How do we think EU negotiations will go?
Discussion
Murph7355 said:
My hope and current expectation is that this is just opening salvos from them that will calm down over the next 6mths before common sense prevails.
My biggest worry is that the levels of denial we see from slasher, jj and Mr T might be just the tip of the iceberg once you get into the heart of the borg collective... I mean EU administration. I don't know what their thinking was when they gave CMD no useful deal, but there is some potential that they end up doing what some here are doing and believing that "the UK won't really leave". The trouble is, the more they do that, the more they appear blind to the signals being sent to them, the more it will harden sentiment. CMD's un-deal pushed us into the referendum and if they act like children then "no deal is better than a bad deal" will get plenty of traction. With a lot of structural problems bubbling under the surface, they could end up doing themselves an immense amount of damage.
Tuna said:
My biggest worry is that the levels of denial we see from slasher, jj and Mr T might be just the tip of the iceberg once you get into the heart of the borg collective... I mean EU administration. I don't know what their thinking was when they gave CMD no useful deal, but there is some potential that they end up doing what some here are doing and believing that "the UK won't really leave".
The trouble is, the more they do that, the more they appear blind to the signals being sent to them, the more it will harden sentiment. CMD's un-deal pushed us into the referendum and if they act like children then "no deal is better than a bad deal" will get plenty of traction. With a lot of structural problems bubbling under the surface, they could end up doing themselves an immense amount of damage.
That's easy, you even said it yourself.The trouble is, the more they do that, the more they appear blind to the signals being sent to them, the more it will harden sentiment. CMD's un-deal pushed us into the referendum and if they act like children then "no deal is better than a bad deal" will get plenty of traction. With a lot of structural problems bubbling under the surface, they could end up doing themselves an immense amount of damage.
"They'll never vote leave/actually do it, so why give them anything?".
Edited by FN2TypeR on Wednesday 28th June 08:57
I have to agree. If CMD had come back with something/anything meaningful then there wouldn't have been a referendum. As (despite some hype) he came back with nothing of substance, it further hardened the anti-EU views held by a significant number in the UK.
It might have been so much better - for the EU - if they had agreed to help CMD at the time. As it is, we now have the benefit of getting out and leaving them to flounder around for many years.
It might have been so much better - for the EU - if they had agreed to help CMD at the time. As it is, we now have the benefit of getting out and leaving them to flounder around for many years.
Many in the UK appear to think the UK is special and should get what it wants.
I guess we are about to see how special the EU think we are, and then over the coming years the rest of the world as the UK negotiates trade deals. I suspect a lot of people are going to be disappointed one way or another.
I guess we are about to see how special the EU think we are, and then over the coming years the rest of the world as the UK negotiates trade deals. I suspect a lot of people are going to be disappointed one way or another.
Edited by PurpleMoonlight on Wednesday 28th June 09:05
PurpleMoonlight said:
Many in the UK appear to think the UK is special and should get what it wants.
I guess we are about to see how special the EU think we are, and then over the coming years the rest of the world as the UK negotiates trade deals. I suspect a lot of people are going to be disappointed one way or another.
Including those who thought/hoped Brexit would be disappointing.I guess we are about to see how special the EU think we are, and then over the coming years the rest of the world as the UK negotiates trade deals. I suspect a lot of people are going to be disappointed one way or another.
PurpleMoonlight said:
Many in the UK appear to think the UK is special and should get what it wants.
I guess we are about to see how special the EU think we are, and then over the coming years the rest of the world as the UK negotiates trade deals. I suspect a lot of people are going to be disappointed one way or another.
It's also quite possible that many in the UK consider it better to get out and swim, rather than sink with the others.I guess we are about to see how special the EU think we are, and then over the coming years the rest of the world as the UK negotiates trade deals. I suspect a lot of people are going to be disappointed one way or another.
Edited by PurpleMoonlight on Wednesday 28th June 09:05
PurpleMoonlight said:
Many in the UK appear to think the UK is special and should get what it wants.
I guess we are about to see how special the EU think we are, and then over the coming years the rest of the world as the UK negotiates trade deals. I suspect a lot of people are going to be disappointed one way or another.
Many in the UK are aware that this country is a significant trading partner to the EU, and believe should be treated as such. If anything the EU is very publicly acting like it is special and should get what it wants.I guess we are about to see how special the EU think we are, and then over the coming years the rest of the world as the UK negotiates trade deals. I suspect a lot of people are going to be disappointed one way or another.
