US Police Shoot Unarmed Man With His Hands Up

[R8Steve]

Digga said:

onsider the video again, from the perspective of someone hepped up on caffeine and donuts. We should all be grateful it was just three shots really.

I think even if you considered the video again from the perspective of someone hepped up on a strong dose of LSD you'd struggle to see where there was a threat here. A man lying on the ground with his hands in the air and an adult sitting on the ground playing with a toy truck, possibly the least threatening situation you could think of.

[Pesty]

Digga said:

Sonic said:

Sheepshanks said:

Not sure people realise it was the health worker who was shot, not the patient?

Even after reading the article i didn't quite twig because it makes such little sense for the police to shoot an unarmed therapist led on the ground with his arms in the air following instruction and trying to do his job returning a mentally ill patient back to hospital... fking mental.

I re-read twice and wondered what happened to the patient - how or why on earth the care worker was hit, rather than him. Not that the patient deserved being shot either, but even crazed, gun-toting police logic would surely see the person not lying down as the bigger threat. So were they aiming at the patient, ignoring the carer's pleas and missed and hit the carer by mistake?

Either way someone needs their firearms confiscating and locking in the naughty cupboard.

you don't seem to have thought about missing the intended target and hitting the guy on the floor by mistake as a possibility.

just cos they hit the guy on the floor doesn't mean they were shooting at him.


the other guy was reported to have had a gun, was not complying and did not have his hands up. they were probably shooting at him.

[FredClogs]

I went to watch the video, the trailer advert before the news broadcast was for the new star wars film showing heroic and handsome people rolling around firing weapons at each other.... That might be half the issue right there, see the way they were hiding behind the telegraph pole like TJ fking Hooker or something.

Check yourself American cops and for sure cut down on the sugar and coffee
...

[Pesty]

silent ninja said:

That's crazy and reinforces my point.
ONLY.IN.AMERICA.

or in Englad where the cop tazed a deaf blind man cos he thought his white stick was a samurai sword.

difference is in america somebody can pull out a gun in the blink of an eye.

[7mike]

Pesty said:

you don't seem to have thought about missing the intended target and hitting the guy on the floor by mistake as a possibility.

just cos they hit the guy on the floor doesn't mean they were shooting at him.


the other guy was reported to have had a gun, was not complying and did not have his hands up. they were probably shooting at him.

So having missed their intended target, at what point did they conclude that their intended target was not actually a threat? And why couldn't they have reached this conclusion prior to shooting and missing?

[MikeGTi]

Vandenberg said:

Anyone know how Risk assessment is taught to UK BiB and the Armed forces?

I can't speak for BiB, but in the Army it very much revolves around "imminent risk to life", a bit of judgemental training, and a sprinkling of experience.

[Digga]

Pesty said:

difference is in america somebody can pull out a gun in the blink of an eye.

Even as they're sat playing with a toy truck?

[Pesty]

7mike said:

So having missed their intended target, at what point did they conclude that their intended target was not actually a threat? And why couldn't they have reached this conclusion prior to shooting and missing?

why are you asking me that? im not justifying it in the slightest just postulating that because somebody got hit it doesn't mean they were trying to hit them.

[Digga]

Pesty said:

7mike said:

So having missed their intended target, at what point did they conclude that their intended target was not actually a threat? And why couldn't they have reached this conclusion prior to shooting and missing?

why are you asking me that? im not justifying it in the slightest just postulating that because somebody got hit it doesn't mean they were trying to hit them.

That's also why I said: "So were they aiming at the patient, ignoring the carer's pleas and missed and hit the carer by mistake?"

[anonymous-user]

MikeGTi said:

I can't speak for BiB, but in the Army it very much revolves around "imminent risk to life", a bit of judgemental training, and a sprinkling of experience.

Cheers for that.

[RizzoTheRat]

Digga said:

That's also why I said: "So were they aiming at the patient, ignoring the carer's pleas and missed and hit the carer by mistake?"

With a rifle at about 30 yards range! Surely anyone capable of missing a shot like that should be trusted with a gun either?

