Jeremy Corbyn Vol. 2

[Gameface]

Crackie said:

El stovey said:

As an aside, I’m not a Corbyn supporter at all but I haven’t actually seen any evidence of anti Semitism from him.

Did the 'whitewash' Chakrabarti report and subsequent peerage not raise any concerns from you?

His membership of anti semitic Facebook groups is something of a pointer.

[jakesmith]

Crackie said:

Did the 'whitewash' Chakrabarti report and subsequent peerage not raise any concerns from you?

If you look you can see it clear as day
If you don’t want to see it, you don’t

The hard left have always been very anti Semitic. See: Livingstone as another example. Must be to do with 100’s of years of oppression in Russia when Anti Semitism was official policy. It’s heart-breaking to read what people had to suffer for no reason at all.

This persevered after a brief respite following the revolution and become part of the Stalinist ideology of which Mr Corbyn and McDonnell are so keen. I can only assume that they despise the petty boigoise nature of Jews and their apparent ability in business.

I wouldn’t sit too comfortably though as from what I see of their behaviour and policies, this hatred spills over to pretty much anyone who has bothered to build / had parents who worked bloody hard to build a better future for themselves or their family.

[Rovinghawk]

Could somebody please explain to me the mentality whereby working hard & succeeding in business to provide for your family is bad but taking wealth from others and 'redistributing' it is good?

It seems to be Corbyn's/Labour's attitude.

[Dr Jekyll]

Rovinghawk said:

Could somebody please explain to me the mentality whereby working hard & succeeding in business to provide for your family is bad but taking wealth from others and 'redistributing' it is good?

It seems to be Corbyn's/Labour's attitude.

The left believe in zero sum economics rather than wealth creation. So if someone does a bit of overtime and gets more money lefties think they must be taking it from someone else therefore being 'unfair'.

If it's 'redistributed' on the other hand lefties think the result is bound to be fairer. That this assumption depends on the infallibility of those in charge of the redistribution doesn't bother them because they assume whoever is in charge will agree with them, or be them.

[motco]

Dr Jekyll said:

Rovinghawk said:

Could somebody please explain to me the mentality whereby working hard & succeeding in business to provide for your family is bad but taking wealth from others and 'redistributing' it is good?

It seems to be Corbyn's/Labour's attitude.

The left believe in zero sum economics rather than wealth creation. So if someone does a bit of overtime and gets more money lefties think they must be taking it from someone else therefore being 'unfair'.

If it's 'redistributed' on the other hand lefties think the result is bound to be fairer. That this assumption depends on the infallibility of those in charge of the redistribution doesn't bother them because they assume whoever is in charge will agree with them, or be them.

"From each according to their ability, and to each according to their needs." was once quoted to me by a keen socialist.

[NJH]

Dr Jekyll said:

Rovinghawk said:

Could somebody please explain to me the mentality whereby working hard & succeeding in business to provide for your family is bad but taking wealth from others and 'redistributing' it is good?

It seems to be Corbyn's/Labour's attitude.

The left believe in zero sum economics rather than wealth creation. So if someone does a bit of overtime and gets more money lefties think they must be taking it from someone else therefore being 'unfair'.

If it's 'redistributed' on the other hand lefties think the result is bound to be fairer. That this assumption depends on the infallibility of those in charge of the redistribution doesn't bother them because they assume whoever is in charge will agree with them, or be them.

100% zero sum. Marx innit. Its incredible that people continually forget that his 'great' work was an economic theory that is so obviously garbage it doesn't warrant debate. The problem is like other crank ideas such as the swath of garbage branded under Postmodernism, people without much if any background or understanding of the subject area latch on to this st to justify their own pre-concieved prejudiced view of the world.

[Johnnytheboy]

NJH said:

Dr Jekyll said:

Rovinghawk said:

Could somebody please explain to me the mentality whereby working hard & succeeding in business to provide for your family is bad but taking wealth from others and 'redistributing' it is good?

It seems to be Corbyn's/Labour's attitude.

The left believe in zero sum economics rather than wealth creation. So if someone does a bit of overtime and gets more money lefties think they must be taking it from someone else therefore being 'unfair'.

If it's 'redistributed' on the other hand lefties think the result is bound to be fairer. That this assumption depends on the infallibility of those in charge of the redistribution doesn't bother them because they assume whoever is in charge will agree with them, or be them.

100% zero sum. Marx innit. Its incredible that people continually forget that his 'great' work was an economic theory that is so obviously garbage it doesn't warrant debate. The problem is like other crank ideas such as the swath of garbage branded under Postmodernism, people without much if any background or understanding of the subject area latch on to this st to justify their own pre-concieved prejudiced view of the world.

This book is worth a read.

Clearly sets out to be dispassionate on communist theory, and proceeds to rubbish it in the most measured tone possible.

