while they don't see it they will continue as they think it is their right to have these paid out to them.
I have two sets of friends who have earned well, paid of their mortgages and now take a tiny wage and take Tax Credits.
One of them runs his own business, the other works a few hours a week doing IT stuff and earns peanuts from it.
Neither wife works, one says she is ill (she is not) the other seems to justify it saying she worked as a teacher for 10 years (whooopee fkin' do!) so has paid her bit in.
Neither would have it that they were benefit scroungers who had chosen benefits as a lifestyle choice. A long argument ensued and even though I have known them both for 30+ years I now find it very hard to even think about socialising with them.
The reason it even came up is because they were both talking about how awful the Tories are, and how 'We couldn't survive without tax credits".
Yeah you could, you would do what anyone else with a bit of self respect or moral dignity would do............get a job.
The tipping point for me was when she said her friend had to use a food bank just after Xmas. This turned out to be the same friend that bought their 4 kids PS4 Pros and Xbox's for xmas, went abroad on holiday in the summer and again at the October half term and has a new Nissan X-Trail on finance.
At the moment we have lots of left wingers screaming at how awful the Tories are, but things need to change, when we have a middle class society not even thinking what they are doing in regards to claiming benefits is wrong we have some serious issues. Welfare was a helping hand onto the ladder of life, not a lifestyle choice.
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