How do we think EU negotiations will go?
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drainbrain said:
Have to say, this thread's progress and outcome to date pretty accurately mirror the real thing in the real world.
The only reason I voted Remain rather than Brexit was because I thought it would be less hassle to remain and the existing membership problems would be easier to resolve than the ones Brexit would pose.
Haven't really changed from that position. The negotiations don't appear to be making much progress. Uncertainty and division are definitely in the air which is at best not good.
Its easier to stay in The Church of Scientology than leave.The only reason I voted Remain rather than Brexit was because I thought it would be less hassle to remain and the existing membership problems would be easier to resolve than the ones Brexit would pose.
Haven't really changed from that position. The negotiations don't appear to be making much progress. Uncertainty and division are definitely in the air which is at best not good.
People do leave though when they see the light.
Greg66 said:
Funkycoldribena said:
hyphen said:
He seems to think he is very important for some reason, but just appears to be a paper pusher in IPO's
He boasts about giving quotes to paper? I built a system recently for a Hedge fund, the bloke who founded it does quotes for papers too. In another league to the likes of Zod, and he is down to earth...
He's been like it for years,massively over inflated self ego.He boasts about giving quotes to paper? I built a system recently for a Hedge fund, the bloke who founded it does quotes for papers too. In another league to the likes of Zod, and he is down to earth...
Oh, wait...
Zod said:
It's so sweet the way they close ranks.
See? The bloke comes across as a narcissist, anything that he considers not to his viewpoint gets an immature answer. Edited by hyphen on Monday 23 October 18:14
drainbrain said:
Have to say, this thread's progress and outcome to date pretty accurately mirror the real thing in the real world.
The only reason I voted Remain rather than Brexit was because I thought it would be less hassle to remain and the existing membership problems would be easier to resolve than the ones Brexit would pose.
Haven't really changed from that position. The negotiations don't appear to be making much progress. Uncertainty and division are definitely in the air which is at best not good.
It's important not to swallow Project Fear or political theatre or media drama.The only reason I voted Remain rather than Brexit was because I thought it would be less hassle to remain and the existing membership problems would be easier to resolve than the ones Brexit would pose.
Haven't really changed from that position. The negotiations don't appear to be making much progress. Uncertainty and division are definitely in the air which is at best not good.
Behind the scenes, Brexit negotiations are starting to move along quite nicely. The first steps in the deal are nearly done.
And it's important to keep the longterm view. Pretty much all Western countries outside the EU are richer than those inside it. The fear about Brexit is way overdone.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/oct...
B'stard Child said:
Funkycoldribena said:
mx5nut said:
Shhh - they don't like it when the bus comes up - every Leave voter knew the bus was a lie before they voted, you see.
I'd quite like to buy it.And park it outside your house.
First was for greenpeace
and more recently for a touring cricket team
But it was a nice thought
Funkycoldribena said:
hyphen said:
See? The bloke comes across as a narcissist, anything that he considers not to his viewpoint gets an immature answer.
Same with Gregg,any other view to his and it turns to goading and ganging up.Edited by hyphen on Monday 23 October 18:14
The hypocrisy is amazing.
That you feel ganged up on is, to quote your American hero, sad. As for goading, why would we bother? It's hardly as if there's a response worth provoking.
Zod said:
... it would be fine for every family in the country to lose £16K of income per annum.
When did I say it would be 'fine' for each family to lose £16k of income per annum? (leaving aside that any reduction would not be done on a uniform basis to individual households so that is a strange statement). I didn't, so let us not assert falsehoods.
We were talking about your choice of phrase, catastrophe, and what that actually meant. I asked your worst case scenario for Brexit and from there it went downhill - I expected you to spell out something that would shock me, but it appeared that you just didn't want to admit that your worst case would be eligible for the Pistonheads first world problems thread...
Like I said, Brazil's population is nothing like the UK's and their country is also multiples the size of ours, so if we did go 'all the way down' to 8th in the global GDP listings, it wouldn't be the end the world as your doom and gloom suggests.
Cheer up.
Zod said:
It's not hypocritical to question bizarre assertions, such as that it would be fine for every family in the country to lose £16K of income per annum.
That you feel ganged up on is, to quote your American hero, sad. As for goading, why would we bother? It's hardly as if there's a response worth provoking.
I wasn't calling you hypocritical.That you feel ganged up on is, to quote your American hero, sad. As for goading, why would we bother? It's hardly as if there's a response worth provoking.
And I don't do doom mongering, its childish, boring and been done to death.
I have a positive outlook to life outside the cult.
mx5nut said:
We should devise a system where we elect representatives to consider and vote on these issues on our behalf.
We have that, and those representatives decided on this issue they couldn't rule, so they passed the question back to the people who elected them. That was their considered view on the UK membership of the EU and they did this by huge majority.No doubt you will then come back with it being an advisory referendum, but that was never what it was sold as by anyone to the people voting in the referendum, so after the fact politically they had no choice but to follow through on the outcome.
And here we now are.....
ORD said:
Brexiteer reasoning:
'The fact that I will be £x poorer than I otherwise would be in the absence of Brexit does not mean Brexit has lost me money.'
If GDP is lower than it otherwise would have been, we are poorer as a country. That should be uncontroverial. Characterising it as merely missing out on growth is childish. It is not as though Britain has so much growth that it can afford to slow its rate!
The economy is in a bad way. It is reckless in the extreme to be entirely unconcerned about knocking 10s of billions off GDP.
Have you ever invested in yourself or something else that meant short term it cost you more than not doing so, but long term you benefited?'The fact that I will be £x poorer than I otherwise would be in the absence of Brexit does not mean Brexit has lost me money.'
If GDP is lower than it otherwise would have been, we are poorer as a country. That should be uncontroverial. Characterising it as merely missing out on growth is childish. It is not as though Britain has so much growth that it can afford to slow its rate!
The economy is in a bad way. It is reckless in the extreme to be entirely unconcerned about knocking 10s of billions off GDP.
Funkycoldribena said:
hyphen said:
See? The bloke comes across as a narcissist, anything that he considers not to his viewpoint gets an immature answer.
Same with Gregg,any other view to his and it turns to goading and ganging up.Edited by anonymous-user on Monday 23 October 18:14
The hypocrisy is amazing.
Greg66 said:
Funkycoldribena said:
hyphen said:
See? The bloke comes across as a narcissist, anything that he considers not to his viewpoint gets an immature answer.
Same with Gregg,any other view to his and it turns to goading and ganging up.Edited by hyphen on Monday 23 October 18:14
The hypocrisy is amazing.
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