Will JC Juncker get the chop?
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So Juncker has banned the Commission (the only part of the EU he is in charge of) from pre-negotiations with the UK. I'm struggling to understand the point of this and would appreciate some ideas. As I see it, it will only delay Article 50, not speed it up.
As for his speech, I don't know if it's because I'm watching live and translated immediately, but it seems very rambling and lacking substance (and it's over time!)
As for his speech, I don't know if it's because I'm watching live and translated immediately, but it seems very rambling and lacking substance (and it's over time!)
He loves telling everyone he's not a faceless beurocrat or a robot.
He wants consequences and the U.K. out ASAP, no secret deals or negotiations. He's all about showing the children what happens if you vote out
The Dutch woman on earlier seemed much more thoughtful and wanted to leave the door open.
He wants consequences and the U.K. out ASAP, no secret deals or negotiations. He's all about showing the children what happens if you vote out
The Dutch woman on earlier seemed much more thoughtful and wanted to leave the door open.
Jean-Claude Juncker......
On Greece's economic meltdown in 2011
"When it becomes serious, you have to lie.
On EU monetary policy
"I'm ready to be insulted as being insufficiently democratic, but I want to be serious ... I am for secret, dark debates"
On British calls for a referendum over Lisbon Treaty
“Of course there will be transfers of sovereignty. But would I be intelligent to draw the attention of public opinion to this fact?,”
On French referendum over EU constitution
“If it's a Yes, we will say 'on we go', and if it's a No we will say 'we continue’,”
On the introduction of the euro
"We decide on something, leave it lying around, and wait and see what happens. If no one kicks up a fuss, because most people don't understand what has been decided, we continue step by step until there is no turning back."
On eurozone economic policy and democracy
“We all know what to do, we just don't know how to get re-elected after we've done it”
On Greece's economic meltdown in 2011
"When it becomes serious, you have to lie.
On EU monetary policy
"I'm ready to be insulted as being insufficiently democratic, but I want to be serious ... I am for secret, dark debates"
On British calls for a referendum over Lisbon Treaty
“Of course there will be transfers of sovereignty. But would I be intelligent to draw the attention of public opinion to this fact?,”
On French referendum over EU constitution
“If it's a Yes, we will say 'on we go', and if it's a No we will say 'we continue’,”
On the introduction of the euro
"We decide on something, leave it lying around, and wait and see what happens. If no one kicks up a fuss, because most people don't understand what has been decided, we continue step by step until there is no turning back."
On eurozone economic policy and democracy
“We all know what to do, we just don't know how to get re-elected after we've done it”
Juncker does indeed epitomise the kind of Eurocrat that we don't need. Although he largely stayed out of the UK's debate, his few interjections were completely incompetent and backfired spectacularly. I hope the EU gets shot of him. He should never have been appointed in the first place.
I'll reiterate the point that the Commission and the European Parliament are a side show. That's why the lack of direct democratic accountability of the Commission never mattered. Juncker doesn't matter.
The only EU group that matters is the Council, directly elected politicians representing their nations. They are the ones who are going to determine what terms are offered to the UK and what they will collectively accept from us. The Council's deliberations start in earnest today where we'll be represented by Cameron. Then the 27 will meet again without us.
I'll reiterate the point that the Commission and the European Parliament are a side show. That's why the lack of direct democratic accountability of the Commission never mattered. Juncker doesn't matter.
The only EU group that matters is the Council, directly elected politicians representing their nations. They are the ones who are going to determine what terms are offered to the UK and what they will collectively accept from us. The Council's deliberations start in earnest today where we'll be represented by Cameron. Then the 27 will meet again without us.
Jockman said:
On EU monetary policy
"I'm ready to be insulted as being insufficiently democratic, but I want to be serious ... I am for secret, dark debates"
And yet these dark debates are off the table for Brexit. The UK cannot pull the trigger on Article 50 until it knows the skeleton of an exit deal."I'm ready to be insulted as being insufficiently democratic, but I want to be serious ... I am for secret, dark debates"
He has very cleverly turned the loaded gun back at us.
And Tusk ...what an condescending ingnoramus!
He doesn't even know the difference between England and the UK (until it's pointed out to him - thicko!).
http://www.msn.com/en-gb/sport/uefa-euro-2016/wint...
Love Europe.
f
k the EU!
He doesn't even know the difference between England and the UK (until it's pointed out to him - thicko!).
http://www.msn.com/en-gb/sport/uefa-euro-2016/wint...
Love Europe.
f
k the EU!Juncker and his ilk and the 'system' they operate is why I voted to leave. I regret the recent consequences but have no regrets about how I voted.
I also see that Poland wants Tusk to go too:
WARSAW (Reuters) - The leader of Poland's ruling Law and Justice (PiS) party blamed European Council President and former Polish prime minister Donald Tusk on Monday for Britain's vote to leave the European Union.
