Owen Jones

[Gameface]

Don't know why people are getting all high and mighty about such an insignificant altercation.
He barely had a mark on him. People have worse rows on sports fields every weekend.

It's only newsworthy because Jones being Jones made it so, by setting the narrative from the beginning with all his talk of it being motivated by political reasons (with military precision, don't forget) and/or homophobia.

I'd imagine they didn't have a clue who he was. Jones vastly overestimates his own importance.

[BigMon]

I think Owen Jones is a prize tt, but some of the whataboutism on this thread is breathtaking. It it was some right wing equivalent instead of Jones I suspect the same posters would be up in arms, puce faced with spittle flecking their keyboards as they hammered the keys in a rage.

I don't think there is ever a point where it's OK to physically assault someone and I'd love to see these cases of 'provocation' where a judge has handed down a not guilty because someone got a bit shouty and deserved to be assaulted.

Some of you desperately need to give your heads a wobble.

[Gameface]

amongst other things I supply door teams. You said you worked on doors, so I'm sure you understand how minor this whole thing is, in the grand scheme of things.

[biggbn]

garyhun said:

biggbn said:

Countdown said:

garyhun said:

Missing the point by a country mile. It seems to be the posting style of many on here when they want to mould the facts to fit their agenda.

Just to be clear - getting a slap for being a tt comes after all attempts at diplomacy fail, not as a first resort. Bit like life in general I guess, you reach a point when only a slap will stop the rot.

When "all diplomacy fails" why not try walking away?

Perhaps his knuckles get in the way?

Bless you and your completely inaccurate image of me. I am touched by your concern though

No problem, meant in good humour brother man.

[Randy Winkman]

Gameface said:

Don't know why people are getting all high and mighty about such an insignificant altercation.
He barely had a mark on him. People have worse rows on sports fields every weekend.

It's only newsworthy because Jones being Jones made it so, by setting the narrative from the beginning with all his talk of it being motivated by political reasons (with military precision, don't forget) and/or homophobia.

I'd imagine they didn't have a clue who he was. Jones vastly overestimates his own importance.

And people do boxing, karate etc ….. so what?

[biggbn]

Gameface said:

amongst other things I supply door teams. You said you worked on doors, so I'm sure you understand how minor this whole thing is, in the grand scheme of things.

I have run doors for thirty years now and still stand out in the cold on a weekend, so yes, I know how annoying some people are..and am more than aware of the consequence of giving them a slap. Yes, this is a minor incident in the grand scheme of things, but let's suppose you got a call or email about one of your team who had slapped a customer and his excuse was, well he was being a bit mouthy...hiw would you react? What would happen to the employee? Are they representing you, and our industry well? I teach both physical intervention and conflict management and am sure you agree, the industry has evolved hugely over the years. It is no longer acceptable, as many including myself used to do, to give someone a slap on principle alone. Bye bye licence, bye bye job.

[Gameface]

biggbn said:

Gameface said:

amongst other things I supply door teams. You said you worked on doors, so I'm sure you understand how minor this whole thing is, in the grand scheme of things.

I have run doors for thirty years now and still stand out in the cold on a weekend, so yes, I know how annoying some people are..and am more than aware of the consequence of giving them a slap. Yes, this is a minor incident in the grand scheme of things, but let's suppose you got a call or email about one of your team who had slapped a customer and his excuse was, well he was being a bit mouthy...hiw would you react? What would happen to the employee? Are they representing you, and our industry well? I teach both physical intervention and conflict management and am sure you agree, the industry has evolved hugely over the years. It is no longer acceptable, as many including myself used to do, to give someone a slap on principle alone. Bye bye licence, bye bye job.

Yes, it's evolved massively. It used to be like the fking wild west on a Friday night on some of our doors. Weapons were always within reach just inside the door etc

But this incident was punters on punters (no doormen involved). They'd all had a drink, words were exchanged, and one group got a bit handy.

You and I both know if Jones was properly jumped by 3 blokes he'd have been battered.

He barely had a scratch.

As I'm sure you know, nowadays flicking someone on the forehead is considered assault now. fking ridiculous.

I was in court myself last month, for assault. The witnesses didn't turn up. I was in the dock for two minutes as the case was being thrown out. Waste of everyone's time.

