Man in Scotland arrested over dog's 'Nazi salute'.
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Globs said:
There are some interesting details - as in every narrative that we are taught.
For instance, Churchill, De Gaulle and Eisenhower wrote in total around 7,000 pages of journals, notes and memoirs of WWII, yet apparently failed to mention the gas chambers. Perhaps someone here can point me to where one of them does mention it?
Churchill was quite vociferous during the war in highlighting known Nazi atrocities - shootings mass deportations etc. It was not until early 1944 that the first eye witness reports of what was happening at Auschwitz reached the allies, so it is hardly surprising that Churchill did not write about something that he was not aware of before that time. For instance, Churchill, De Gaulle and Eisenhower wrote in total around 7,000 pages of journals, notes and memoirs of WWII, yet apparently failed to mention the gas chambers. Perhaps someone here can point me to where one of them does mention it?
There is a mountain of evidence within easy reach of your keyboard...
thoughHonestly the more I see it the more I genuinely believe there is a form of mental illness underlying the attractiveness of grand conspiracy theories. The fact that governments like our own or the US can't organise and run basic things to a reasonable level of competence seems to escape all the conspiracy theorists.
NJH said:
Honestly the more I see it the more I genuinely believe there is a form of mental illness underlying the attractiveness of grand conspiracy theories. The fact that governments like our own or the US can't organise and run basic things to a reasonable level of competence seems to escape all the conspiracy theorists.
The September 11th ones are the best. Think of the planning and number of people who'd need to be involved for that to be an inside job and it just so happens not one of them has ever leaked anything...Patrick Bateman said:
NJH said:
Honestly the more I see it the more I genuinely believe there is a form of mental illness underlying the attractiveness of grand conspiracy theories. The fact that governments like our own or the US can't organise and run basic things to a reasonable level of competence seems to escape all the conspiracy theorists.
The September 11th ones are the best. Think of the planning and number of people who'd need to be involved for that to be an inside job and it just so happens not one of them has ever leaked anything...Or the flat earth theory, where NASA, every world government and everyone working in the aviation industry are all conspiring to hide the fact from us, because.............reasons?
Hadn't heard about this until I saw Pie's latest video:-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ti2bVS40cz0
and I think he's bang on the money in his summation.
Definitely NSFW, btw!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ti2bVS40cz0
and I think he's bang on the money in his summation.
Definitely NSFW, btw!
dangerousB said:
Hadn't heard about this until I saw Pie's latest video:-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ti2bVS40cz0
and I think he's bang on the money in his summation.
Definitely NSFW, btw!
brilliant and bang on the money ? i wonder where would i get the arresting officer and judges email addresses so i can send them this ?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ti2bVS40cz0
and I think he's bang on the money in his summation.
Definitely NSFW, btw!
don't know if signing these things makes any difference , but hey ho. https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/203615
Create a Freedom of Speech Act and Bring an End to "Hate Speech" laws
For several years now the government has been infringing peoples' most basic rights to speak freely on matters, by deeming their speech "offensive" or "hateful" and declaring that such speech, even online, warrants being fined or jailed. This is an outrage.
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We demand the legal right to Free Speech, in an Act which will bring an end to the ludicrous notion that "hate speech" and "offensive speech" deserves people be imprisoned or charged. In short, an Act to codify the citizens' right to freedom of speech without government intervention.
Ideas must be fought with other ideas, not with force.
Naturally this precludes that the current laws criminalizing "hate speech" be rescinded.
Create a Freedom of Speech Act and Bring an End to "Hate Speech" laws
For several years now the government has been infringing peoples' most basic rights to speak freely on matters, by deeming their speech "offensive" or "hateful" and declaring that such speech, even online, warrants being fined or jailed. This is an outrage.
More details
We demand the legal right to Free Speech, in an Act which will bring an end to the ludicrous notion that "hate speech" and "offensive speech" deserves people be imprisoned or charged. In short, an Act to codify the citizens' right to freedom of speech without government intervention.
Ideas must be fought with other ideas, not with force.
Naturally this precludes that the current laws criminalizing "hate speech" be rescinded.
