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I don’t know why some are having such difficulty with this attack.
Politics has become very divisive.
Tommy and Farage with milkshakes - about which many here were outraged.
Now Jones on the other side. Some taking real joy.
You’d have hoped most normal people would condone both attacks, but no. Some of the statements applauding his kicking are really quite remarkable. That there is even a thread here about punching people, and Owen features and with some enthusiastic posters who would reduce their “fists to stumps” - taking such pleasure at the thought of beating him is really rather sad.
Politics has become very divisive.
Tommy and Farage with milkshakes - about which many here were outraged.
Now Jones on the other side. Some taking real joy.
You’d have hoped most normal people would condone both attacks, but no. Some of the statements applauding his kicking are really quite remarkable. That there is even a thread here about punching people, and Owen features and with some enthusiastic posters who would reduce their “fists to stumps” - taking such pleasure at the thought of beating him is really rather sad.
DeepEnd said:
I don’t know why some are having such difficulty with this attack.
I do. Many think Jones is a knob head, which to no great relevance he is imo & therefore are willing to set aside basic common decency to a greater or lesser extent in excusing, justifying, discounting or 'explaining' (a personal favourite) a guy getting a kicking. A kicking which some have doubted was an actual kicking, with actual injuries and assisted by apparently miraculous powers of recovery (see below as well as above).amusingduck said:
Any actual evidence yet?
You're either happy to see people beaten in the streets because you don't like them/their politics/their gobbyness/sexual orientation or you're not but you don't get to pick & choose which aspects of civil society to support, it really is that simple.
Eric Mc said:
I just heard that. Whatever sympathy one has for someone who has been physically assaulted, he certainly knows how to go about losing any such sympathy.
In general terms, I do think he has a point about the rise of the radical, angry and dangerous right - but he just goes about it the wrong way. The academic who was also interviewed was for more rational.
The particular hypocrisy with Owen being that he himself is a radical, divisive figure who bloats every perceived slight as the end of days and blames any, all and even imaginary societal ills on 'the far-right'; the 'far-right' usually being your average Joe in most cases. In general terms, I do think he has a point about the rise of the radical, angry and dangerous right - but he just goes about it the wrong way. The academic who was also interviewed was for more rational.
He's done nothing to help society, he just makes it worse - and I'd wager that it's rhetoric like his and countless others who indulge themselves in the 'hate economy' that is leading to a presentation of a catastrophic world view - that leads to an increase in worries and concerns about imagined problems that lead to mental health conditions like anxiety, frustration, anger and depression; a very ignoble character.
banjowilly said:
amusingduck said:
Any actual evidence yet?
You're either happy to see people beaten in the streets because you don't like them/their politics/their gobbyness/sexual orientation or you're not but you don't get to pick & choose which aspects of civil society to support, it really is that simple.
amusingduck said:
banjowilly said:
amusingduck said:
Any actual evidence yet?
You're either happy to see people beaten in the streets because you don't like them/their politics/their gobbyness/sexual orientation or you're not but you don't get to pick & choose which aspects of civil society to support, it really is that simple.
DeepEnd said:
I don’t know why some are having such difficulty with this attack.
Politics has become very divisive.
Tommy and Farage with milkshakes - about which many here were outraged.
Now Jones on the other side. Some taking real joy.
You’d have hoped most normal people would condone both attacks, but no. Some of the statements applauding his kicking are really quite remarkable. That there is even a thread here about punching people, and Owen features and with some enthusiastic posters who would reduce their “fists to stumps” - taking such pleasure at the thought of beating him is really rather sad.
Because we saw the milkshake aftermath and who threw them. Same with the Corbyn egg. All we've seen from Jones is a few tiny scratches that he could have got from walking into a lamppost, no real description of the perpetrator(s), and him milking the event more than Dairy Crest milk their cows?Politics has become very divisive.
Tommy and Farage with milkshakes - about which many here were outraged.
Now Jones on the other side. Some taking real joy.
You’d have hoped most normal people would condone both attacks, but no. Some of the statements applauding his kicking are really quite remarkable. That there is even a thread here about punching people, and Owen features and with some enthusiastic posters who would reduce their “fists to stumps” - taking such pleasure at the thought of beating him is really rather sad.
