Politics in France
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jsf said:
Is it just me that thinks Macron being the opposition in the 2nd round is a gift for Le Pen?
He is the establishment personified, an elite high school education where the French grow their establishment figures, former finance minister who bought himself out of his government contract to work for the Rothschild's. He then moved back into politics and served in a high profile role in Hollandes staff then worked for Vall's in a senior finance role. He is rabid pro EU.
If I was writing a resume for someone to use as a target for the anti establishment, anti status quo people to vote against, it would look like Macron.
My lefty friends in France are going for a 'vote blanc' (basically handing in an empty voting sheet) or refusing to vote. It is interesting as historically they'd have voted tactically to keep Le Pen out, but now refuse to vote for someone like Macron. He is the establishment personified, an elite high school education where the French grow their establishment figures, former finance minister who bought himself out of his government contract to work for the Rothschild's. He then moved back into politics and served in a high profile role in Hollandes staff then worked for Vall's in a senior finance role. He is rabid pro EU.
If I was writing a resume for someone to use as a target for the anti establishment, anti status quo people to vote against, it would look like Macron.
If Le Pen does win (I still doubt it), the political class have only themselves to blame.
Wobbegong said:
jsf said:
Is it just me that thinks Macron being the opposition in the 2nd round is a gift for Le Pen?
He is the establishment personified, an elite high school education where the French grow their establishment figures, former finance minister who bought himself out of his government contract to work for the Rothschild's. He then moved back into politics and served in a high profile role in Hollandes staff then worked for Vall's in a senior finance role. He is rabid pro EU.
If I was writing a resume for someone to use as a target for the anti establishment, anti status quo people to vote against, it would look like Macron.
My lefty friends in France are going for a 'vote blanc' (basically handing in an empty voting sheet) or refusing to vote. It is interesting as historically they'd have voted tactically to keep Le Pen out, but now refuse to vote for someone like Macron. He is the establishment personified, an elite high school education where the French grow their establishment figures, former finance minister who bought himself out of his government contract to work for the Rothschild's. He then moved back into politics and served in a high profile role in Hollandes staff then worked for Vall's in a senior finance role. He is rabid pro EU.
If I was writing a resume for someone to use as a target for the anti establishment, anti status quo people to vote against, it would look like Macron.
If Le Pen does win (I still doubt it), the political class have only themselves to blame.
ked as the French youth are under more EU. Wobbegong said:
My lefty friends in France are going for a 'vote blanc' (basically handing in an empty voting sheet) or refusing to vote. It is interesting as historically they'd have voted tactically to keep Le Pen out, but now refuse to vote for someone like Macron.
If Le Pen does win (I still doubt it), the political class have only themselves to blame.
I'm now watching this with a huge amount of interest. If Le Pen does win (I still doubt it), the political class have only themselves to blame.
It is unlikely but how many voters might just be tempted to tick the box for Le Pen when in an enclosed booth and the other option is Macron?
bobbo89 said:
I'm now watching this with a huge amount of interest.
It is unlikely but how many voters might just be tempted to tick the box for Le Pen when in an enclosed booth and the other option is Macron?
It's not going to happen. At least not this time. It is unlikely but how many voters might just be tempted to tick the box for Le Pen when in an enclosed booth and the other option is Macron?
Any increase in Le Pen's vote will be a warning for Macron and the EU. If they don't listen and act constructively, she'll either do much, much better next time out (especially if she is able to moderate further) or ANOther party will adopt some of the policies the EU fear and they will get in.
Murph7355 said:
It's not going to happen. At least not this time.
Any increase in Le Pen's vote will be a warning for Macron and the EU. If they don't listen and act constructively, she'll either do much, much better next time out (especially if she is able to moderate further) or ANOther party will adopt some of the policies the EU fear and they will get in.
There's no 'if' in terms of the EU listening. What reaction has the Brexit vote or A50 instigated? The only reaction I have seen is the standard 'more Europe is the answer'.Any increase in Le Pen's vote will be a warning for Macron and the EU. If they don't listen and act constructively, she'll either do much, much better next time out (especially if she is able to moderate further) or ANOther party will adopt some of the policies the EU fear and they will get in.