A comment below says of a similar incident where a dog raised its paw to the word Hitler. It appears that the Nazis didn't convict him for it though......
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jackie_(dog)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jackie_(dog)
dangerousB said:
Hadn't heard about this until I saw Pie's latest video:-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ti2bVS40cz0
and I think he's bang on the money in his summation.
Definitely NSFW, btw!
Sometimes, he gets it just right.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ti2bVS40cz0
and I think he's bang on the money in his summation.
Definitely NSFW, btw!
Indeed, where were the comedians and politicians that should have been, in fact must be speaking out in cases like this?
You are next...
wc98 said:
brilliant and bang on the money?
Where did I say "brilliant"?Jonathan Pie said:
Some people found this offensive - understandable. This video got shared 3,000,000 times on Youtube with lots of inane comments like "LOL" underneath. Clearly some people found it funny.
What does this tell you?
It tells you that both offence and humour are subjective . . . the prosecution said that context and intent are irrelevant and the judge agreed.
Without context, of course it's not funny. In context, it's a cute little pug dog responding to one of the worst things you could ever say - that's the f***ing point, it's a joke.
My bold - I think context and intent are entirely relevant and JP's reference to this is, IMO, "bang on the money".You?What does this tell you?
It tells you that both offence and humour are subjective . . . the prosecution said that context and intent are irrelevant and the judge agreed.
Without context, of course it's not funny. In context, it's a cute little pug dog responding to one of the worst things you could ever say - that's the f***ing point, it's a joke.
wc98 said:
i wonder where would i get the arresting officer and judges email addresses so i can send them this ?
The local nick and Sheriff's Court would probably be good places to start - give 'em a Google. Good luck in your quest for whatever it is you're trying to achieve with that.Goaty Bill 2 said:
Sometimes, he gets it just right.
Indeed, where were the comedians and politicians that should have been, in fact must be speaking out in cases like this?
You are next...
Also think this, think it's only Ricky Gervais who as said something about it. Indeed, where were the comedians and politicians that should have been, in fact must be speaking out in cases like this?
You are next...
They should be calling for a boycott of the Edinburgh Fringe Festival as Scotland doesn't seem a very welcoming place for comedy and free expression.
But no nothing we live in a world of cowards who are petrified of wrong think.
Not-The-Messiah said:
Goaty Bill 2 said:
Sometimes, he gets it just right.
Indeed, where were the comedians and politicians that should have been, in fact must be speaking out in cases like this?
You are next...
Also think this, think it's only Ricky Gervais who as said something about it. Indeed, where were the comedians and politicians that should have been, in fact must be speaking out in cases like this?
You are next...
They should be calling for a boycott of the Edinburgh Fringe Festival as Scotland doesn't seem a very welcoming place for comedy and free expression.
But no nothing we live in a world of cowards who are petrified of wrong think.
jsc15 said:
Believe me, there's just as much annoyance here in Scotland about this than anywhere else. The Edinburgh Fringe may pose some interesting challenges for comedians AND the law if Dankula is jailed. This isn't going away
I certainly hope so, and the best of luck to you.I haven't spent any great amount of time in Scotland, only a few months in Aberdeen on a contract, and a couple of social visits. But it doesn't strike me that this result is 'normal think' for the Scots.
Some serious political rot has set in. It is time to end this domination by the fish people and their party, though I recognise that the alternatives are indeed grim.
"Man Found Guilty of a Hate Crime After Attempting to Teach Girlfriend's Pet Dog to Raise Nazi Salute (Dog Refuses)"
I swear if one was to have presented ^ that to a Sunday Sport editor back in the day as a proposed "scoop", you'd have been laughed out of the office and handed your P45.
I've watched the video, and - yes - it's poorly judged and, yes, he was a bit daft posting it up on a public domain. Yet, in context, it's just a bloke at home trying to make a dog do a trick to annoy his GF.
I swear if one was to have presented ^ that to a Sunday Sport editor back in the day as a proposed "scoop", you'd have been laughed out of the office and handed your P45.
I've watched the video, and - yes - it's poorly judged and, yes, he was a bit daft posting it up on a public domain. Yet, in context, it's just a bloke at home trying to make a dog do a trick to annoy his GF.
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