13yr old killed in F50
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Yeah completely serious
IMO prison should be for those people that are a danger to society or who go out with the sole intention of committing a crime. This, to my mind, was the opposite, an unfortunate accident where the guy was actually trying to make the kid's day but it all went wrong as could so easily happen should something unexpected happen.
The guy obviously feels s
t about what happened but what's locking him up in a box for 18 months (and the huge cost associated) going to improve?
IMO prison should be for those people that are a danger to society or who go out with the sole intention of committing a crime. This, to my mind, was the opposite, an unfortunate accident where the guy was actually trying to make the kid's day but it all went wrong as could so easily happen should something unexpected happen.
The guy obviously feels s
t about what happened but what's locking him up in a box for 18 months (and the huge cost associated) going to improve?kiethton said:
Yeah completely serious
IMO prison should be for those people that are a danger to society or who go out with the sole intention of committing a crime. This, to my mind, was the opposite, an unfortunate accident where the guy was actually trying to make the kid's day but it all went wrong as could so easily happen should something unexpected happen.
The guy obviously feels st about what happened but what's locking him up in a box for 18 months (and the huge cost associated) going to improve?
There is no way on earth that you could spin a car through a fence on that road unless you were driving like an absolutely knob. It is a 10 mile an hour concrete road. With an ounce of common sense, it would not have happened, and I don't agree that it would "easily happen". If somebody had t-boned him on a main road, I might agree with you more.IMO prison should be for those people that are a danger to society or who go out with the sole intention of committing a crime. This, to my mind, was the opposite, an unfortunate accident where the guy was actually trying to make the kid's day but it all went wrong as could so easily happen should something unexpected happen.
The guy obviously feels s
t about what happened but what's locking him up in a box for 18 months (and the huge cost associated) going to improve?In my opinion - and apparently the courts - he was 100% to blame for killing a young child regardless of intent. The fact that he didn't insist on seat belts is even worse. He feels s
t? I'd put money on the fact that he feels about 1% as st as the parents.kiethton said:
That sentence is an absolute joke in the circumstances, especially given the lack of malice, actually the opposite, and the huge costs associated with prison - surely the same time period suspended would have just as much of an effect.
The driving ban too - this happened on a private road IIRC so totally irrelevant to that, how's the bloke meant to work when he gets out, obviously all of his experience is in a car related field.
Excellently put; another great win for the judicial system - notThe driving ban too - this happened on a private road IIRC so totally irrelevant to that, how's the bloke meant to work when he gets out, obviously all of his experience is in a car related field.
kiethton said:
Yeah completely serious
IMO prison should be for those people that are a danger to society or who go out with the sole intention of committing a crime. This, to my mind, was the opposite, an unfortunate accident where the guy was actually trying to make the kid's day but it all went wrong as could so easily happen should something unexpected happen.
The guy obviously feels st about what happened but what's locking him up in a box for 18 months (and the huge cost associated) going to improve?
It'll make people like you think twice about doing something similar. Something unexpected did happen. It was too powerful for him and he couldn't control it, so he crashed it and killed someone. All he had to do was be a bit sensible and everything would've been ok, he would've still made the kid's day.IMO prison should be for those people that are a danger to society or who go out with the sole intention of committing a crime. This, to my mind, was the opposite, an unfortunate accident where the guy was actually trying to make the kid's day but it all went wrong as could so easily happen should something unexpected happen.
The guy obviously feels s
t about what happened but what's locking him up in a box for 18 months (and the huge cost associated) going to improve?Sentence was pretty much as expected then. With regards to whether or not it's fitting, I can see both sides of the argument.
I know that the collision took place with no pre-meditation or ill-intent - he didn't set out to kill the boy and injure himself. Prison won't fix what happened.
On the other hand, as the judge said, he was "showing off" and his actions caused loss of life, and he should be culpable for that.
So, I can see both sides of the argument, and I'm not sure where I stand on it to be honest. All I know is, that next time I'm taking a kid for a spin in one of the cars, I'll be super careful.
There but for the grace of God go I.
I know that the collision took place with no pre-meditation or ill-intent - he didn't set out to kill the boy and injure himself. Prison won't fix what happened.
On the other hand, as the judge said, he was "showing off" and his actions caused loss of life, and he should be culpable for that.
So, I can see both sides of the argument, and I'm not sure where I stand on it to be honest. All I know is, that next time I'm taking a kid for a spin in one of the cars, I'll be super careful.
