The 'No to the EU' campaign Vol 2

[Mr GrimNasty]

It's just politics these days isn't it, it doesn't matter how big the lies, if it gets the policy they want, it's seen as justified.

[TEKNOPUG]

And if we are doing memes, this is how I feel every day I wake up and turn on the news....

[don4l]

Latest ICM poll, out today:-


Leave 48% (+1)
Remain 43% (-1)

The outlandish claims of the remainers are affecting the vote. The public are clearly fed up with all the lies.

[BoRED S2upid]

don4l said:

Latest ICM poll, out today:-


Leave 48% (+1)
Remain 43% (-1)

The outlandish claims of the remainers are affecting the vote. The public are clearly fed up with all the lies.

Has anyone kept a list of all the terrible things that are going to happen if we leave? It would make good reading as I'm sure there are plenty more to come.

[don'tbesilly]

don4l said:

Latest ICM poll, out today:-


Leave 48% (+1)
Remain 43% (-1)

The outlandish claims of the remainers are affecting the vote. The public are clearly fed up with all the lies.

I think it's important that the leave campaign don't let on that their secret weapon in securing a successful exit from the EU is David Cameron.
Every time he makes a speech with more scaremongering he puts one more nail in the remain coffin.

[don4l]

Looking at the recent opinion polls, I think that Dave Cameron needs to start planning an exit strategy.

Pickfords will be able to assist. They tell me that they have a couple of vans available on June 24th.

http://www.pickfords.co.uk/

[confused_buyer]

I'd expect some sort of major reaction from Downing Street in the next few days.

If you remember the Scottish Referendum it took just one single isolated poll putting "Yes" ahead to provoke outright panic.

I can only paraphrase "Yes, Prime Minister":

Humphrey: "Oh course, in the old days we'd have just sent in a gun boat or started a small war to distract attention"
Hacker: "I suppose that is totally out of the question, is it?"



Seriously though this thing is far from over, on both sides.

[confused_buyer]

don4l said:

Latest ICM poll, out today:-


Leave 48% (+1)
Remain 43% (-1)

The outlandish claims of the remainers are affecting the vote. The public are clearly fed up with all the lies.

Out of interest, do these polls take account of Northern Ireland as mainland GB polls usually do not and the assumption is they will favour Remain?

If it gets really close it could be the voters in Gibraltar who decide the UK's fate!

[chris watton]

It would be nice to think that the majority of voters were/are not taken in by Cameron's fantastical claims (I would assume that, whatever the outcome, he is toast, as he hasn't exactly covered himself with glory), and the leave vote wins. I can understand why a lot of Left leaning people like the EU (and with respect, that also include Derek Smith), as they like nothing more than big, intrusive government. What could be bigger than the EU! Of course they love it. I just hope that they are in the slight minority. But won't hold my breath...

[Pan Pan Pan]

chris watton said:

It would be nice to think that the majority of voters were/are not taken in by Cameron's fantastical claims (I would assume that, whatever the outcome, he is toast, as he hasn't exactly covered himself with glory), and the leave vote wins. I can understand why a lot of Left leaning people like the EU (and with respect, that also include Derek Smith), as they like nothing more than big, intrusive government. What could be bigger than the EU! Of course they love it. I just hope that they are in the slight minority. But won't hold my breath...

I intend take a photo of my completed ballot paper on the 23rd, before putting it in the box (unless there is a valid/legal reason for me not to?) I would suggest that all voters (regardless of which they will vote) do likewise.
Given the remain / government campaigns efforts to scare the voting public into voting the way `it' wants, I find myself, for the first time in my life unable to trust what happens to my vote after it has been placed. The fact that this has happened with the Tories in No 10 makes this an all the more depressing thing to have to do.

[Zod]

Pan Pan Pan said:

chris watton said:

It would be nice to think that the majority of voters were/are not taken in by Cameron's fantastical claims (I would assume that, whatever the outcome, he is toast, as he hasn't exactly covered himself with glory), and the leave vote wins. I can understand why a lot of Left leaning people like the EU (and with respect, that also include Derek Smith), as they like nothing more than big, intrusive government. What could be bigger than the EU! Of course they love it. I just hope that they are in the slight minority. But won't hold my breath...

I intend take a photo of my completed ballot paper on the 23rd, before putting it in the box (unless there is a valid/legal reason for me not to?) I would suggest that all voters (regardless of which they will vote) do likewise.
Given the remain / government campaigns efforts to scare the voting public into voting the way `it' wants, I find myself, for the first time in my life unable to trust what happens to my vote after it has been placed. The fact that this has happened with the Tories in No 10 makes this an all the more depressing thing to have to do.