This is all because Jones likes to be the centre of attention, and it wouldn't surprise me if that's what started the confrontation in the first place.

[anonymous-user]

biggbn said:

garyhun said:

biggbn said:

Countdown said:

garyhun said:

Missing the point by a country mile. It seems to be the posting style of many on here when they want to mould the facts to fit their agenda.

Just to be clear - getting a slap for being a tt comes after all attempts at diplomacy fail, not as a first resort. Bit like life in general I guess, you reach a point when only a slap will stop the rot.

When "all diplomacy fails" why not try walking away?

Perhaps his knuckles get in the way?

Bless you and your completely inaccurate image of me. I am touched by your concern though

No problem, meant in good humour brother man.

Let’s be honest, this is the Internet, we have no idea what people are like so how can it be anything else but good humour.

Peace on Earth and goodwill to all

[JagLover]

Randy Winkman said:

JagLover said:

Lentilist said:

Comparing this event to the recent incident with couple on the bus, there does seem to be a definite pattern...

Didn't happen
Did happen, suggest "more to this than is being reported"
Blame victim - race/ gender / other "card", or just character in general
Charges brought - "waste of time", criticise police / CPS
Admission of guilt - commence whataboutery, false equivalence
Conviction - criticise judiciary
Claim verdict is politically motivated
Liberal elite
Blame everyone but the perpetrators

Makes you wonder why some choose to hand around such a despicable place....except of course most of the above is b*llox in terms of representing the majority of posts made.

Both Jones and the girls on the bus tried to blame mysterious right wing extremists for their respective assaults and both seem to have been talking complete rubbish when they did so.

Jones got a slap because he is a Tw*t and the girls on the bus were hassled by some urban youths.

Do you "slap" people for being a tt?

Were they not quite specifically hassled because of their homosexuality?

I do not slap anyone, but given how Owen Jones comes across the (blessedly) few times I have seen him in the media it doesn't not surprise me that a few more excitable types gave him some light grazing one night. He would probably drive Mother Theresa to violence.

I have far more sympathy for the girls who were attacked on the bus (as I said on their thread at the time) but far less for their attempts to politicise it after the fact. They met a gang of yoof who got leary and also stole some of their possessions. Attempts to link it to Brexit (which the girls did) or homophobia were well wide of the mark IMO.

If we are talking about fake news often we are talking about the interpretation of events and often things are misrepresented to push an agenda in my view.

[biggbn]

garyhun said:

biggbn said:

garyhun said:

biggbn said:

Countdown said:

garyhun said:

Missing the point by a country mile. It seems to be the posting style of many on here when they want to mould the facts to fit their agenda.

Just to be clear - getting a slap for being a tt comes after all attempts at diplomacy fail, not as a first resort. Bit like life in general I guess, you reach a point when only a slap will stop the rot.

When "all diplomacy fails" why not try walking away?

Perhaps his knuckles get in the way?

Bless you and your completely inaccurate image of me. I am touched by your concern though

No problem, meant in good humour brother man.

Let’s be honest, this is the Internet, we have no idea what people are like so how can it be anything else but good humour.

Peace on Earth and goodwill to all

Peace indeed, have a great evening!!

[biggbn]

Gameface said:

Yes, it's evolved massively. It used to be like the fking wild west on a Friday night on some of our doors. Weapons were always within reach just inside the door etc

But this incident was punters on punters (no doormen involved). They'd all had a drink, words were exchanged, and one group got a bit handy.

You and I both know if Jones was properly jumped by 3 blokes he'd have been battered.

He barely had a scratch.

As I'm sure you know, nowadays flicking someone on the forehead is considered assault now. fking ridiculous.

I was in court myself last month, for assault. The witnesses didn't turn up. I was in the dock for two minutes as the case was being thrown out. Waste of everyone's time.

This is all because Jones likes to be the centre of attention, and it wouldn't surprise me if that's what started the confrontation in the first place.

I quite often think it's about perspective. Guys who have been around violence for years will look at an incident like this and think, grow a pair. But for some, like, I suspect, Jones, violence is an abstract concept that they rattle on about without having experienced, and when they do experience it they have that epiphany moment we all have. Difference being, and I have seen loads like him, Jones now believes he HAS been ASSAULTED. And the law agrees with him. Like it or lump it we must operate within these parameters. None of which changes my mind that it is no longer, hell it never was, acceptable to give someone a slap for verbals.