Eric Mc said:
I just heard that. Whatever sympathy one has for someone who has been physically assaulted, he certainly knows how to go about losing any such sympathy.
In general terms, I do think he has a point about the rise of the radical, angry and dangerous right - but he just goes about it the wrong way. The academic who was also interviewed was for more rational.
Although, in fairness to Owen Jones - and that’s not a phrase you’ll often hear me say - the academic wasn’t the one who got his head kicked in outside a pub 36 hours previouslyIn general terms, I do think he has a point about the rise of the radical, angry and dangerous right - but he just goes about it the wrong way. The academic who was also interviewed was for more rational.
amusingduck said:
Not at all, I'd simply like to see the evidence that it was politically motivated before accepting the premise. Not a difficult concept
Except it is. It was reported to the Police & now it's an investigation. What you want to see is neither here nor there. What you really want though is to promote the suggestion it's a Smollet style set up because as spelt out above in some detail, you are one of the hordes on the right who just don't like the man & pick holes in his account to undermine him in accordance with your personal distaste. You don't get to choose Ducky, I could not have said it clearer.The point at which you get to throw shade is when this is exposed as a fake. Imo before then, it's tacit acceptance he had it coming & you should think on the implications of that attitude.
banjowilly said:
amusingduck said:
Not at all, I'd simply like to see the evidence that it was politically motivated before accepting the premise. Not a difficult concept
Except it is. It was reported to the Police & now it's an investigation. What you want to see is neither here nor there. What you really want though is to promote the suggestion it's a Smollet style set up because as spelt out above in some detail, you are one of the hordes on the right who just don't like the man & pick holes in his account to undermine him in accordance with your personal distaste. You don't get to choose Ducky, I could not have said it clearer.The point at which you get to throw shade is when this is exposed as a fake. Imo before then, it's tacit acceptance he had it coming & you should think on the implications of that attitude.
I haven't picked holes, I don't think it's a set up, and I fully believe that he was assaulted. I will accept that it was a politically motivated attack when I see the evidence, which shouldn't be difficult as the type of person to attack someone for their views is almost certainly the type of person that would leave an online trail of previous abuse/intent etc.
Paul Dishman said:
Jones has just been on the Today programme blaming Brexit, Donald Trump, Tommy Robinson, followers of Anders Brevik, Brexit supporters, Boris Johnson and Uncle Tom Cobbleigh and all for his attack
That's his angle. He said in the interview he was attacked by the Far Right, and then, referencing the Far Right, he said, 'they' killed Jo Cox, 'they' rammed a crowd at a Mosque, 'they' plotted to murder another MP.He then went on to imply that Trump is Far Right, and Boris is of the same ilk.
Its all a narrative to demonise anybody with an opposite view of his Far Left....
Funny he doesn't refer to 'they' as in Muslims when there is a Terrorist attack, its an individual, with mental issues.
Trax said:
That's his angle. He said in the interview he was attacked by the Far Right, and then, referencing the Far Right, he said, 'they' killed Jo Cox, 'they' rammed a crowd at a Mosque, 'they' plotted to murder another MP.
He then went on to imply that Trump is Far Right, and Boris is of the same ilk.
Its all a narrative to demonise anybody with an opposite view of his Far Left....
Funny he doesn't refer to 'they' as in Muslims when there is a Terrorist attack, its an individual, with mental issues.
He is almost as bad as Farage, it’s true. He then went on to imply that Trump is Far Right, and Boris is of the same ilk.
Its all a narrative to demonise anybody with an opposite view of his Far Left....
Funny he doesn't refer to 'they' as in Muslims when there is a Terrorist attack, its an individual, with mental issues.
I wonder if the OJ critics & would be face-punchers here can see the parallels?
Gameface said:
He didn't get his "head kicked in" though did he?
Not even close.
Well... he left the pub at 3am. Not even close.
then:
"kicked me in the back, threw me on the ground, slamming my head, and kicked me in the skull."
I hope he went to hospital, to get the 'big bump; and his 'cut back' checked over before starting his Twitter thread at 8.26am that morning.
Political violence is wrong. So I hope he recovers quickly and gets himself back on the telly.
Oh! He has. cool. Brave soldier.
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