Murph7355 said:
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Macron's plans don't seem any more fiscally viable the way I read them. And I'm not sure his track record is considered that great. But best of luck to him. If he can pull it all of, I might even start to think staying in the EU might have been a good idea
Found this. From what's written Macron policies make a lot more sense, to me. Macron's plans don't seem any more fiscally viable the way I read them. And I'm not sure his track record is considered that great. But best of luck to him. If he can pull it all of, I might even start to think staying in the EU might have been a good idea
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-39705744
jjlynn27 said:
Found this. From what's written Macron policies make a lot more sense, to me.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-39705744
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-39705744
Cutting taxes, increasing investment expenditure, reducing the budget deficit.....sounds fairly sensible.
jjlynn27 said:
Digga said:
he difference in France is the lost demographic - the numbers of youngsters there who are hard right, rather than moderate or liberal left. Youth unemployment is creating a very different political dynamic to, say, the UK or USA.
Generalising about people, just because of their voting preference is, frankly, cretinous. It's like taking the view that all overweight people are dumb, because they 'must' know their diet and lifestyle is killing them.
An analogy with overweight people is odd, to put it mildly.Generalising about people, just because of their voting preference is, frankly, cretinous. It's like taking the view that all overweight people are dumb, because they 'must' know their diet and lifestyle is killing them.
UKIP voters; here is the table representing percentages for certain groups of voters.
From yougov, which column is for UKIP?
I've just had a meeting with one of the wealthiest of my mates from school. He's a bit younger than me, but already wealthy enough to retire on a very decent income. (He won't because his youngest child is six, so he and his wife can't just swan off around the world, so he might as well keep a few irons in the fire). He was a tearaway at school, not the least academic, more than a bit disruptive and never had any higher education. He's one of the sharpest guys I know.
One of the brightest guys I knew at school is a police officer - it was a vocation for him and so lumping him into the intelligence and education equals affluence is a nonsense.
Education does not equate to intelligence any more than a modest income equates to education.
jjlynn27 said:
Murph7355 said:
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Macron's plans don't seem any more fiscally viable the way I read them. And I'm not sure his track record is considered that great. But best of luck to him. If he can pull it all of, I might even start to think staying in the EU might have been a good idea
Found this. From what's written Macron policies make a lot more sense, to me. Macron's plans don't seem any more fiscally viable the way I read them. And I'm not sure his track record is considered that great. But best of luck to him. If he can pull it all of, I might even start to think staying in the EU might have been a good idea
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-39705744
i don't think policies will come into the equation, macron is a shoe in .his emergence in a very short time should be a warning for the eu though,next time it could be an anti eu candidate that is far more palatable than mlp.
wc98 said:
which ones ? i can see good policies for both and some not so good. 12 pupils per teacher in primary schools in the poorer regions looks a great proposal , would need a hell of a lot more teachers with average classes currently around 25 (as an aside a number the snp have recently abandoned on the quiet) from what i can see.
i don't think policies will come into the equation, macron is a shoe in .his emergence in a very short time should be a warning for the eu though,next time it could be an anti eu candidate that is far more palatable than mlp.
Brushstrokes, compared to MLP policies. i don't think policies will come into the equation, macron is a shoe in .his emergence in a very short time should be a warning for the eu though,next time it could be an anti eu candidate that is far more palatable than mlp.
wc98 said:
jjlynn27 said:
Murph7355 said:
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Macron's plans don't seem any more fiscally viable the way I read them. And I'm not sure his track record is considered that great. But best of luck to him. If he can pull it all of, I might even start to think staying in the EU might have been a good idea
Found this. From what's written Macron policies make a lot more sense, to me. Macron's plans don't seem any more fiscally viable the way I read them. And I'm not sure his track record is considered that great. But best of luck to him. If he can pull it all of, I might even start to think staying in the EU might have been a good idea
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-39705744
i don't think policies will come into the equation, macron is a shoe in .his emergence in a very short time should be a warning for the eu though,next time it could be an anti eu candidate that is far more palatable than mlp.
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