[jakesmith]

biggbn said:

I quite often think it's about perspective. Guys who have been around violence for years will look at an incident like this and think, grow a pair. But for some, like, I suspect, Jones, violence is an abstract concept that they rattle on about without having experienced, and when they do experience it they have that epiphany moment we all have. Difference being, and I have seen loads like him, Jones now believes he HAS been ASSAULTED. And the law agrees with him. Like it or lump it we must operate within these parameters. None of which changes my mind that it is no longer, hell it never was, acceptable to give someone a slap for verbals.

Mate we find ourselves in agreement yet again- as someone who coaches doormen in how to retain control of a situation- we both know how dangerous a mad and stupid person can be to public order. That stupid idiot in this case is not Owen Jones but the aggressors who seemed to want to harm him. What were they thinking! But that being said, absolutely fine to wish violence on non violent people who oppose him.

[biggbn]

jakesmith said:

biggbn said:

I quite often think it's about perspective. Guys who have been around violence for years will look at an incident like this and think, grow a pair. But for some, like, I suspect, Jones, violence is an abstract concept that they rattle on about without having experienced, and when they do experience it they have that epiphany moment we all have. Difference being, and I have seen loads like him, Jones now believes he HAS been ASSAULTED. And the law agrees with him. Like it or lump it we must operate within these parameters. None of which changes my mind that it is no longer, hell it never was, acceptable to give someone a slap for verbals.

Mate we find ourselves in agreement yet again- as someone who coaches doormen in how to retain control of a situation- we both know how dangerous a mad and stupid person can be to public order. That stupid idiot in this case is not Owen Jones but the aggressors who seemed to want to harm him. What were they thinking! But that being said, absolutely fine to wish violence on non violent people who oppose him.

Let's not let this become a habit Jake!!

[jakesmith]

biggbn said:

Let's not let this become a habit Jake!!

I’m very left wing actually- enough to vote conservative, for Boris’ program of social help for all. I would have voted Labour to help all, but followed your lead- out of the party and away from the nutters. Thanks

[Smollet]

Jones is a very annoying tt. I don’t condone giving him a slap but I’m not surprised it’s happened

[Burwood]

Smollet said:

Jones is a very annoying tt. I don’t condone giving him a slap but I’m not surprised it’s happened

You can talk-making st up about a noose

[Drihump Trolomite]

Gameface said:

Yes, it's evolved massively. It used to be like the fking wild west on a Friday night on some of our doors. Weapons were always within reach just inside the door etc

But this incident was punters on punters (no doormen involved). They'd all had a drink, words were exchanged, and one group got a bit handy.

You and I both know if Jones was properly jumped by 3 blokes he'd have been battered.

He barely had a scratch.

As I'm sure you know, nowadays flicking someone on the forehead is considered assault now. fking ridiculous.

I was in court myself last month, for assault. The witnesses didn't turn up. I was in the dock for two minutes as the case was being thrown out. Waste of everyone's time.

This is all because Jones likes to be the centre of attention, and it wouldn't surprise me if that's what started the confrontation in the first place.

All I have to say on what you posted is sorry for calling you she xx

[Gecko1978]

Owen Jones, was assaulted, that's not right and it can not be condoned (even if i think he is a tt). But he has made out like it was a targeted planned assult. Of it was who planned it the chuckel brothers.

Unlesa you really are familiar with violence on a regular basis (i am not) then 3 men targeting you is going to result in far worse than a mild scratch. An this is why I suspect he is a victim of drunken yob who saw him an thought tt off the tele. No more No less

[Esceptico]

I see where I have been going wrong in life. Rather than trying to use logic and evidence to persuade people all I needed to do was hire someone like the guy who plays the mountain in GOT to follow me around so that when people don’t agree he can give them a little slap for me. Problem solved.

[TheRealNoNeedy]

Burwood said:

Smollet said:

Jones is a very annoying tt. I don’t condone giving him a slap but I’m not surprised it’s happened

You can talk-making st up about a noose

My missus comes home from work with worse injuries than Owen had, to be honest, he should be glad it was 3 pissed up lads and not her