How do we think EU negotiations will go?

[jjlynn27]

Jockman said:

How so? Do they remain young in perpetuity?

An ageing population and, as the tables show, elderly means 47+.

Hi Grandpa.

[Jockman]

jjlynn27 said:

Jockman said:

How so? Do they remain young in perpetuity?

An ageing population and, as the tables show, elderly means 47+.

Hi Grandpa.

Evening jj.

Hope the biking is going well

[jjlynn27]

Jockman said:

Evening jj.

Hope the biking is going well

That's just mean.

[Jockman]

jjlynn27 said:

Jockman said:

Evening jj.

Hope the biking is going well

That's just mean.

Woops !! Just peeked. You're having 'brackety issues'. Good luck with the repair

[B'stard Child]

digimeistter said:

ORD said:

Slightly off-topic, but I dont think anyone believes May can win an election.

Not a fan, but yes, I think she could.

The budget today addressed most of the Labour ranting, considering the restrictions, Housing, NHS, Minimum wage Schools etc. (whch really pissed them off )

Unless we're talking about students crying about tuition fees or the brain washed vigilante momentum crowd, then yes lots of educated working people under 30 will vote sensibly

Hang on a minute - unless my memory is really st didn’t she just win one a few months ago?

[johnxjsc1985]

B'stard Child said:

Hang on a minute - unless my memory is really st didn’t she just win one a few months ago?

it doesn't count because she actually gained Votes . Not many calls for her head these days either.

[Jockman]

B'stard Child said:

Hang on a minute - unless my memory is really st didn’t she just win one a few months ago?

She did indeed. 401 votes short of retaining her majority. Corbyn was 51,775 votes from a majority.

[dromong]

digimeistter said:

Eddie Strohacker said:

Now it's 2031. Grwoth is forecast to be <2% .

You are beyond parody, you do know other people can see what you type?

Aye, word's and sentences that make no grammatical sense whatsoever, par for the course of course .

[paulrockliffe]

B'stard Child said:

Hang on a minute - unless my memory is really st didn’t she just win one a few months ago?

No, no, that was the one Labour won, just ask Lady Nugee she'll tell you.

[Murph7355]

Eddie Strohacker said:

Indeed, you're sort of making my point for me in the context that it was a response to the notion that the country is in favour of Brexit BECAUSE the Libdems tanked at the election. It's a Brexiteer trope rolled out endlessly & massively over simplistic. Taken to it's logical conclusion, one could argue that UKIP should have a slew of MP's in Westminster if Brexit was so popular & the electorate act on single issues in general.

Your logic is arse about face.

We can say nothing about Brexit along the lines of what you note from the LibDem result. And I don't believe anyone ever has.

But we can say with absolute certainty that not many put Remaining ahead of every other issue. No matter what it might seem like in here from time to time.

[Eddie Strohacker]

Murph7355 said:

Your logic is arse about face.

We can say nothing about Brexit along the lines of what you note from the LibDem result. And I don't believe anyone ever has.

But we can say with absolute certainty that not many put Remaining ahead of every other issue. No matter what it might seem like in here from time to time.

I do believe you said that with a straight face. I can only surmise you've never met Deptford Draylons & any number of other hard line leave posters who have repeatedly postulated massive support exists for Brexit & the Libdems GE outcome is proof of that. Or you have a well functioning set of blinkers blinding you to those posts whilst simultaneously never missing mine. Funny how that works.

[Murph7355]

Eddie Strohacker said:

I do believe you said that with a straight face. I can only surmise you've never met Deptford Draylons & any number of other hard line leave posters who have repeatedly postulated massive support exists for Brexit & the Libdems GE outcome is proof of that. Or you have a well functioning set of blinkers blinding you to those posts whilst simultaneously never missing mine. Funny how that works.

To let you put your victim card away for a bit, I read about as many of DDs posts as I do yours. Which isn't many these days. They are both equally valuable.

If he said that, his logic's also flawed.

The Remain comment still applies.

[Eddie Strohacker]

Murph7355 said:

To let you put your victim card away for a bit, I read about as many of DDs posts as I do yours. Which isn't many these days. They are both equally valuable.

If he said that, his logic's also flawed.

The Remain comment still applies.

No victimhood here, I couldn't care less what a pack of Mail reading C2's & DE's longing for the past think of me, although you would cheerfully agree any remainer with an opinion is routinely set upon here, that behaviour is on show every day. As for the remain comment, it only stands in your head, essentially you've just dug your heels in & repeated yourself. Nothing new to say, it seems.

[speedy_thrills]

Just watched the budget highlights myself, the Chancellor didn't sound too upbeat about the UKs economy. Politically the UK may be brexit ready but economically it still looks like there is still a lot more work to be done.

Surely time for a reorganisation of the UKs economy towards productivity and wage growth? I mean traditionally, prior to Thatchers government, the Tory party actually did pretty well growing export orientated industries. There have to be better options on the table or the population will run out of patience.

