Politics in France

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jjlynn27

7,935 posts

108 months

Monday 19th June 2017
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Eddie Strohacker said:
s2art said:
If you think Farage is anything close to resembling a fascist then you just lost whatever smidgen of credibility you may have had. I mean, seriously?
Yes, seriously. I'll just have to take it on the chin that some guy on the internet doesn't think I'm credible.
You are way out of line Eddie. Farage would never, ever stoop to such levels.



Obviously, from an early age, the only thing he ever wanted to do is to get a good education and because of that people are accusing him of singing 'gas them all'.

http://www.newsweek.com/nigel-farages-fascist-neo-...

Some people have no shame, attacking our national treasure like that.

scherzkeks

4,460 posts

133 months

Monday 19th June 2017
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s2art said:
Eddie Strohacker said:
Raygun said:
What you want to remember is that millions of Frenchies voted for a fascist the other week, something that wouldn't happen here.
I agree & he gave it seven tries, so even the margin for error can fk off.
If you think Farage is anything close to resembling a fascist then you just lost whatever smidgen of credibility you may have had. I mean, seriously?
Word-think. He doesn't need to debate or engage in critical thinking when he can just call everyone a fascist.

Never have I witnessed a movement of more uninterested and clueless individuals than the current neo-progressive left. Makes me ashamed to even be on the same part of the politcal spectrum.

Eddie Strohacker

3,879 posts

85 months

Monday 19th June 2017
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scherzkeks said:
Word-think. He doesn't need to debate or engage in critical thinking when he can just call everyone a fascist.

Never has there been a movement of more uninterested and clueless individuals than the current neo-progressive left.
I see the thesaurus swallower is back in town. How about a nice meme to prove my cognitive dissonance? Come on Shirley, I know you got 'em back there.

Murph7355

37,651 posts

255 months

Monday 19th June 2017
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jjlynn27 said:
Rereading few pages of this thread was fun. Seems that I was right that good old Frenchies are not as easily frightened by 'scary furiners' and don't feel very oppressed by EU.

Well, good luck to them and EM. Quite a few NP&E posters must feel disappointed that Le Pen got told to jog on.
I don't think it's that simple.

Le Pen had the EU establishment worried. And she garnered a pretty sizeable part of the vote when you consider the "non-EU" elements of her policies. General elections are fought on much more than a single policy hence it's impossible to read anything much into them about a specific policy.

Remember that she's just been elected to government. She will continue to be a thorn in the side of Macron and the EU I suspect. Look how effective Farage was at that, and he was never even elected to government...

I think Macron knows this, and it's why he pushed the line that change is needed in the EU. It would not surprise me if he was advising/warning Merkel and the others that unless they start to bend, the whole thing could easily snap within the next decade.

scherzkeks

4,460 posts

133 months

Monday 19th June 2017
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Eddie Strohacker said:
scherzkeks said:
Word-think. He doesn't need to debate or engage in critical thinking when he can just call everyone a fascist.

Never has there been a movement of more uninterested and clueless individuals than the current neo-progressive left.
I see the thesaurus swallower is back in town. How about a nice meme to prove my cognitive dissonance? Come on Shirley, I know you got 'em back there.
You forgot to mention Hitler.

Eddie Strohacker

3,879 posts

85 months

Monday 19th June 2017
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scherzkeks said:
You forgot to mention Hitler.
I'll do it on the Trump thread, please join me there. Best regards x

scherzkeks

4,460 posts

133 months

Monday 19th June 2017
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Eddie Strohacker said:
scherzkeks said:
You forgot to mention Hitler.
I'll do it on the Trump thread, please join me there. Best regards x
Off to your safe space. smile

Mr GrimNasty

8,172 posts

169 months

Monday 19th June 2017
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BlackLabel said:
It's remarkable how quickly he's progressed in politics.
If he wasn't a Europhile/globalist it would be called the rise of populism.

But he is, so it's good old fashioned democracy at its best.

anonymous-user

53 months

Monday 19th June 2017
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Murph7355 said:
Le Pen had the EU establishment worried. And she garnered a pretty sizeable part of the vote when you consider the "non-EU" elements of her policies.
Even though France is at the forefront of the EU and has a lot of support for it, it is home to a lot of fascists,it is now and always has been, the willingness of the Vichy government in the war only has to tell you that.
Sorry if that hurts the liberal left types who thinks France can do no wrong as far as they are concerned but it's the truth.

Countdown

39,690 posts

195 months

Monday 19th June 2017
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Raygun said:
Even though France is at the forefront of the EU and has a lot of support for it, it is home to a lot of fascists,it is now and always has been, the willingness of the Vichy government in the war only has to tell you that.
Sorry if that hurts the liberal left types who thinks France can do no wrong as far as they are concerned but it's the truth.
You're probably right and, let's be honest, ALL countries have some element of the far Right in them. But it's clear in this case that the fascists are in a minority. As far as I'm concerned that's excellent.

anonymous-user

53 months

Monday 19th June 2017
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Countdown said:
Raygun said:
Even though France is at the forefront of the EU and has a lot of support for it, it is home to a lot of fascists,it is now and always has been, the willingness of the Vichy government in the war only has to tell you that.
Sorry if that hurts the liberal left types who thinks France can do no wrong as far as they are concerned but it's the truth.
You're probably right and, let's be honest, ALL countries have some element of the far Right in them. But it's clear in this case that the fascists are in a minority. As far as I'm concerned that's excellent.
Absolutely.

jjlynn27

7,935 posts

108 months

Monday 19th June 2017
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Murph7355 said:
I don't think it's that simple.