"A particularly dark role was played by Donald Tusk, who conducted negotiations with the British and in fact contributed to them getting nothing," Jaroslaw Kaczynski said of his former political rival, speaking to local media.
"A particularly dark role was played by Donald Tusk, who conducted negotiations with the British and in fact contributed to them getting nothing," Jaroslaw Kaczynski said of his former political rival, speaking to local media.
"Hence, he is directly responsible for Brexit and should simply disappear from European politics. But this concerns the whole of European Commission in its present composition"
He also called for a second referendum on Brexit.
What a pity he didn't make his thoughts clear some months ago. Without "the present composition of the EC" I may well have voted to stay.
I also see that Poland wants Tusk to go too:
WARSAW (Reuters) - The leader of Poland's ruling Law and Justice (PiS) party blamed European Council President and former Polish prime minister Donald Tusk on Monday for Britain's vote to leave the European Union.
"A particularly dark role was played by Donald Tusk, who conducted negotiations with the British and in fact contributed to them getting nothing," Jaroslaw Kaczynski said of his former political rival, speaking to local media.
"A particularly dark role was played by Donald Tusk, who conducted negotiations with the British and in fact contributed to them getting nothing," Jaroslaw Kaczynski said of his former political rival, speaking to local media.
"Hence, he is directly responsible for Brexit and should simply disappear from European politics. But this concerns the whole of European Commission in its present composition"
He also called for a second referendum on Brexit.
What a pity he didn't make his thoughts clear some months ago. Without "the present composition of the EC" I may well have voted to stay.
Puggit said:
Jockman said:
On EU monetary policy
"I'm ready to be insulted as being insufficiently democratic, but I want to be serious ... I am for secret, dark debates"
And yet these dark debates are off the table for Brexit. The UK cannot pull the trigger on Article 50 until it knows the skeleton of an exit deal."I'm ready to be insulted as being insufficiently democratic, but I want to be serious ... I am for secret, dark debates"
He has very cleverly turned the loaded gun back at us.
I was personally surprised that Juncker stated he had banned all Commisioners from discussing Brexit with the UK. That tells you a lot about how he is feeling at the moment... this kind of attitude is self defeating, unrealistic and will unravel... mark my words.
Huge poker game going on. Juncker is doing what any half competent politician would do. Putting the screws on us. Calling our bluff. Telling us to put up or shut up. Not least to send warnings out to any other member state which has thoughts of insurrection. Force us into an election that may overturn the referendum.
I'm fairly disgusted with Cameron for resigning on the day. Not for resigning as such, but for not saying at any point during the campaign that he would go if REMAIN lost.
I'm fairly disgusted with Cameron for resigning on the day. Not for resigning as such, but for not saying at any point during the campaign that he would go if REMAIN lost.
EddieSteadyGo said:
Puggit said:
Jockman said:
On EU monetary policy
"I'm ready to be insulted as being insufficiently democratic, but I want to be serious ... I am for secret, dark debates"
And yet these dark debates are off the table for Brexit. The UK cannot pull the trigger on Article 50 until it knows the skeleton of an exit deal."I'm ready to be insulted as being insufficiently democratic, but I want to be serious ... I am for secret, dark debates"
He has very cleverly turned the loaded gun back at us.
I was personally surprised that Juncker stated he had banned all Commisioners from discussing Brexit with the UK. That tells you a lot about how he is feeling at the moment... this kind of attitude is self defeating, unrealistic and will unravel... mark my words.
Watching Guy Verhofstadt do his usual thing.
His speaking style and politics seems very familiar from history... He's also an utter in everything he says and does if his daily proclamations are anything to go by.
Main reaction in the EP seems to be the same one they always have - 'the answer is more Europe' - and anyone who disagrees should be ignored.
Just look at the expressions on Juncker when anyone says anything mildly critical, and the manic clapping from the crowd in the middle when one of their people stands up.
Watching the EP in action is one of the strongest demonstrations you could make against the project in its current form.
His speaking style and politics seems very familiar from history... He's also an utter
in everything he says and does if his daily proclamations are anything to go by. Main reaction in the EP seems to be the same one they always have - 'the answer is more Europe' - and anyone who disagrees should be ignored.
Just look at the expressions on Juncker when anyone says anything mildly critical, and the manic clapping from the crowd in the middle when one of their people stands up.
Watching the EP in action is one of the strongest demonstrations you could make against the project in its current form.
just watching the EU Parliament and I can see why nothing ever gets done in a hurry. They must put something in the Coffee to keep them awake. Juncker threatening people in the Country was a factor in the leave Vote .
Farage must be made of Steel sitting there with eyes burning into him
Farage must be made of Steel sitting there with eyes burning into him
61GT said:
Watching a senior politician being completely wasted would be funny if it also wasn't so tragic at the same time.EddieSteadyGo said:
61GT said:
Watching a senior politician being completely wasted would be funny if it also wasn't so tragic at the same time.Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff