Lib Dems: Making a great comeback?
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Can't see a Lib Dem thread on here, but have noticed they've been claiming they have pledged a British return to EU in next general election (or stop us leaving if an election before A50) http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/26/li...
A great vote winner imho.
Also #mysticclegg has been trending after he wrote this before the referendum https://inews.co.uk/opinion/comment/will-wake-vote...
Is this the start of them regaining some traction in the political world?
A great vote winner imho.
Also #mysticclegg has been trending after he wrote this before the referendum https://inews.co.uk/opinion/comment/will-wake-vote...
Is this the start of them regaining some traction in the political world?
It's very clever. There's 16m voters at least who are in favour of a re-run, loads of disgruntled young voters ( who may now forgive the tuition fee betrayal ) and of course labour is too busy annihiliating itself to do what the LibDems have done.
If Labour don't sort there sh*t out and if there's an election within 6m I could see them pulling off the biggest political comeback in modern times.
If Labour don't sort there sh*t out and if there's an election within 6m I could see them pulling off the biggest political comeback in modern times.
So we're just waiting on the US/Germany agreement and Clegg can tick everything off of his list.
The LibDem leadership must be praying for a GE in the Autumn. It could come down to Lib Dems vs UKIP for the biggest upset, and I still like to think that the majority of Leavers won't switch to UKIP
The LibDem leadership must be praying for a GE in the Autumn. It could come down to Lib Dems vs UKIP for the biggest upset, and I still like to think that the majority of Leavers won't switch to UKIP
Timmy40 said:
It's very clever. There's 16m voters at least who are in favour of a re-run, loads of disgruntled young voters ( who may now forgive the tuition fee betrayal ) and of course labour is too busy annihiliating itself to do what the LibDems have done.
If Labour don't sort there sh*t out and if there's an election within 6m I could see them pulling off the biggest political comeback in modern times.
Agreed. The EU trumps most things for a lot of us it seems.If Labour don't sort there sh*t out and if there's an election within 6m I could see them pulling off the biggest political comeback in modern times.
fblm said:
Timmy40 said:
...loads of disgruntled young voters...
They're only voters if they, you know, vote.Turnout
18-24: 36%
25-34: 58%
35-44: 72%
45-54: 75%
55-64: 81%
65+: 83%
That said I still maintain the LibDems will see a huge poll surge on this.
Clegg said:
The Australian points system which they advocate is no solution either – it has led to immigration levels twice as high as in the UK.
Excuse me if I'm misinterpreting this; but surely that's -- A wonderful thing, cherry-picking immigrants
- Australia has "quite" a lot more habitable space than the UK. Like, 31 times as much physical space.
I keep seeing this statistic trotted out by the doubters, because the Australian, New Zealand and Canadian points-systems were implemented to increase immigration in unskilled areas where workers were needed. There's no reason why we couldn't implement a similar system tailored to suit us in order to reduce immigration, too. I just don't see the above statement as a valid 'argument'.
C.A.R. said:
Clegg said:
The Australian points system which they advocate is no solution either – it has led to immigration levels twice as high as in the UK.
Excuse me if I'm misinterpreting this; but surely that's -- A wonderful thing, cherry-picking immigrants
- Australia has "quite" a lot more habitable space than the UK. Like, 31 times as much physical space.
I keep seeing this statistic trotted out by the doubters, because the Australian, New Zealand and Canadian points-systems were implemented to increase immigration in unskilled areas where workers were needed. There's no reason why we couldn't implement a similar system tailored to suit us in order to reduce immigration, too. I just don't see the above statement as a valid 'argument'.
richie99 said:
You are right. The argument is rubbish. Want fewer people, set the points hurdle higher. Want more sheep sheares, allocate more points to wielding clippers and holding sheep. Obviously a bit of a risk there.
And we do need more sheep shearers in all seriousness. Alot used to come over from NZ, but very few do now. C.A.R. said:
Clegg said:
The Australian points system which they advocate is no solution either – it has led to immigration levels twice as high as in the UK.
Excuse me if I'm misinterpreting this; but surely that's -- A wonderful thing, cherry-picking immigrants
I keep seeing this statistic trotted out by the doubters, because the Australian, New Zealand and Canadian points-systems were implemented to increase immigration in unskilled areas where workers were needed.