Le Pen had the EU establishment worried. And she garnered a pretty sizeable part of the vote when you consider the "non-EU" elements of her policies. General elections are fought on much more than a single policy hence it's impossible to read anything much into them about a specific policy.

Remember that she's just been elected to government. She will continue to be a thorn in the side of Macron and the EU I suspect. Look how effective Farage was at that, and he was never even elected to government...

I think Macron knows this, and it's why he pushed the line that change is needed in the EU. It would not surprise me if he was advising/warning Merkel and the others that unless they start to bend, the whole thing could easily snap within the next decade.
Macron, with no party, no machinery behind him, won presidential and lower house elections on the ticket of reducing 120.000 public jobs, cutting the deficit by 60bn, reforming French labour laws, bringing public sector pensions into line with private sector ones and more of the EU. AFAIK he won parliamentary majority not seen in ages, and you actually think that Le Pen is going to be thorn in his side? From the same friends who correctly predicted the results that I've posted here, she is more of an irrelevance than ever before.

Mr GrimNasty

8,172 posts

169 months

Monday 19th June 2017
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jjlynn27 said:
Macron, with no party, no machinery behind him, won presidential and lower house elections on the ticket of reducing 120.000 public jobs, cutting the deficit by 60bn, reforming French labour laws, bringing public sector pensions into line with private sector ones and more of the EU. AFAIK he won parliamentary majority not seen in ages, and you actually think that Le Pen is going to be thorn in his side? From the same friends who correctly predicted the results that I've posted here, she is more of an irrelevance than ever before.
Macron hasn't by any stretch of the imagination got into power with any mandate or endorsement of his policies.

"A record abstention rate which could reach 58 percent means many will question the legitimacy of his victory."

"If the predictions hold true, this will be the lowest voter turnout in French parliamentary elections under France's Fifth Republic, which began in 1958."

The French are just completely fed up with politicians altogether.

Eddie Strohacker

3,879 posts

85 months

Monday 19th June 2017
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Or his opponents saw the writing on the wall & didn't bother turning out.

Murph7355

37,651 posts

255 months

Monday 19th June 2017
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jjlynn27 said:
Macron, with no party, no machinery behind him, won presidential and lower house elections on the ticket of reducing 120.000 public jobs, cutting the deficit by 60bn, reforming French labour laws, bringing public sector pensions into line with private sector ones and more of the EU. AFAIK he won parliamentary majority not seen in ages, and you actually think that Le Pen is going to be thorn in his side? From the same friends who correctly predicted the results that I've posted here, she is more of an irrelevance than ever before.
The millions of people who voted for her on the basis of wanting change in the EU, despite the less savoury elements of her politics, will be the thorn. She's the mouthpiece.

Looking from the sidelines I believe Macron knows this, which led to him noting that change was needed. As with most things about the EU it'll be interesting to see what form that takes and what that then prompts from his electorate.

It'll also be interesting to see how far he gets with the internal reforms. If he can manage all of that I'll doff my cap. The French love non-jobs and bureaucracy better than we now do smile Having a strong mandate is a great thing, but he now has no excuses but to deliver....

scherzkeks

4,460 posts

133 months

Monday 19th June 2017
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Mr GrimNasty said:
jjlynn27 said:
Macron, with no party, no machinery behind him, won presidential and lower house elections on the ticket of reducing 120.000 public jobs, cutting the deficit by 60bn, reforming French labour laws, bringing public sector pensions into line with private sector ones and more of the EU. AFAIK he won parliamentary majority not seen in ages, and you actually think that Le Pen is going to be thorn in his side? From the same friends who correctly predicted the results that I've posted here, she is more of an irrelevance than ever before.
Macron hasn't by any stretch of the imagination got into power with any mandate or endorsement of his policies.

"A record abstention rate which could reach 58 percent means many will question the legitimacy of his victory."

"If the predictions hold true, this will be the lowest voter turnout in French parliamentary elections under France's Fifth Republic, which began in 1958."

The French are just completely fed up with politicians altogether.
The blackout on and censorship of negative news (tax evasion, etc.) on Macron didn't help. Democracy in action, folks. wink

smifffymoto

4,527 posts

204 months

Monday 19th June 2017
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I think Macron will actually achieve very little,once the dust has settled and everybody comes back from holiday and back to work .Labour reforms will just be modified with no real change,even if the public sector jobs go the pay offs will be good and benefits raped.
Paris will riot as usual and life will go on with not alot of real change.

Murph7355

37,651 posts

255 months

Monday 19th June 2017
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smifffymoto said:
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Paris will riot as usual and life will go on with not alot of real change.
Do they riot regularly?

I know they seem to enjoy a good Channel port blockade now and then (mind you, when was the last one of those? Or did they give it a break while Sangatte etc was in play?). But riots in the capital??

wc98

10,334 posts

139 months

Monday 19th June 2017
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Mr GrimNasty said:
Macron hasn't by any stretch of the imagination got into power with any mandate or endorsement of his policies.

"A record abstention rate which could reach 58 percent means many will question the legitimacy of his victory."

"If the predictions hold true, this will be the lowest voter turnout in French parliamentary elections under France's Fifth Republic, which began in 1958."

The French are just completely fed up with politicians altogether.
this should be of great concern. how does the turn out compare to previous elections ?

Mr GrimNasty

8,172 posts

169 months

Monday 19th June 2017
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Eddie Strohacker said:
Or his opponents saw the writing on the wall & didn't bother turning out.
Errr, no.

Almost the opposite.

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/04/28/macron-lead-narrows...