Politics in France
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Puggit said:
Raygun said:
Puggit said:
With 9m votes counted Le Pen on 25%, Macron 21% - Andrew Neil on Twitter
Fake news snowflake, the geezer Macron is in the lead.Macron could almost be a made up character from a book...narcissistic young ex-investment banker starts his own party with the same initials as his name and, through luck and exposing a scandal for his main rival, becomes president of France.
Tune in in June for the parliamentary election to find out what happens next...
loafer123 said:
Macron could almost be a made up character from a book...narcissistic young ex-investment banker starts his own party with the same initials as his name and, through luck and exposing a scandal for his main rival, becomes president of France.
Tune in in June for the parliamentary election to find out what happens next...
Carefully groomed and with some powerful backers behind the scenes per an article I read.Tune in in June for the parliamentary election to find out what happens next...
The only problem he has the more he is in the spotlight the more his weirdness comes through.
One observer watching him interact with his wife (his old primary school teacher) said he behaved like a little boy around her.
Anyhow almost certain to win with the French establishment behind him and if he is indeed the French 'Blair' then the French will get what they vote for.
Eddie Strohacker said:
Loads of French friends saying this. Macron is magnolia, he won't be making an impact on anything any time soon but there was a fascist on the ballot & it's that simple, they say.
Good rule, of thumb in elections, don't vote for fascists.
Is she a fascist or do the media and left call her a fascist to stop people voting for her.Good rule, of thumb in elections, don't vote for fascists.
Remember trump is literally hitler for wanting to deport illegal aliens but nobody said jack when obama did it.
Wanting to stem the tide of third world immigration does not make you a fascist can you tell me some of her fascist ideals?
smifffymoto said:
Tbh this election will be like all others,they moan about about this and that but don't have the balls to vote for real change.
It's the French all over,don't have the balls to follow through,not just at the ballot box but politics and political reform in general.
Exactly this. In fact last year I was talking to a French chap about Brexit, and he said he could fully understand why it had happened, and many in France wished for the same, but didn't have the guts to go through with making the change. They would "leave it for the next generation", and so it goes on...It's the French all over,don't have the balls to follow through,not just at the ballot box but politics and political reform in general.
Yipper said:
In the end, an easy win for Macron (24%). Obviously, Le Pen (22%) is not mightier than the sword. Macron is a surefire 1/9 at the bookies to be prez. The far-right uprising prompted by Brexit and Trump is fading away as quick as it came.
Absolutely, your comments are nailed on - the FN is dead in the water.France24 said:
NATIONAL FRONT’S BEST EVER SHOWING
Marine Le Pen set a new record for her party by winning more than 6.9 million of the votes counted thus far, the party’s best ever performance
Ooops - more like wishful thinking Marine Le Pen set a new record for her party by winning more than 6.9 million of the votes counted thus far, the party’s best ever performance
Pesty said:
Is she a fascist or do the media and left call her a fascist to stop people voting for her.
Remember trump is literally hitler for wanting to deport illegal aliens but nobody said jack when obama did it.
Wanting to stem the tide of third world immigration does not make you a fascist can you tell me some of her fascist ideals?
No she's a fascist pure & simple. Always the same rhetoric with fascism, it starts the same way every time - the country is broken, only we can fix it.Remember trump is literally hitler for wanting to deport illegal aliens but nobody said jack when obama did it.
Wanting to stem the tide of third world immigration does not make you a fascist can you tell me some of her fascist ideals?
Le Pen's public positions on a range of issues talk about how France has lost her grandeur, the system is broken, money has caused delocalistion (her actual words) of business, we must stop this by banning all immigration.
We saw the exact same rhetoric from the far right here in the wake of the Westminster attack - Farage said what politicians have done over the past 15 years (he is one by the way, despite his endless claims to be an outsider) would affect the way the country lives for the next 100 years, despite the fact the attacker came from Kent.
Hopkins said we were disunited & cowed on Fox news.Pure b
ks. The point is we're often told the left hate their own country. In fact if you pay attention to the rhetoric of far right wing politics, the opposite is true. They use any event, no matter how thin their evidence to exploit their country for political gain & Le Pen is textbook.So yes, she's a fascist, an out & out fascist, offering simple solutions to complex problems for the gratification of people looking for easy answers & I'm delighted the French see through it as they have done ever since the FN came into being.
Eddie Strohacker said:
So yes, she's a fascist, an out & out fascist, offering simple solutions to complex problems for the gratification of people looking for easy answers & I'm delighted the French see through it as they have done ever since the FN came into being.
Sounds a bit like Corbyn promising 4 more bank holidays - and I repeat that the FN have had their strongest ever results. Amazing how people try and dress that up as a crushing disaster.
Puggit said:
Sounds a bit like Corbyn promising 4 more bank holidays - and I repeat that the FN have had their strongest ever results.
Amazing how people try and dress that up as a crushing disaster.
OK, wait for the 2nd round & look up a bit of French political history while you're there.Amazing how people try and dress that up as a crushing disaster.
Eddie Strohacker said:
Puggit said:
Sounds a bit like Corbyn promising 4 more bank holidays - and I repeat that the FN have had their strongest ever results.
Amazing how people try and dress that up as a crushing disaster.
OK, wait for the 2nd round & look up a bit of French political history while you're there.Amazing how people try and dress that up as a crushing disaster.
Everyone said UKIP were a flash in the pan. Well they've achieved their main political aim, and without any meaningful control of power.
Eddie Strohacker said:
Maybe, maybe not. The question posed was is she a fascist? The answer is yes, she is & the worst kind - a fascist who tries to portray themselves as something other than that.
so just like the small group of people that *actually* run the European Union ? Tusk & Juncker??Eddie Strohacker said:
So yes, she's a fascist, an out & out fascist, offering simple solutions to complex problems for the gratification of people looking for easy answers
Which is no real difference from the far left....they just wrap it up with a different colour rosette and different principles, but the end result is the same.That's why France ended up the way it did during WW2, even the two 'resistance' movements hated each other......and the pro-facist Vichy Govt were just added to the mix.
Crikey even the fact that Hitler attacked Salin's Soviet Union was bizarre in that, in just about every practical way, they were like for like!!
Ziplobb said:
Eddie Strohacker said:
Maybe, maybe not. The question posed was is she a fascist? The answer is yes, she is & the worst kind - a fascist who tries to portray themselves as something other than that.
so just like the small group of people that *actually* run the European Union ? Tusk & Juncker??https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/fasci...
1. An authoritarian and nationalistic system of government and social organization.
1.1 (in general use) extreme authoritarian, oppressive, or intolerant views or practices.
‘this is yet another example of health fascism in action’
Obviously we have to be flexible with the fact the EU is not a single nation, but otherwise the definition strongly fits: An extreme form of patriotism marked by a feeling of superiority over other countries.
Lance Catamaran said:
Satire perhaps, but it is a very good assessment of what's going on in politics here and in Europe.Ziplobb said:
Eddie Strohacker said:
Maybe, maybe not. The question posed was is she a fascist? The answer is yes, she is & the worst kind - a fascist who tries to portray themselves as something other than that.
so just like the small group of people that *actually* run the European Union ? Tusk & Juncker??
As is often the case the most 'anti-fascist' people are often, just exactly the same in so many ways.
So after literary years of predicting that Le Pen will win the first round, (well some 'thought' that she'll get 40%), now it's back to 'oh look but she increased her share'.
Same demographics that were voting for ukip here are voting for FN there. Mostly C2 and lower. Unsurprisingly.
Same demographics that were voting for ukip here are voting for FN there. Mostly C2 and lower. Unsurprisingly.
JagLover said:
loafer123 said:
Macron could almost be a made up character from a book...narcissistic young ex-investment banker starts his own party with the same initials as his name and, through luck and exposing a scandal for his main rival, becomes president of France.
Tune in in June for the parliamentary election to find out what happens next...
Carefully groomed and with some powerful backers behind the scenes per an article I read.Tune in in June for the parliamentary election to find out what happens next...
The only problem he has the more he is in the spotlight the more his weirdness comes through.
One observer watching him interact with his wife (his old primary school teacher) said he behaved like a little boy around her.
Anyhow almost certain to win with the French establishment behind him and if he is indeed the French 'Blair' then the French will get what they vote for.
At least the French have some different options.
Edited by anonymous-user on Monday 24th April 09:09
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