My degree, job experience, money etc counted for nothing, they were looking for a few specific jobs IIRC Hair dressers and Police - preferably married - as that too gained huge points (trying to limit the number of men stealing their Sheilas ?)
C.A.R. said:
- Australia has "quite" a lot more habitable space than the UK. Like, 31 times as much physical space.
Just as a statistical asideOffice of National Statistics estimate that the UK is around 2% 'built upon' - that is covered in any man made surface - be it a building or road. So physical space isn't much of an issue. It's just that everyone likes to huddle.
And Australia have a similar issue as the only parts which are 'livable' to the majority are in the south east corner or south coast. I know you have Darwin and Perth, but the south east is where the majority are.
The majority of Australia is de-facto unusable.
Anyway. As we were.
This is a Lib Dem return to form IMO - they're in the political wilderness (again) with no chance of power so they can say whatever they like.
The whole furore around the student fees issue has probably caused an entire generation of voters to never vote lib dem again, either that or the students will have to u-turn and show just how short their short term memories are.
The whole furore around the student fees issue has probably caused an entire generation of voters to never vote lib dem again, either that or the students will have to u-turn and show just how short their short term memories are.
Lib Dems will have my vote if they campaign on return to/stay in EU.
Most individual MPs are in favour of Remain anyway so how any MP could square campaigning on any other platform (especially in majority Remain constituencies) with their consciences in a general election would be puzzling.
It's certainly one way of the Lib Dems redeeming themselves over the tuition fees debacle.
It's what Labour should have the guts to do but presumably won't.
Most individual MPs are in favour of Remain anyway so how any MP could square campaigning on any other platform (especially in majority Remain constituencies) with their consciences in a general election would be puzzling.
It's certainly one way of the Lib Dems redeeming themselves over the tuition fees debacle.
It's what Labour should have the guts to do but presumably won't.
footnote said:
Lib Dems will have my vote if they campaign on return to/stay in EU.
Most individual MPs are in favour of Remain anyway so how any MP could square campaigning on any other platform (especially in majority Remain constituencies) with their consciences in a general election would be puzzling.
It's certainly one way of the Lib Dems redeeming themselves over the tuition fees debacle.
It's what Labour should have the guts to do but presumably won't.
But presumably they would be changing their name to Liberal Dictatorship first Most individual MPs are in favour of Remain anyway so how any MP could square campaigning on any other platform (especially in majority Remain constituencies) with their consciences in a general election would be puzzling.
It's certainly one way of the Lib Dems redeeming themselves over the tuition fees debacle.
It's what Labour should have the guts to do but presumably won't.
Mr Happy said:
The whole furore around the student fees issue has probably caused an entire generation of voters to never vote lib dem again, either that or the students will have to u-turn and show just how short their short term memories are.
Students are only students for a few years, so that seems likely.footnote said:
Lib Dems will have my vote if they campaign on return to/stay in EU.
Most individual MPs are in favour of Remain anyway so how any MP could square campaigning on any other platform (especially in majority Remain constituencies) with their consciences in a general election would be puzzling.
It's certainly one way of the Lib Dems redeeming themselves over the tuition fees debacle.
It's what Labour should have the guts to do but presumably won't.
Most individual MPs are in favour of Remain anyway so how any MP could square campaigning on any other platform (especially in majority Remain constituencies) with their consciences in a general election would be puzzling.
It's certainly one way of the Lib Dems redeeming themselves over the tuition fees debacle.
It's what Labour should have the guts to do but presumably won't.
in all this uncertainty and mess they have a chance to look organised and offer clarity of vision whilst Labour and the Tories pull themselves to pieces. There's disgruntled business sponsors and votes galore to be hoovered up if they get it right. And as someone else has said for many the EU is an issue that trumps all others.
And although the tuition fee debacle haunts them, I think most people feel they did a very good job as coalition partners to the Tories. Not afraid to make hard decisions but perhaps softening some of the Tories political instincts.
The centre ground will be up for grabs if a post CMD Tory party swings right and Labour obliterates itself in a leftward spiral.
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