How do we think EU negotiations will go?

How do we think EU negotiations will go?

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Angrybiker

557 posts

89 months

Monday 23rd October 2017
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Zod said:
Funkycoldribena said:
He's been like it for years,massively over inflated self ego.
BTW, is it possible to have an ego that is not a "self ego"?
Dissociative identity disorder?

drainbrain

5,637 posts

110 months

Monday 23rd October 2017
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Zod said:
BTW, is it possible to have an ego that is not a "self ego"?
Yes. An alter ego.

Funkycoldribena

7,379 posts

153 months

Monday 23rd October 2017
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drainbrain said:
Have to say, this thread's progress and outcome to date pretty accurately mirror the real thing in the real world.

The only reason I voted Remain rather than Brexit was because I thought it would be less hassle to remain and the existing membership problems would be easier to resolve than the ones Brexit would pose.

Haven't really changed from that position. The negotiations don't appear to be making much progress. Uncertainty and division are definitely in the air which is at best not good.
Its easier to stay in The Church of Scientology than leave.
People do leave though when they see the light.

hyphen

26,262 posts

89 months

Monday 23rd October 2017
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Greg66 said:
Funkycoldribena said:
hyphen said:
He seems to think he is very important for some reason, but just appears to be a paper pusher in IPO's confused

He boasts about giving quotes to paper? I built a system recently for a Hedge fund, the bloke who founded it does quotes for papers too. In another league to the likes of Zod, and he is down to earth...
He's been like it for years,massively over inflated self ego.
You two fancy taking a time out and using it to try to come up with some thought out and reasoned responses to what Zod is saying? Because the more you play the man, the more it looks like you know you’re unable to play the ball.

Oh, wait...
Act more like Zod? Then I can't reply to you with anything other than...

Zod said:
It's so sweet the way they close ranks.
See? The bloke comes across as a narcissist, anything that he considers not to his viewpoint gets an immature answer.

Edited by hyphen on Monday 23 October 18:14

Funkycoldribena

7,379 posts

153 months

Monday 23rd October 2017
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hyphen said:
See? The bloke comes across as a narcissist, anything that he considers not to his viewpoint gets an immature answer.

Edited by hyphen on Monday 23 October 18:14
Same with Gregg,any other view to his and it turns to goading and ganging up.
The hypocrisy is amazing.

Yipper

5,964 posts

89 months

Monday 23rd October 2017
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drainbrain said:
Have to say, this thread's progress and outcome to date pretty accurately mirror the real thing in the real world.

The only reason I voted Remain rather than Brexit was because I thought it would be less hassle to remain and the existing membership problems would be easier to resolve than the ones Brexit would pose.

Haven't really changed from that position. The negotiations don't appear to be making much progress. Uncertainty and division are definitely in the air which is at best not good.
It's important not to swallow Project Fear or political theatre or media drama.

Behind the scenes, Brexit negotiations are starting to move along quite nicely. The first steps in the deal are nearly done.

And it's important to keep the longterm view. Pretty much all Western countries outside the EU are richer than those inside it. The fear about Brexit is way overdone.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/oct...

Funkycoldribena

7,379 posts

153 months

Monday 23rd October 2017
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If there's anything to be fearful of its the fracturing of the EU.(even though it needs it).
Its all slowly unraveling as we speak,Austria, Hungary, CZ,Spain,Greece,Portugal,Italy, all at odds with the EU dream in one way or another,and that's without mentioning the UK.

Funkycoldribena

7,379 posts

153 months

Monday 23rd October 2017
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B'stard Child said:
Funkycoldribena said:
mx5nut said:
Shhh - they don't like it when the bus comes up - every Leave voter knew the bus was a lie before they voted, you see.
I'd quite like to buy it.


And park it outside your house.
Don't think there is much point in doing that - it's had at least two re-brands since it was "that bus"

First was for greenpeace



and more recently for a touring cricket team



But it was a nice thought biggrin
I shall buy one and repaint it.smile

FiF

43,957 posts

250 months

Monday 23rd October 2017
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Off topic, how much would it cost to repaint a bus like that? The Greenpeace job looked a bit, err, on the cheap, but the cricket team job looked v expensive. Realised the windows graphics will probably be a wrap, but that black paint job looked rather fine.

maffski

1,866 posts

158 months

Monday 23rd October 2017
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B'stard Child said:
Don't think there is much point in doing that - it's had at least two re-brands since it was "that bus"

First was for greenpeace...and more recently for a touring cricket team



But it was a nice thought biggrin
So leaving the EU means we win the ashes?

Zod

35,295 posts

257 months

Monday 23rd October 2017
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Funkycoldribena said:
hyphen said:
See? The bloke comes across as a narcissist, anything that he considers not to his viewpoint gets an immature answer.