Edited by PurpleMoonlight on Wednesday 28th June 09:05
FN2TypeR said:
Tuna said:
My biggest worry is that the levels of denial we see from slasher, jj and Mr T might be just the tip of the iceberg once you get into the heart of the borg collective... I mean EU administration. I don't know what their thinking was when they gave CMD no useful deal, but there is some potential that they end up doing what some here are doing and believing that "the UK won't really leave".
The trouble is, the more they do that, the more they appear blind to the signals being sent to them, the more it will harden sentiment. CMD's un-deal pushed us into the referendum and if they act like children then "no deal is better than a bad deal" will get plenty of traction. With a lot of structural problems bubbling under the surface, they could end up doing themselves an immense amount of damage.
That's easy, you even said it yourself.The trouble is, the more they do that, the more they appear blind to the signals being sent to them, the more it will harden sentiment. CMD's un-deal pushed us into the referendum and if they act like children then "no deal is better than a bad deal" will get plenty of traction. With a lot of structural problems bubbling under the surface, they could end up doing themselves an immense amount of damage.
"They'll never vote leave/actually do it, so why give them anything?".
Edited by FN2TypeR on Wednesday 28th June 08:57
PurpleMoonlight said:
Many in the UK appear to think the UK is special and should get what it wants.
I guess we are about to see how special the EU think we are, and then over the coming years the rest of the world as the UK negotiates trade deals. I suspect a lot of people are going to be disappointed one way or another.
How are you defining special?I guess we are about to see how special the EU think we are, and then over the coming years the rest of the world as the UK negotiates trade deals. I suspect a lot of people are going to be disappointed one way or another.
Has following "special characteristics"
The UK exports more to the rest of the world than to rest of EU.
Is heavily reliant on professional services
Has a "common law" legal system
Is a significant net contributor.
As to what we expect. It is the same as places like Canada, to be able to trade freely with the EU. Not sure why free trade without all the cr*p that comes with the EU is considered "special treatment"
Robertj21a said:
I have to agree. If CMD had come back with something/anything meaningful then there wouldn't have been a referendum. As (despite some hype) he came back with nothing of substance, it further hardened the anti-EU views held by a significant number in the UK.
It might have been so much better - for the EU - if they had agreed to help CMD at the time. As it is, we now have the benefit of getting out and leaving them to flounder around for many years.
Cameron's biggest mistake was coming back with the 'deal' and telling us he'd reformed the EU and what a good deal it was for the UK. Everybody saw straight through his self promoting bullsIt might have been so much better - for the EU - if they had agreed to help CMD at the time. As it is, we now have the benefit of getting out and leaving them to flounder around for many years.
t and voted otherwise.If he'd come back, held his hands up and said look, here it is, I'll leave it with you, it's up to you to decide whether you want to stay in or not, I'm gonna remain neutral on this one, see you on the 24th - then people wouldn't have felt so hoodwinked and this thread probably wouldn't be here.
Murph7355 said:
jjlynn27 said:
I love the experts on PH, all mega-multi-uber directors knowing that EU is a bad idea. Meanwhile, Sorrell, Branson, Dennis to name the few of this world, the semi-successful bunch, what do they know, eh?
The lovely thing about politics is that it's not just those with bags of money that have valid opinions.195 countries in the world. 27 run that system.
But yes, Branson, Sorrell and Les Dennis must be right.
Out of those 195 countries, how many are worth talking about when it comes to trade? What are we going to trade with Lesotho, Burundi, Kiribati and Palau?
Not sure what random television presenter has to do with anything. I was talking about Ron Dennis.
JagLover said:
As to what we expect. It is the same as places like Canada, to be able to trade freely with the EU. Not sure why free trade without all the cr*p that comes with the EU is considered "special treatment"
The Canadian FTA took seven years to agree.What chance the UK's can be sorted in 12 months?
PurpleMoonlight said:
The Canadian FTA took seven years to agree.
What chance the UK's can be sorted in 12 months?
Canada was an external country with no resemblance to the EU's environment. What chance the UK's can be sorted in 12 months?
The UK is already 100% in line with current EU requirements on everything, so a much simpler job. They could probably do it in 12 months, but they won't due to EU games (UK based EU residents covered under EU Law??) and so a transition deal will happen.
hyphen said:
PurpleMoonlight said:
The Canadian FTA took seven years to agree.
What chance the UK's can be sorted in 12 months?
Canada was an external country with no resemblance to the EU's environment. What chance the UK's can be sorted in 12 months?
The UK is already 100% in line with current EU requirements on everything, so a much simpler job..
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