Jeremy Corbyn Vol. 2
Discussion
TLandCruiser said:
My Facebook feed has been relatively quiet compared to brexit, a few posts laughing at corblyn, a link to a Yorkshire news outlet voting with emojis about who would you vote for JC or TM and some of the people talking about JC was cringe worthy.
Someone said I'm voting for JC because his policy's will benefit me like minimum wage at £10, free child care, school diners and the bank holidays....it's not even worth engaging with these people talking about how do they expect it to be funded, what do you think companies will do with an increase in salary payments ontop of matching the raised NI contributions, pension contributions, a £10 minimum wage will cost the company far more than £10, not sure the exact amount, anyone?
I imagine an increase in prices and reduction of staff
Current NLW for over 25s is now £7.50 per hour. Someone said I'm voting for JC because his policy's will benefit me like minimum wage at £10, free child care, school diners and the bank holidays....it's not even worth engaging with these people talking about how do they expect it to be funded, what do you think companies will do with an increase in salary payments ontop of matching the raised NI contributions, pension contributions, a £10 minimum wage will cost the company far more than £10, not sure the exact amount, anyone?
I imagine an increase in prices and reduction of staff
The additional employer contributions for holidays/ssp/pension/NI etc make this closer to £10.50 or thereabouts.
So a rise from £7.50 to £10 is a rise for the employer towards £14/hour. 40% increase in labour costs. Not the same as 40% increase in cost though.
In some businesses, such as where I work, the labour cost is around 80% of the business because it is manual/service work that cannot be automated because it needs actual people doing the work. That is not the case in every industry though, I know that ours is well above the average.
Of course, not everyone where I work earns £7.50 an hour, and many of the managers are earning salaries well in excess of this and would not be affected by this.
However. We currently have many other rates of pay in between £7.50 and £10 per hour graded by role specification and that differential is something that needs to be accounted for - people earn more for taking on more senior/skilled work or roles. A lot of them would likely go back to basics if there was no difference in the hourly wage. So those who are currently on £9.50 an hour would be wanting to go up to £12.50+ or so. Those on £11 an hour, up to £15 or so.
It is huge costs that are being talked about, and it has to come from somewhere on the bottom line and in certain industries, that is going to be incredibly hard to find.
jonby said:
Justayellowbadge said:
Trident mumbling.
I watched the JC interview live - it was painfulI still don't get, in answer to the sub captain questions, why he didn't say 'of course I'll have clear cut instructions in the letters but it would be definition be inappopriate to discuss the contents publicly.
I do wonder if he does this deliberately, to pander to those in his party who lke his stance on nuclear weapons ? there's no other remotely sensible reason for his handling of the questions
Burwood said:
jonby said:
Justayellowbadge said:
Trident mumbling.
I watched the JC interview live - it was painfulI still don't get, in answer to the sub captain questions, why he didn't say 'of course I'll have clear cut instructions in the letters but it would be definition be inappopriate to discuss the contents publicly.
I do wonder if he does this deliberately, to pander to those in his party who lke his stance on nuclear weapons ? there's no other remotely sensible reason for his handling of the questions
bazza white said:
Your using the wrong polls.
This morning's poll is a much better representation of the democratic spectrum, well its what being spouted on facebook anyway.
http://www.itv.com/thismorning/hot-topics/poll-who...
I'm not sure a viewers' poll is considered accurate but if it's ITV polls you want then have a look at this. Then maybe someone can explain the difference between the absurd suggestion that Corbyn is incredibly popular against the latest data coming out of Wales, the spiritual home of the Labour Party.This morning's poll is a much better representation of the democratic spectrum, well its what being spouted on facebook anyway.
http://www.itv.com/thismorning/hot-topics/poll-who...
http://www.itv.com/news/wales/2017-04-24/shock-pol...
Corbyn is extremely popular.
On Facebook.
That gives rise to a lot of people believing that because of that, he is more popular overall, forgetting that their Facebook friends do not represent a true cross section of the UK population.
I have a broad spectrum of friends on Facebook from the Nick Griffin wannabe to the lovechild of Stalin and Lenin in terms of their apparent political leanings.
But the fact remains that most of these people are around my own age and I either know them from School, university, my hometown, or car clubs. So the median age will be around 32, like me, going up to about 61 and down to about 21. These people do not speak for the whole country.
On Facebook.
That gives rise to a lot of people believing that because of that, he is more popular overall, forgetting that their Facebook friends do not represent a true cross section of the UK population.
I have a broad spectrum of friends on Facebook from the Nick Griffin wannabe to the lovechild of Stalin and Lenin in terms of their apparent political leanings.
But the fact remains that most of these people are around my own age and I either know them from School, university, my hometown, or car clubs. So the median age will be around 32, like me, going up to about 61 and down to about 21. These people do not speak for the whole country.
Shakermaker said:
Corbyn is extremely popular.
On Facebook.