There but for the grace of God go I.
I think the sentence is about right, given that (as the parents and judge said) nothing can bring the poor lad back.
It was an unfortunate accident, but his defence was frankly a lie, to try to wriggle off the hook. Had he put his hands up, admitted that his driving was at fault (I know we all struggle to do this as PBCD’s) and not put the family through the stress of a trial then he’d probably have got a suspended sentence.
It was an unfortunate accident, but his defence was frankly a lie, to try to wriggle off the hook. Had he put his hands up, admitted that his driving was at fault (I know we all struggle to do this as PBCD’s) and not put the family through the stress of a trial then he’d probably have got a suspended sentence.
kiethton said:
That sentence is an absolute joke in the circumstances, especially given the lack of malice, actually the opposite, and the huge costs associated with prison - surely the same time period suspended would have just as much of an effect.
The driving ban too - this happened on a private road IIRC so totally irrelevant to that, how's the bloke meant to work when he gets out, obviously all of his experience is in a car related field.
I'm not sure that the incident happening on a private road is relevant to anything. Nor the lack of malice. What the incident highlighted was the guy's total lack of control and due consideration when in charge of a vehicle. I struggle to believe he won't have exhibited the same lack of judgement at other times.The driving ban too - this happened on a private road IIRC so totally irrelevant to that, how's the bloke meant to work when he gets out, obviously all of his experience is in a car related field.
I would have thought his livelihood in his prior profession would be in serious jeopardy as a result of that, ban or no ban.
I would also imagine the boy's parents would think a suspended sentence a joke.
Generally I think causing harm to others in anything other than self defence warrants time - both for reflection for the individual and as a deterrent (yes, I accept that this may be limited in impact).
ClaphamGT3 said:
kiethton said:
That sentence is an absolute joke in the circumstances, especially given the lack of malice, actually the opposite, and the huge costs associated with prison - surely the same time period suspended would have just as much of an effect.
The driving ban too - this happened on a private road IIRC so totally irrelevant to that, how's the bloke meant to work when he gets out, obviously all of his experience is in a car related field.
Excellently put; another great win for the judicial system - notThe driving ban too - this happened on a private road IIRC so totally irrelevant to that, how's the bloke meant to work when he gets out, obviously all of his experience is in a car related field.
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He may not be a continuing danger to the public, though, and I suspect that the crash, and the death of Alexander Worth, are going to be a longer lasting, harsher lesson to him than this prison sentence. In this much I do agree - prison is often regarded as a "last resort" with petty, and sometimes even violent criminals, and we're often told that the prison system is stretched. So why incarcerate Matthew Cobden? Suspend his sentence for an extended period? Yes. Massive driving ban? Yes. Issue him with a GPS tag? Yes. Subject him to a curfew? Yes to that too. But I have a sneaking suspicion that if he'd caused the death of another middle-aged man, who was himself showing off and hanging out of the car, instead of a child, then it wouldn't have come to this. I think there is a hint of emotional necessity in the sentencing ("because child victim") and also a large dose of "don't anyone else be caught doing this" example setting. The rights and wrongs of verdict and sentencing, though, are no doubt within the limits of the law, so in reality there should be no complaints. That said, no amount of money, nor any amount of jail time, will bring Alexander Worth back, so clamouring for a stronger sentence would be of little use too.
Sad story all round. He was trying to brighten a young car fan's life a little. For most people a ride in an F50 is a once-in-a-lifetime experience. I'm pretty certain he had no intention of wrecking a car, killing the kid, nor risking killing himself when he fired up that engine. He's got to live with the result forever now. As do young Alexander's parents. And given the same situation, I think i'd have let either of my sons get in that car too...
kiethton said:
Yeah completely serious
IMO prison should be for those people that are a danger to society or who go out with the sole intention of committing a crime. This, to my mind, was the opposite, an unfortunate accident where the guy was actually trying to make the kid's day but it all went wrong as could so easily happen should something unexpected happen.
The guy obviously feels st about what happened but what's locking him up in a box for 18 months (and the huge cost associated) going to improve?
A sentence is also meant to be a deterrent. IMO prison should be for those people that are a danger to society or who go out with the sole intention of committing a crime. This, to my mind, was the opposite, an unfortunate accident where the guy was actually trying to make the kid's day but it all went wrong as could so easily happen should something unexpected happen.