What will your photo prove?

[confused_buyer]

Pan Pan Pan said:

I intend take a photo of my completed ballot paper on the 23rd, before putting it in the box (unless there is a valid/legal reason for me not to?) I would suggest that all voters (regardless of which they will vote) do likewise.

If you're that worried about it approach your local Leave (or Remain if inclined) organisation and offer to be a count watcher. You can then be there when the boxes are opened and watch what they do with them. They'll get you a ticket for the count and you can sit opposite the person counting and see very closely what happens.

Far more use than photographing a ballot paper.

[Puggit]

Apparently with the poll momentum favouring 'leave', the government has swung in to action and targeted non-registered voters.

There has been a massive swing in new registrations, particularly for younger voters. Of course, younger voters tend to believe what they are told and err to the left wing side of things - and favour 'remain'.

[Murph7355]

Polls mean nowt as we found out last year.

Everyone who has an opinion should get out and vote. The higher the turnout the better.

[Beati Dogu]

My worry is the postal vote system is wide open to abuse.

There's a reason the last Labour regime expanded it to be like that and why the Tories have still not reformed it.

[jmorgan]

Beati Dogu said:

My worry is the postal vote system is wide open to abuse.

There's a reason the last Labour regime expanded it to be like that and why the Tories have still not reformed it.

Think we are stuck with that, I need a postal vote as I am often working away. But then I don't need someone to fill mine in for me......

[CrutyRammers]

Einion Yrth said:

Puggit said:

To be fair to Derek, I would have pencilled him in as a Remain vote a long time ago,

To be marginally less fair I think he may have been the only one who thought he was undecided.

No, I think that's quite fair.

[markh1973]

Zod said:

Pan Pan Pan said:

chris watton said:

It would be nice to think that the majority of voters were/are not taken in by Cameron's fantastical claims (I would assume that, whatever the outcome, he is toast, as he hasn't exactly covered himself with glory), and the leave vote wins. I can understand why a lot of Left leaning people like the EU (and with respect, that also include Derek Smith), as they like nothing more than big, intrusive government. What could be bigger than the EU! Of course they love it. I just hope that they are in the slight minority. But won't hold my breath...

I intend take a photo of my completed ballot paper on the 23rd, before putting it in the box (unless there is a valid/legal reason for me not to?) I would suggest that all voters (regardless of which they will vote) do likewise.
Given the remain / government campaigns efforts to scare the voting public into voting the way `it' wants, I find myself, for the first time in my life unable to trust what happens to my vote after it has been placed. The fact that this has happened with the Tories in No 10 makes this an all the more depressing thing to have to do.

What will your photo prove?

Not only will it nor prove anything but it's almost certainly illegal

http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsround/32607892

[Pan Pan Pan]

Zod said:

Pan Pan Pan said:

chris watton said:

It would be nice to think that the majority of voters were/are not taken in by Cameron's fantastical claims (I would assume that, whatever the outcome, he is toast, as he hasn't exactly covered himself with glory), and the leave vote wins. I can understand why a lot of Left leaning people like the EU (and with respect, that also include Derek Smith), as they like nothing more than big, intrusive government. What could be bigger than the EU! Of course they love it. I just hope that they are in the slight minority. But won't hold my breath...

I intend take a photo of my completed ballot paper on the 23rd, before putting it in the box (unless there is a valid/legal reason for me not to?) I would suggest that all voters (regardless of which they will vote) do likewise.
Given the remain / government campaigns efforts to scare the voting public into voting the way `it' wants, I find myself, for the first time in my life unable to trust what happens to my vote after it has been placed. The fact that this has happened with the Tories in No 10 makes this an all the more depressing thing to have to do.

What will your photo prove?

It will be able to prove to anyone who ``might' be interested which way I voted, and be in my back pocket if the need to prove which way I voted ever comes up. That is all.
I have a deep `suspicion' that the vote will somehow be rigged, not unlike other countries which were made to vote several times until the EU got the answer `it' wanted.
As the UK`s continued membership may be even more important to the EU, than those countries, I cannot see why they would not want the UK to vote or continue voting until the EU gets the answer it, and not the people of the UK wants.

[OzzyR1]

don4l said:

Latest ICM poll, out today:-


Leave 48% (+1)
Remain 43% (-1)

The outlandish claims of the remainers are affecting the vote. The public are clearly fed up with all the lies.

If these polls are a true reflection, its strange that the bookies are favouring a remain vote even more heavily than they did a couple of weeks ago...