[MikeGTi]

Vandenberg said:

MikeGTi said:

I can't speak for BiB, but in the Army it very much revolves around "imminent risk to life", a bit of judgemental training, and a sprinkling of experience.

Cheers for that.

Just to add, that's for self defence.

With certain rules of engagement we can just decimate grid squares; I'm hoping the US Police haven't been given artillery yet.

[FredClogs]

Digga said:

Pesty said:

difference is in america somebody can pull out a gun in the blink of an eye.

Even as they're sat playing with a toy truck?

How were the cops supposed to know how big that toy truck was, it could have just been a very very long way away.

[Digga]

MikeGTi said:

With certain rules of engagement we can just decimate grid squares

Might I PM you regarding Stoke on Trent?

[Pesty]

Digga said:

ven as they're sat playing with a toy truck?

So they knew for a fact it was a truck are they clear voyant. Forgot Charles demeneziz (spelling already)? we've have cops here kill somebody with a table leg in a carrier bag. we've had cops shoot and kill naked men in their bedrooms. what country is it more likely a man to be armed? remember supposedly there were reports he was armed.

i wasnt there i am not justifying it it looks retarded to me and unjustifiable as much as it does to you.

ive seen enough videos where people have pulled guns out on cops. I don't or you don't know what they could see or what it looked like to them.
the fact remains that any situation there can turn nasty at any minute.

the guy wasn't responding because hes mentally ill.are police trained to shoot in such a situation? i dont know should they take their lives in their hands and approach on the off chance its a truck? maybe maybe not.

Ive never been in a situation like that, dont want to be.

just saying they were not probably shooting at the guy on the floor. doesn't mean i'm defending these guys.


its looks to me like there are a hundred different ways this could have ended without gunfire.

[MikeGTi]

No, fertile recruiting ground that is

[anonymous-user]

MikeGTi said:

Vandenberg said:

Anyone know how Risk assessment is taught to UK BiB and the Armed forces?

I can't speak for BiB, but in the Army it very much revolves around "imminent risk to life", a bit of judgemental training, and a sprinkling of experience.

Fundamentally around this model for the police: https://www.app.college.police.uk/app-content/nati...

[wc98]

silent ninja said:

glazbagun said:

silent ninja said:

Well you got tasay they're as consistent as their movies: shoot first, ask questions later

Clearly the IQ level of street officers in usa is very low. I don't mean this in an insulting way, but constructively they need to look at what level they're recruiting. The calibre seems to be a bunch who probably couldn't get employed anywhere else...so let'sjoin police force, great package, pensions etc Or maybe they just like shooting black folk

There is actually discrimination against applicants who are too intelligent. I am not making this up:

http://abcnews.go.com/US/court-oks-barring-high-iq...

Don't want any of them there smart people in the police force. They're so clever they might want to leave!

That's crazy and reinforces my point.
ONLY.IN.AMERICA.

agreed, that link from glazbagun explains a lot.

[babatunde]

R8Steve said:

Digga said:

onsider the video again, from the perspective of someone hepped up on caffeine and donuts. We should all be grateful it was just three shots really.

I think even if you considered the video again from the perspective of someone hepped up on a strong dose of LSD you'd struggle to see where there was a threat here. A man lying on the ground with his hands in the air and an adult sitting on the ground playing with a toy truck, possibly the least threatening situation you could think of.

Well the "Scary" Blackman might levitate and attack them, so better safe than sorry.

It's really very sad imagine this had happened before cell phones. The ill-trained storm troopers just seem to keep reinforcing the stereotype, at this point doesn't even matter what race the cop is, once they put on the uniform they seem to leave their brains in their lockers.

[jakesmith]

The older I ge and the more I read and see and learn, the more corrupt and corrupting I think the USA is. Their culture really is a million miles apart from ours. Their default position is right wing anarchy, every man for himself, where money and position is everything. People complain about inequality and injustice in the UK but we must be one of the best places to live on earth from what I can make out at the moment.