The guy obviously feels s
t about what happened but what's locking him up in a box for 18 months (and the huge cost associated) going to improve?kiethton said:
That sentence is an absolute joke in the circumstances, especially given the lack of malice, actually the opposite, and the huge costs associated with prison - surely the same time period suspended would have just as much of an effect.
The driving ban too - this happened on a private road IIRC so totally irrelevant to that, how's the bloke meant to work when he gets out, obviously all of his experience is in a car related field.
Let's hope you'd say the same if it were your son.The driving ban too - this happened on a private road IIRC so totally irrelevant to that, how's the bloke meant to work when he gets out, obviously all of his experience is in a car related field.
Gary C said:
kiethton said:
Yeah completely serious
IMO prison should be for those people that are a danger to society or who go out with the sole intention of committing a crime. This, to my mind, was the opposite, an unfortunate accident where the guy was actually trying to make the kid's day but it all went wrong as could so easily happen should something unexpected happen.
The guy obviously feels st about what happened but what's locking him up in a box for 18 months (and the huge cost associated) going to improve?
A sentence is also meant to be a deterrent. IMO prison should be for those people that are a danger to society or who go out with the sole intention of committing a crime. This, to my mind, was the opposite, an unfortunate accident where the guy was actually trying to make the kid's day but it all went wrong as could so easily happen should something unexpected happen.
The guy obviously feels s
t about what happened but what's locking him up in a box for 18 months (and the huge cost associated) going to improve?At the end of the day a young boy lost his life and the defendant chose to plead not guilty and drag it out throughout the trial, anything other than a prison sentence was highly unlikely.
kiethton said:
Yeah completely serious
The guy obviously feels st about what happened but what's locking him up in a box for 18 months (and the huge cost associated) going to improve?
Maybe prison will focus his attention to:-The guy obviously feels s
t about what happened but what's locking him up in a box for 18 months (and the huge cost associated) going to improve?1) Not drive like a twonk with someone else's kid in someone else's million quid car
2) Make sure his underage passengers wear their seatbelts next time.
3) Not roll a car in a 10mph speed limit again.
Just a thought
kiethton said:
That sentence is an absolute joke in the circumstances, especially given the lack of malice, actually the opposite, and the huge costs associated with prison - surely the same time period suspended would have just as much of an effect.
The driving ban too - this happened on a private road IIRC so totally irrelevant to that, how's the bloke meant to work when he gets out, obviously all of his experience is in a car related field.
Unbelievable!The driving ban too - this happened on a private road IIRC so totally irrelevant to that, how's the bloke meant to work when he gets out, obviously all of his experience is in a car related field.
He should have thought of all that before his reckless actions.
The sentence is lenient.
How's he meant to work? Tough s
t is the answer.kiethton said:
Yeah completely serious
IMO prison should be for those people that are a danger to society or who go out with the sole intention of committing a crime. This, to my mind, was the opposite, an unfortunate accident where the guy was actually trying to make the kid's day but it all went wrong as could so easily happen should something unexpected happen.
The guy obviously feels st about what happened but what's locking him up in a box for 18 months (and the huge cost associated) going to improve?
It's going to punish him, and it's going to make other idiots who think they can handle powerful cars think twice before showing off.IMO prison should be for those people that are a danger to society or who go out with the sole intention of committing a crime. This, to my mind, was the opposite, an unfortunate accident where the guy was actually trying to make the kid's day but it all went wrong as could so easily happen should something unexpected happen.
The guy obviously feels s
t about what happened but what's locking him up in a box for 18 months (and the huge cost associated) going to improve?With any luck it'll finish his business off too. Like anyone's going to trust him with their car now.
Yeah , a very big mess indeed . I also would have had more sympathy for him if he'd put his hands up to making a error , and the seat belt issue is impossible to see past for me . I'm sure we've all done stupid things , I know I have . Luckily for most we got/get away with it much of the time . He's luck run out on that day , sadly .
Edited by Captain Smerc on Monday 26th March 17:29
Ructions said:
He will serve half of that 18 months so he'll be out for Christmas. I'm not sure how tagging works and if he would be a suitable person, so he could possibly be released sooner.
He isn’t eligible for home detention curfew as he committed a homicide offence. He will be automatically released from custody after 9 months. The remainder of his sentence is served on licence. His driving ban starts upon release from prison. Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff