Uber are getting shirty
Discussion
S11Steve said:
Ok, that makes sense, but is that data being monetised outside of the PHO business, or is it simply being used for variable pricing?
It is being used to continual improve machine learning based "aka AI" models that can be applied to do many things. There are also a range of APIs for integration to other platforms.https://techcrunch.com/2016/06/16/talking-to-uberh...
But at the core - if you can take the data at scale, create constantly improving algorithms and data models, build savvy apps and integrate the insights and connectivity into other platforms through APIs then you can extend from cabs to home delivery, or B2B delivery. etc.
Sa Calobra said:
Will they win on appeal?
50-50.TFL wouldn't have made this call to get embarrassed in court, as this is global news. TFL will have had this looked into by their legal team.
Ubers major investors will be putting pressure on the board, as losing here could setoff a domino effect in other countries. I would guess Uber will strike a deal and concede on things they previously insisted were red lines, if they have any sense they will also aim to make peace and build relationships as falling out with the authorities is not good for business. The mayor was only elected recently last year so they have to deal with him for a few more years yet.
I use Uber all the time in America. Works well in LA, Miami, NYC and Chicago. People are friendly, hygienic and generally nice.
Used it twice in London and it sucked, smelly horrible cars and rude drivers so I stuck with Addison Lee. Much prefer Addison Lee as the fares are fixed, still works on GPS and the cars are all standard Ford Galaxy unless you go for Exec cars.
Used it twice in London and it sucked, smelly horrible cars and rude drivers so I stuck with Addison Lee. Much prefer Addison Lee as the fares are fixed, still works on GPS and the cars are all standard Ford Galaxy unless you go for Exec cars.
Don't know if this has been mentioned already as I haven't read through all the last few pages.
But in several occasions whilst in Boston visiting the misses we've used something called Lyft, same idea as Uber, you can leave tips, reviews and the passengers can also be reviewed. Seems to work well.
But in several occasions whilst in Boston visiting the misses we've used something called Lyft, same idea as Uber, you can leave tips, reviews and the passengers can also be reviewed. Seems to work well.
SystemParanoia said:
The Spruce goose said:
Its approach to how Enhanced Disclosure and Barring Service (DBS) checks are obtained.
This makes no sense...Having recently enjoyed the pointless unhelpfulness of the DBS service when chasing my own cert.. theres only one way to get a valid DBS.. and thats via HM gov.
If TFL don't like Uber's certs.. then they need to take it up with the service that provides them, and the Quango that runs it.
https://secure.crbonline.gov.uk/
If a person becomes of interest then the details used might be checked and anomalies are fairly obvious.
hyphen said:
Sa Calobra said:
Will they win on appeal?
50-50.TFL wouldn't have made this call to get embarrassed in court, as this is global news. TFL will have had this looked into by their legal team.
Ubers major investors will be putting pressure on the board, as losing here could setoff a domino effect in other countries. I would guess Uber will strike a deal and concede on things they previously insisted were red lines, if they have any sense they will also aim to make peace and build relationships as falling out with the authorities is not good for business. The mayor was only elected recently last year so they have to deal with him for a few more years yet.
As for his worship having done sufficient research - I'm not likely to bet on that.
First of all, Uber and Addison Lee cabs have some of the worst drivers in London closely followed by black cab drivers .and numbers should be curbed.
Having said that , the decision stinks .
A high court action centred around whether their app was time and distance metering failed to stop Uber , so a blatantly political (driven by pressure from black cab drivers ) decision has been made .
I was always against a London Mayor , and progressively the Mayors and their vanity projects have taken away any pleasure in working in the Capital
Having said that , the decision stinks .
A high court action centred around whether their app was time and distance metering failed to stop Uber , so a blatantly political (driven by pressure from black cab drivers ) decision has been made .
I was always against a London Mayor , and progressively the Mayors and their vanity projects have taken away any pleasure in working in the Capital
Lance Catamaran said:
I'm sure the fact the Taxi Union are backers of Khan had no bearing on his decision.....
This has been rumbling on for years and before Mayor Kahn's appointment.I don't think TfL have just got serious because of recent pressure from the Mayor. There are quite specific points that TfL have picked on to deny Uber a licence to operate. Should Uber address these then Uber will be, once again, allowed to operate.
As for the politics, when Boris ran for Mayor (the first time, I think) he courted the LTDA just as Kahn has done.
It's a disaster if you work in London and live somewhere else....I regularly get Ubers home (50 miles away - c£90) - if I could get a black cab to take me, it would cost double, I'd be in a s
tty vehicle (noisy, uncomfortable, polluting), and i'd probably have to put up with the drivers st banter all the way home.
Clearly a politically motivated decision, engineered by the LTDA and that a8sehole Khan.
FFS Uber is genuinely revolutionary - it increases the overall number of people who will take a cab (and afford to take a cab). London needs Uber.
tty vehicle (noisy, uncomfortable, polluting), and i'd probably have to put up with the drivers st banter all the way home.Clearly a politically motivated decision, engineered by the LTDA and that a8sehole Khan.
FFS Uber is genuinely revolutionary - it increases the overall number of people who will take a cab (and afford to take a cab). London needs Uber.
bqf said:
It's a disaster if you work in London and live somewhere else....I regularly get Ubers home (50 miles away - c£90) - if I could get a black cab to take me, it would cost double, I'd be in a stty vehicle (noisy, uncomfortable, polluting), and i'd probably have to put up with the drivers st banter all the way home.
Clearly a politically motivated decision, engineered by the LTDA and that a8sehole Khan.
FFS Uber is genuinely revolutionary - it increases the overall number of people who will take a cab (and afford to take a cab). London needs Uber.
Totally agree. tty vehicle (noisy, uncomfortable, polluting), and i'd probably have to put up with the drivers st banter all the way home.Clearly a politically motivated decision, engineered by the LTDA and that a8sehole Khan.
FFS Uber is genuinely revolutionary - it increases the overall number of people who will take a cab (and afford to take a cab). London needs Uber.
This looks to me like a negotiating tactic. Uber can address the specific points, but I reckon this is most likely about money.
When you dig a little into their corporate culture at what point do you decide "enough" on the likes of Uber and some reform is needed?
Their corporate culture is toxic. Doesn't it matter so long as the (subsidised) rides are cheap enough?
It's kind of ironic that anyone would say the system is bent because it's decided against big business.
Their corporate culture is toxic. Doesn't it matter so long as the (subsidised) rides are cheap enough?
It's kind of ironic that anyone would say the system is bent because it's decided against big business.
Having read into this further though, it's really nothing to worry about it because...
1. Uber can continue to operate whilst the appeal/s is ongoing - this process could take months/years to come to a conclusion.
2. Even in the extremely unlikely event that Uber don't have their licence renewed after all the fuss, this doesn't remove Uber from London (see below).
1. Uber can continue to operate whilst the appeal/s is ongoing - this process could take months/years to come to a conclusion.
2. Even in the extremely unlikely event that Uber don't have their licence renewed after all the fuss, this doesn't remove Uber from London (see below).
BBC article said:
Is there a loophole?
Could passengers in London still legally book an Uber even if the firm lost its TfL operating licence? In theory, yes.
In England and Wales, passengers can book a private hire vehicle from anywhere they like - just so long as the driver, the vehicle and the operator are all licensed by the same authority, and the booking is processed in that authority's area.
That doesn't need to be the same place the passenger wants to be picked up or dropped off. Uber has lots of licences outside London, and app-based services like Uber can process bookings almost anywhere they like.
TfL aren't happy with this state of affairs and say they're lobbying the government to tighten up the rules.
But for the time being, even if Uber lost their London licence, a passenger in the capital could book an Uber licensed in, say, Brighton - and it would be completely above board.
Could passengers in London still legally book an Uber even if the firm lost its TfL operating licence? In theory, yes.
In England and Wales, passengers can book a private hire vehicle from anywhere they like - just so long as the driver, the vehicle and the operator are all licensed by the same authority, and the booking is processed in that authority's area.
That doesn't need to be the same place the passenger wants to be picked up or dropped off. Uber has lots of licences outside London, and app-based services like Uber can process bookings almost anywhere they like.
TfL aren't happy with this state of affairs and say they're lobbying the government to tighten up the rules.
But for the time being, even if Uber lost their London licence, a passenger in the capital could book an Uber licensed in, say, Brighton - and it would be completely above board.
it is clear whatever the fanboys say Uber has a long list of ethical and morality issues over its use of the app, I have this judgement really shakes things up, it is amazing how people see a big brand and allow them full access for the convenience. Uber lost there license due to the lack of corporate responsibility.
bhstewie said:
hstewie said: When you dig a little into their corporate culture at what point do you decide "enough" on the likes of Uber and some reform is needed?
Their corporate culture is toxic. Doesn't it matter so long as the (subsidised) rides are cheap enough?
It's kind of ironic that anyone would say the system is bent because it's decided against big business.
If you cared that much about Corporate culture, you wouldn't be able to shop anywhere. Topshop, Amazon, Uber, all Banks, Tesco, Sports Direct, wherever - there is always some form of 'cultural issue' that sells papers and keeps journos writing.Their corporate culture is toxic. Doesn't it matter so long as the (subsidised) rides are cheap enough?
It's kind of ironic that anyone would say the system is bent because it's decided against big business.
Uber has 40,000 drivers - I use the service a lot, and in my experience they all like the flexibility, earn decent money, and wouldn't be without it. I like the fact the cars are of a good standard, the drivers are usually pleasant and capable, and the fares are half other cabs.
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