[dromong]

Eddie Strohacker said:

any remainer with an opinion is routinely set upon here, that behaviour is on show every day.

So why even bother coming back at it again and again and again?, don't you think your life would be so much better if you just left this topic of constant arguing whining and bickering alone and done something constructive with the time you have left on this Earth?.

Your fixation with opposing something that you can't change and is happening regardless will end up with your physical and mental health seriously damaged, your posts are full of stress and anxiety, and you cant see it's ripping you apart, and all for what?, what will all this actually achieve?, A stress induced heart attack?, quite possibly.

[Digga]

speedy_thrills said:

Just watched the budget highlights myself, the Chancellor didn't sound too upbeat about the UKs economy. Politically the UK may be brexit ready but economically it still looks like there is still a lot more work to be done.

Surely time for a reorganisation of the UKs economy towards productivity and wage growth? I mean traditionally, prior to Thatchers government, the Tory party actually did pretty well growing export orientated industries. There have to be better options on the table or the population will run out of patience.

There's been no tangible measures to encourage investment in equipment and technology by SME businesses. There has been no alteration to the capital allowances. It is, frankly, ludicrous, given what we know about the paucity of business investment - which is one of the principal drivers of enhanced productivity.s

[Sway]

Digga said:

speedy_thrills said:

Just watched the budget highlights myself, the Chancellor didn't sound too upbeat about the UKs economy. Politically the UK may be brexit ready but economically it still looks like there is still a lot more work to be done.

Surely time for a reorganisation of the UKs economy towards productivity and wage growth? I mean traditionally, prior to Thatchers government, the Tory party actually did pretty well growing export orientated industries. There have to be better options on the table or the population will run out of patience.

There's been no tangible measures to encourage investment in equipment and technology by SME businesses. There has been no alteration to the capital allowances. It is, frankly, ludicrous, given what we know about the paucity of business investment - which is one of the principal drivers of enhanced productivity.s

Agreed. I simply cannot understand why very simple and cheap measures cannot be announced to incentivise research, investment and focus on improving productivity.

[Digga]

Sway said:

Digga said:

speedy_thrills said:

Just watched the budget highlights myself, the Chancellor didn't sound too upbeat about the UKs economy. Politically the UK may be brexit ready but economically it still looks like there is still a lot more work to be done.

Surely time for a reorganisation of the UKs economy towards productivity and wage growth? I mean traditionally, prior to Thatchers government, the Tory party actually did pretty well growing export orientated industries. There have to be better options on the table or the population will run out of patience.

There's been no tangible measures to encourage investment in equipment and technology by SME businesses. There has been no alteration to the capital allowances. It is, frankly, ludicrous, given what we know about the paucity of business investment - which is one of the principal drivers of enhanced productivity.s

Agreed. I simply cannot understand why very simple and cheap measures cannot be announced to incentivise research, investment and focus on improving productivity.

It is a badly misunderstood bit of business legislation. Those in government don't see it for what it is. All the policy does is allow the business to deduct the value invested from their net profit, thereby saving corporation tax which would be paid the following year. So at 19% corporation tax, a £100k investment reduces tax paid in the following 12 months (or so) by £19k.

Allowing a firm to bring forward 100% of the depreciation for tax is a major cash flow benefit for the business but, for HMG, over say 3 to 5 years (the normal time for depreciation) the net cost is nearly zero (less a bit of interest HMG loses out on.

Cash is incredibly tight for most SMEs and lending, post GFC, has nowhere near recovered, despite madcap schemes like Funding for Lending (don;t get me started!) but this investment allowance is a major aid to firms looking to invest. It is well owrth remembering that, even when funded, most investment in plant, machinery and technology will require an initial deposit, which temporarily depletes the firm's cash reserves. Capital allowances help ease this effect over the first 12 months.

Current capital allowances are £200k per year, which is derisory.

[confused_buyer]

Digga said:

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Current capital allowances are £200k per year, which is derisory.

It has been down to £25k in quite recent times.

As you say, on the assumption whatever has been purchased will be depreciated down to zero anyway all it does is bring forward when the tax relief is gained on the item. HMRC don't really lose any tax - it just means they get any due at a different point in time.

[Digga]

confused_buyer said:

Digga said:

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Current capital allowances are £200k per year, which is derisory.

It has been down to £25k in quite recent times.

As you say, on the assumption whatever has been purchased will be depreciated down to zero anyway all it does is bring forward when the tax relief is gained on the item. HMRC don't really lose any tax - it just means they get any due at a different point in time.

Yes, you're right. IIRC was £500k from 2010 to 2014.

That's part and parcel of the issue; major capital projects for SMEs need time to develop. A small firm spending (as little as) £10k plus might be looking at decisions over a number of years before they pull the trigger. Shifting allowances up and down like a we's drawers is nonsense - a perfect example of short-termism.