That gives rise to a lot of people believing that because of that, he is more popular overall, forgetting that their Facebook friends do not represent a true cross section of the UK population.
My son is a staunch and active Labour supporter, being one of the original people to join when Corbyn was on the first ballot paper (be gentle he was only 14 at the time).On Facebook.
That gives rise to a lot of people believing that because of that, he is more popular overall, forgetting that their Facebook friends do not represent a true cross section of the UK population.
He was assisting at the Corbyn visit to Crewe at the weekend and his take was that his speech at the rally was actually pretty impressive.
BUT his comment was that all the hard core Corbyn supporters are genuinely deluded, don't listen to anythign outside of their echo-chamber and "they actually think we aren't going to get annihilated"
italianjob1275 said:
The whole social media thing is that it seems to be cool to be left wing. Anyone suggesting any other views are immediately shut down. This is why brexit, trump etc came as such a shock to the cool kids..
The social media thing is dominated by the younger generation - hence why it's an echo chamber for them.....Jonmx said:
The non voting class? Please define this a bit further as I believed that there were people from all backgrounds who didn't vote for a variety of reasons.
I am no fan of May, her record as Home Secretary is something that put me off her a long time ago, but, do you seriously believe this collection of clowns are competent/appropriate to hold office?
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Who is the hot totty on the far right ? I'm thinking naughty thoughts about spreading political goodwill I am no fan of May, her record as Home Secretary is something that put me off her a long time ago, but, do you seriously believe this collection of clowns are competent/appropriate to hold office?
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FourWheelDrift said:
Jonmx said:
Similar to this bloke...different girlfriend next to him though. The Lib Dems clearly haven't studied and learnt from Miliband's photo 'opportunities'. Not wanting to derail Comrade Corbyn's thread with Dim Farron mind.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXMapqiDsqs
Ah, promising bank holidays isn't enough. How about a brand new National Scottish Bank with £20bn lending power controlled by Scotland whilst simultaneously repealing the Trade Unions Act. I'm very tempted to write to him and ask if he'll set up a national monkey tennis league if Labour get into power.
http://news.sky.com/story/corbyn-tells-scotland-vo...
http://news.sky.com/story/corbyn-tells-scotland-vo...
Jonmx said:
Sky said:
Mr Corbyn has been buoyed by winning the backing of the Communist Party of Britain, which has announced it will not field any candidates for the first time in history to back the Labour leader.
Is Sky news or satire?technodup said:
Jonmx said:
Sky said:
Mr Corbyn has been buoyed by winning the backing of the Communist Party of Britain, which has announced it will not field any candidates for the first time in history to back the Labour leader.
Is Sky news or satire?technodup said:
Jonmx said:
Sky said:
Mr Corbyn has been buoyed by winning the backing of the Communist Party of Britain, which has announced it will not field any candidates for the first time in history to back the Labour leader.
Is Sky news or satire?techiedave said:
Jonmx said:
The non voting class? Please define this a bit further as I believed that there were people from all backgrounds who didn't vote for a variety of reasons.
I am no fan of May, her record as Home Secretary is something that put me off her a long time ago, but, do you seriously believe this collection of clowns are competent/appropriate to hold office?
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Who is the hot totty on the far right ? I'm thinking naughty thoughts about spreading political goodwill I am no fan of May, her record as Home Secretary is something that put me off her a long time ago, but, do you seriously believe this collection of clowns are competent/appropriate to hold office?
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PurpleAki said:
techiedave said:
Jonmx said:
The non voting class? Please define this a bit further as I believed that there were people from all backgrounds who didn't vote for a variety of reasons.
I am no fan of May, her record as Home Secretary is something that put me off her a long time ago, but, do you seriously believe this collection of clowns are competent/appropriate to hold office?
[]
Who is the hot totty on the far right ? I'm thinking naughty thoughts about spreading political goodwill I am no fan of May, her record as Home Secretary is something that put me off her a long time ago, but, do you seriously believe this collection of clowns are competent/appropriate to hold office?
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Trust me it continues to be funny for some of us years down the line
Burwood said:
technodup said:
Jonmx said:
Sky said:
Mr Corbyn has been buoyed by winning the backing of the Communist Party of Britain, which has announced it will not field any candidates for the first time in history to back the Labour leader.
Is Sky news or satire?And yes, the Communist Party, or CP as they call themselves still exists. It was the Socialist Workers (ironic name) when I was at university. I remember them shouting vile abuse at me and a few friends because we were dressed in our OTC (Army) uniforms and that clearly identified us as child killers to them
Like you say, there can't be more than a handful of old crusties still in that party now. They do sell merchandise though, including the charming t-shirt below.
B'stard Child said:
italianjob1275 said:
The whole social media thing is that it seems to be cool to be left wing. Anyone suggesting any other views are immediately shut down. This is why brexit, trump etc came as such a shock to the cool kids..
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