Will JC Juncker get the chop?
Discussion
I said it earlier and I say it again... I welcome EU integration being sped up. For all the countries that want it of course, the rest can come join us in getting back to doing what most of us really wanted, trading and talking together as partners. The handful of countries that seriously want to be a single country are welcome to do so just leave the rest of us alone. In the end it'll be a smoother road to the superstate without all us unbelievers bickering and fighting to steer it somewhere else
61GT said:
I am sure he also gave a Nazi salute to one of the people he was b*tch slapping 
I think it is becoming clear that Juncker and Tusk wanted Britain out so they can press on with creating a single country of Europe, and that they want to inflict the maximum possible damage on Britain to deter other EU members from going down the same path. Given that the only country that can trigger Article 50 is the UK, that gives our Govt a lot of power if they decide to stop being so gentlemanly about the whole thing and play Tusk and Juncker at their own game.
Once Article 50 is invoked, the results of that process are out of our hands. Therefore our Govt can very reasonably say to the British people "no exit until we get a deal that protects Britain's interests." Which means we can sit around for two, three, even five years, throwing spanners in the works and doing everything possible to block further EU integration. Or else Juncker and Tusk can give us a deal that we are happy with and we can be gone in a year, leaving the rest of them to their uber-federalist spunkfest. The UK might actually be in a very powerful position here, but our own negotiators have a long track record of throwing away powerful negotiating positions so as not to upset anyone. That needs to change.
Once Article 50 is invoked, the results of that process are out of our hands. Therefore our Govt can very reasonably say to the British people "no exit until we get a deal that protects Britain's interests." Which means we can sit around for two, three, even five years, throwing spanners in the works and doing everything possible to block further EU integration. Or else Juncker and Tusk can give us a deal that we are happy with and we can be gone in a year, leaving the rest of them to their uber-federalist spunkfest. The UK might actually be in a very powerful position here, but our own negotiators have a long track record of throwing away powerful negotiating positions so as not to upset anyone. That needs to change.
Puggit said:
So Juncker has banned the Commission (the only part of the EU he is in charge of) from pre-negotiations with the UK. I'm struggling to understand the point of this and would appreciate some ideas. As I see it, it will only delay Article 50, not speed it up.
Every day Article 50 is delayed makes it less likely to ever be invoked. The Leave camp should be pressing for it to be invoked ASAP. Already the cabinet position is that there will have to be another vote on the terms of the deal before it is invoked, as many here predicted. I know there's the point about our bargaining position if we invoke it without some deal in place, but for Leave, surely Article 50 with no pre-deal is better than no Article 50 at all?I think Farage was right, in a way, when he talked about a 52-48 result meaning that the "war" would not be over, except of course he was talking about 52-48 in favour of Remain.
thinkofaname said:
I think Farage was right, in a way, when he talked about a 52-48 result meaning that the "war" would not be over, except of course he was talking about 52-48 in favour of Remain.
Absolutely - I hate the EU, but I accept that 52% of the vote is not enough for such a seismic change. thinkofaname said:
Puggit said:
So Juncker has banned the Commission (the only part of the EU he is in charge of) from pre-negotiations with the UK. I'm struggling to understand the point of this and would appreciate some ideas. As I see it, it will only delay Article 50, not speed it up.
Every day Article 50 is delayed makes it less likely to ever be invoked. The Leave camp should be pressing for it to be invoked ASAP. Already the cabinet position is that there will have to be another vote on the terms of the deal before it is invoked, as many here predicted. I know there's the point about our bargaining position if we invoke it without some deal in place, but for Leave, surely Article 50 with no pre-deal is better than no Article 50 at all?I think Farage was right, in a way, when he talked about a 52-48 result meaning that the "war" would not be over, except of course he was talking about 52-48 in favour of Remain.
dandarez said:
Who cares? Not our problem anymore.
He (and some of the others in that clique) are the main reason I 'outed'.
Wrong, very much our problem still.He (and some of the others in that clique) are the main reason I 'outed'.
We still need to negotiate our exit and that means getting as much access to the market as possible with little to no barriers to trade.
