Jeremy Corbyn Vol. 2
Discussion
k me she looks stoned. 
Sway said:
no socialist, as per the Scandinavians,
Minor point but the Scandinavian countries are market economies with private ownership of the majority of means of production, therefore not socialist.The preferred nomenclature is social democracy, but even that model has been in decline recently. Not surprising given average tax rates running at around 50%.
Too Drunk to Funk said:
The irony being it was Team Leave who betrayed the country.
Too early to say yet. I think you only need to see the behavior of the EU now, as we leave to see what they really are.
It is also worth looking at events like this
https://www.politico.eu/article/martin-selmayr-bec...
Reminds me of all the things I dislike about the EU.
mx5nut said:
Labour takes lead in polls after Czech spy claims fail to damage Jeremy Corbyn support
Are his critics really too thick to realise that making demonstrably false accusations against him will only serve to make the general public doubt any real criticisms made next time?
Just think all the Trump haters would think the same way we may be getting somewhere. Are his critics really too thick to realise that making demonstrably false accusations against him will only serve to make the general public doubt any real criticisms made next time?
edh said:
Why? Labour voters largely back remain / or softer Brexit.
I am not entirely sure that those Labour voters who backed Brexit want a "softer Brexit" than Conservative ones.if you look at the debate taking place at senior levels of the Conservative party much of it seems to be about the freedom to strike trade deals and constitutional issues such as jurisdiction of ECJ.
If you are still members of the Single market you have to have FOM. Many countries with close links to the Single Market (such as Switzerland) are forced to accept a version of FOM.
Rather than meaningless terms like "soft" and "hard" Brexit it is more useful to consider what most voters want and what trade offs they are willing to accept for that.
Edited by JagLover on Sunday 25th February 16:01
Agreed.
Both parties have stated that FOM is going to end and fought the last election on that basis, therefore it could only be construed as democratic betrayal for either main party to backslide into a position that accepts the four freedoms.
https://labour.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/l...
...page 28, its the first non bold statement.
It would be economic suicide to put the country into a straightjacket of the customs union but stay out of the single market, further its a nonsense because one can't have completely friction free trade without very close alignment to the single market. Therefore I predict this is just salvo one from the Labour party, soon to be followed by a commitment to more or less stay in both frameworks.
Both parties have stated that FOM is going to end and fought the last election on that basis, therefore it could only be construed as democratic betrayal for either main party to backslide into a position that accepts the four freedoms.
https://labour.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/l...
...page 28, its the first non bold statement.
It would be economic suicide to put the country into a straightjacket of the customs union but stay out of the single market, further its a nonsense because one can't have completely friction free trade without very close alignment to the single market. Therefore I predict this is just salvo one from the Labour party, soon to be followed by a commitment to more or less stay in both frameworks.
Cobnapint said:
Fittster said:
The Labour party, on behalf of Corbyn said, "Donations to charity, plus apology or its court". If Bradley was confident in his accusations he could have said "See you in court". If he'd won, his career would have been made and he'd have finished Corbyn. Trouble is he wasn't going to win.
He wasn't going to win because he had no way if proving it. It doesn't mean to say he was wrong.Corbyn says it's all a smear. Ex MI6 chief, Sir Richard Dearlove says Corbyn has questions to answer. I know who I believe.
JagLover said:
edh said:
Why? Labour voters largely back remain / or softer Brexit.
I am not entirely sure that those Labour voters who backed Brexit want a "softer Brexit" than Conservative ones.if you look at the debate taking place at senior levels of the Conservative party much of it seems to be about the freedom to strike trade deals and constitutional issues such as jurisdiction of ECJ.
If you are still members of the Single market you have to have FOM. Many countries with close links to the Single Market (such as Switzerland) are forced to accept a version of FOM.
Rather than meaningless terms like "soft" and "hard" Brexit it is more useful to consider what most voters want and what trade offs they are willing to accept for that.
Edited by JagLover on Sunday 25th February 16:01
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/jan/20/b...
"Significantly, even among Labour voters who backed Leave, 37% said they want Corbyn to support permanent single market and customs union membership compared with just 26% who did not"
edh said:
Quite a lot of stats in this article from an Opinium poll
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/jan/20/b...
"Significantly, even among Labour voters who backed Leave, 37% said they want Corbyn to support permanent single market and customs union membership compared with just 26% who did not"
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/jan/20/b...
"Significantly, even among Labour voters who backed Leave, 37% said they want Corbyn to support permanent single market and customs union membership compared with just 26% who did not"
Says a lot about Labour voters.
edh said:
Quite a lot of stats in this article from an Opinium poll
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/jan/20/b...
"Significantly, even among Labour voters who backed Leave, 37% said they want Corbyn to support permanent single market and customs union membership compared with just 26% who did not"
That appears to be the result of this poll. The question is whether those polled know what the trade offs involved are.https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/jan/20/b...
"Significantly, even among Labour voters who backed Leave, 37% said they want Corbyn to support permanent single market and customs union membership compared with just 26% who did not"
If nothing changes after we leave in all practical aspects, including on FOM, those 37% might suddenly have a problem with it.
JagLover said:
edh said:
Quite a lot of stats in this article from an Opinium poll
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/jan/20/b...
"Significantly, even among Labour voters who backed Leave, 37% said they want Corbyn to support permanent single market and customs union membership compared with just 26% who did not"
That appears to be the result of this poll. The question is whether those polled know what the trade offs involved are.https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/jan/20/b...
"Significantly, even among Labour voters who backed Leave, 37% said they want Corbyn to support permanent single market and customs union membership compared with just 26% who did not"
If nothing changes after we leave in all practical aspects, including on FOM, those 37% might suddenly have a problem with it.
He's the UK version of Trump in away.
Russia collusion allegations and he and all his fan club say exactly the same thing as Trump and his supporters "Fake news".
Now he's going
Corbyn " I going to negotiate a great deal".
"What is this deal going to be and how are you going to achieve it?"
Corbyn " It's going to be a great deal"
"Yes but"
Corbyn " a great deal don't worry"
Russia collusion allegations and he and all his fan club say exactly the same thing as Trump and his supporters "Fake news".
Now he's going
Corbyn " I going to negotiate a great deal".
"What is this deal going to be and how are you going to achieve it?"
Corbyn " It's going to be a great deal"
"Yes but"
Corbyn " a great deal don't worry"
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