Edited by hyphen on Monday 23 October 18:14
Same with Gregg,any other view to his and it turns to goading and ganging up.
The hypocrisy is amazing.
It's not hypocritical to question bizarre assertions, such as that it would be fine for every family in the country to lose £16K of income per annum.

That you feel ganged up on is, to quote your American hero, sad. As for goading, why would we bother? It's hardly as if there's a response worth provoking.

hyphen

26,262 posts

89 months

Monday 23rd October 2017
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Zod said:
... it would be fine for every family in the country to lose £16K of income per annum.
When did I say it would be 'fine' for each family to lose £16k of income per annum? (leaving aside that any reduction would not be done on a uniform basis to individual households so that is a strange statement).

I didn't, so let us not assert falsehoods.

We were talking about your choice of phrase, catastrophe, and what that actually meant. I asked your worst case scenario for Brexit and from there it went downhill - I expected you to spell out something that would shock me, but it appeared that you just didn't want to admit that your worst case would be eligible for the Pistonheads first world problems thread...

Like I said, Brazil's population is nothing like the UK's and their country is also multiples the size of ours, so if we did go 'all the way down' to 8th in the global GDP listings, it wouldn't be the end the world as your doom and gloom suggests.

Cheer up.

Funkycoldribena

7,379 posts

153 months

Monday 23rd October 2017
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Zod said:
It's not hypocritical to question bizarre assertions, such as that it would be fine for every family in the country to lose £16K of income per annum.

That you feel ganged up on is, to quote your American hero, sad. As for goading, why would we bother? It's hardly as if there's a response worth provoking.
I wasn't calling you hypocritical.

And I don't do doom mongering, its childish, boring and been done to death.
I have a positive outlook to life outside the cult.

anonymous-user

53 months

Monday 23rd October 2017
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mx5nut said:
We should devise a system where we elect representatives to consider and vote on these issues on our behalf.
We have that, and those representatives decided on this issue they couldn't rule, so they passed the question back to the people who elected them. That was their considered view on the UK membership of the EU and they did this by huge majority.

No doubt you will then come back with it being an advisory referendum, but that was never what it was sold as by anyone to the people voting in the referendum, so after the fact politically they had no choice but to follow through on the outcome.

And here we now are.....

anonymous-user

53 months

Monday 23rd October 2017
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ORD said:
Brexiteer reasoning:

'The fact that I will be £x poorer than I otherwise would be in the absence of Brexit does not mean Brexit has lost me money.'

If GDP is lower than it otherwise would have been, we are poorer as a country. That should be uncontroverial. Characterising it as merely missing out on growth is childish. It is not as though Britain has so much growth that it can afford to slow its rate!

The economy is in a bad way. It is reckless in the extreme to be entirely unconcerned about knocking 10s of billions off GDP.
Have you ever invested in yourself or something else that meant short term it cost you more than not doing so, but long term you benefited?

sidicks

25,218 posts

220 months

Monday 23rd October 2017
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jsf said:
Have you ever invested in yourself or something else that meant short term it cost you more than not doing so, but long term you benefited?
If he did, he should ask for his money back!

anonymous-user

53 months

Monday 23rd October 2017
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Funkycoldribena said:
hyphen said:
See? The bloke comes across as a narcissist, anything that he considers not to his viewpoint gets an immature answer.

Edited by anonymous-user on Monday 23 October 18:14
Same with Gregg,any other view to his and it turns to goading and ganging up.
The hypocrisy is amazing.
Thanks to both of you for proving my point. Neither of you are capable of arguing a point. Just attacking the person.

Jockman

17,912 posts

159 months

Monday 23rd October 2017
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Greg66 said:
Funkycoldribena said:
hyphen said:
See? The bloke comes across as a narcissist, anything that he considers not to his viewpoint gets an immature answer.

Edited by hyphen on Monday 23 October 18:14
Same with Gregg,any other view to his and it turns to goading and ganging up.
The hypocrisy is amazing.
Thanks to both of you for proving my point. Neither of you are capable of arguing a point. Just attacking the person.
Surprised you engaged tbh. Hey ho.

anonymous-user

53 months

Monday 23rd October 2017
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Jockman said:
Surprised you engaged tbh. Hey ho.
I know. It was weak of me.

Just wasn’t sure they realised what they’d done.

Actually, still not sure...

Kolbenkopp

2,343 posts

150 months

Monday 23rd October 2017
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Peeps, the signal to noise ratio on this thread really isn't looking good anymore. Which is a shame IMO, among all the ad hominems some really interesting perspectives to be found (from both sides of the debate).
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