Being belligerant asses won't help our cause.
thinkofaname said:
Puggit said:
So Juncker has banned the Commission (the only part of the EU he is in charge of) from pre-negotiations with the UK. I'm struggling to understand the point of this and would appreciate some ideas. As I see it, it will only delay Article 50, not speed it up.
Every day Article 50 is delayed makes it less likely to ever be invoked. The Leave camp should be pressing for it to be invoked ASAP. Already the cabinet position is that there will have to be another vote on the terms of the deal before it is invoked, as many here predicted. I know there's the point about our bargaining position if we invoke it without some deal in place, but for Leave, surely Article 50 with no pre-deal is better than no Article 50 at all?I think Farage was right, in a way, when he talked about a 52-48 result meaning that the "war" would not be over, except of course he was talking about 52-48 in favour of Remain.
Puggit said:
thinkofaname said:
I think Farage was right, in a way, when he talked about a 52-48 result meaning that the "war" would not be over, except of course he was talking about 52-48 in favour of Remain.
Absolutely - I hate the EU, but I accept that 52% of the vote is not enough for such a seismic change. 
Puggit said:
thinkofaname said:
I think Farage was right, in a way, when he talked about a 52-48 result meaning that the "war" would not be over, except of course he was talking about 52-48 in favour of Remain.
Absolutely - I hate the EU, but I accept that 52% of the vote is not enough for such a seismic change. Puggit said:
Juncker strikes again:
“If someone from the ‘Remain’ camp will become British PM, this has to be done in two weeks after his appointment,” he said. If they are from the Brexit camp, then it should be “the day after”.
Mate - you're not in charge of this and have no power to enforce it.
Deluded.......still don't get it does he? “If someone from the ‘Remain’ camp will become British PM, this has to be done in two weeks after his appointment,” he said. If they are from the Brexit camp, then it should be “the day after”.
Mate - you're not in charge of this and have no power to enforce it.
Puggit said:
Juncker strikes again:
“If someone from the ‘Remain’ camp will become British PM, this has to be done in two weeks after his appointment,” he said. If they are from the Brexit camp, then it should be “the day after”.
Mate - you're not in charge of this and have no power to enforce it.
Reincarnation of some dictator.“If someone from the ‘Remain’ camp will become British PM, this has to be done in two weeks after his appointment,” he said. If they are from the Brexit camp, then it should be “the day after”.
Mate - you're not in charge of this and have no power to enforce it.
Sam All said:
Puggit said:
Juncker strikes again:
“If someone from the ‘Remain’ camp will become British PM, this has to be done in two weeks after his appointment,” he said. If they are from the Brexit camp, then it should be “the day after”.
Mate - you're not in charge of this and have no power to enforce it.
Reincarnation of some dictator.“If someone from the ‘Remain’ camp will become British PM, this has to be done in two weeks after his appointment,” he said. If they are from the Brexit camp, then it should be “the day after”.
Mate - you're not in charge of this and have no power to enforce it.
JC is the gift that keeps on giving.
"I am for secret, dark debates." 20/4/11
"And I would not like the idea to gain ground that there could be secret negotiations, in darkened rooms behind drawn curtains, between representatives from the United Kingdom, national governments, Commissioners, and Directors-General." 28/6/16
I suppose he might have changed his mind since 2011
"I am for secret, dark debates." 20/4/11
"And I would not like the idea to gain ground that there could be secret negotiations, in darkened rooms behind drawn curtains, between representatives from the United Kingdom, national governments, Commissioners, and Directors-General." 28/6/16
I suppose he might have changed his mind since 2011
skyrover said:
Bloody hope so... the bugger should be in jail for fraud
He's bad news isn't he? And sadly he's not the only one. I wonder if he'll be on a huge 'resettlement programme' when he goes in 2019, as Van Rompuy was?
"After standing down on Monday, the former president of the European Council will be paid £133,723 a year, 55 per cent of his basic salary, until December 2017 - to ease him back into life outside the world of Brussels officialdom.
The Telegraph has established that Mr Van Rompuy will also receive a one off payment of £21,000 and, aged 67, he will be able draw a lifetime EU pension worth £52,000 a year, taking his earnings to £578,000 over the next three years.
The "transitional allowance" does not require Mr Van Rompuy to do any work at all and the cash will be paid under reduced rates of EU "community" tax, which are far lower than taxation in his native country of Belgium."
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