If someone could read this and still ascribe to Marxist theory then they clearly have a head you could see clear through from one ear to the other.

[98elise]

Dr Jekyll said:

Rovinghawk said:

Could somebody please explain to me the mentality whereby working hard & succeeding in business to provide for your family is bad but taking wealth from others and 'redistributing' it is good?

It seems to be Corbyn's/Labour's attitude.

The left believe in zero sum economics rather than wealth creation. So if someone does a bit of overtime and gets more money lefties think they must be taking it from someone else therefore being 'unfair'.

If it's 'redistributed' on the other hand lefties think the result is bound to be fairer. That this assumption depends on the infallibility of those in charge of the redistribution doesn't bother them because they assume whoever is in charge will agree with them, or be them.

Indeed. My father in law is very left wing. He once said to me that to get rich, someone has to be made poor. They have no concept of growing an economy. That's why McDonnell's aim is to bring down capitalism, and he welcomed the credit crunch.

A friend of mine has built a bespoke carpentry/joinery business. They recently took on their 10th employee, a school leaver apprentice. He posted on Facebook how proud they were to be training the next generation.

I see a businessman who took risks with his family's future and is now providing employment for 10 other families. Rightly he is now able to afford a couple of holidays a year and a half decent car.

My father in law sees an evil person exploiting 10 other people to enrich himself. Whenever he talks about success it's with hatred and bile.

This a bloke that has never worked in the 30 years I've known him.

[jmorgan]

I only see the loony left upset at the states quo because they are not in a position to do the exploitation.

[Tycho]

98elise said:

Indeed. My father in law is very left wing. He once said to me that to get rich, someone has to be made poor. They have no concept of growing an economy. That's why McDonnell's aim is to bring down capitalism, and he welcomed the credit crunch.

A friend of mine has built a bespoke carpentry/joinery business. They recently took on their 10th employee, a school leaver apprentice. He posted on Facebook how proud they were to be training the next generation.

I see a businessman who took risks with his family's future and is now providing employment for 10 other families. Rightly he is now able to afford a couple of holidays a year and a half decent car.

My father in law sees an evil person exploiting 10 other people to enrich himself. Whenever he talks about success it's with hatred and bile.

This a bloke that has never worked in the 30 years I've known him.

I trust that stty attitude hasn't rubbed off on your other half.

[Herr Schnell]

Gameface said:

Crackie said:

El stovey said:

As an aside, I’m not a Corbyn supporter at all but I haven’t actually seen any evidence of anti Semitism from him.

Did the 'whitewash' Chakrabarti report and subsequent peerage not raise any concerns from you?

His membership of anti semitic Facebook groups is something of a pointer.

As is the huge rise in anti semetic statements and actions within Labour since 2015. Literally thousands of incidents reported to Labour with zero meaningful action taken since the entryists got Corbyn into power.

My particular favourite example at the moment related to Corbyn himself is the instance in 2012 where he posted in support of a mural which even Luftur Rahman thought overstepped the mark for it's horrible portrayal of anti semetic stereotypes, his justifcation being that Rockerfeller had a mural featuring Lenin removed being another big clue as to the man's racism:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/03/23/labour...

[jakesmith]

motco said:

"From each according to their ability, and to each according to their needs." was once quoted to me by a keen socialist.

The problem with this philosophy which is the cornerstone of communist thinking, is that it takes no account for the endemic laziness, or greed, of human nature

[anonymous-user]

jakesmith said:

motco said:

"From each according to their ability, and to each according to their needs." was once quoted to me by a keen socialist.

The problem with this philosophy which is the cornerstone of communist thinking, is that it takes no account for the endemic laziness, or greed, of human nature

That's what the Gulags, Labour camps and Killing Fields are for.

[dandarez]

Corbyn showing his tough side.

He's sacked Owen Smith.

Why?

Smith called for a second Brexit referendum!

http://uk.businessinsider.com/jeremy-corbyn-sacks-...

[The Dangerous Elk]

dandarez said:

Corbyn showing his tough side.

He's sacked Owen Smith.

Why?

Smith called for a second Brexit referendum!

http://uk.businessinsider.com/jeremy-corbyn-sacks-...

He stood against him as head of the Politburo

Stalin would have shot him, his close family and sent his extended family to the gulag for re-education, poor old Jezza having to work away under all these oppressive western laws.

[irocfan]

glad to see it's not only the 'nasty party' who've got themselves into a lather about this

[anonymous-user]

The communists do like a good purge every now and then. It's scary how close these people are to power.

[jmorgan]

Momentum must have someone lined up.

[Ganglandboss]

Gameface said:

Crackie said:

El stovey said:

As an aside, I’m not a Corbyn supporter at all but I haven’t actually seen any evidence of anti Semitism from him.

Did the 'whitewash' Chakrabarti report and subsequent peerage not raise any concerns from you?

His membership of anti semitic Facebook groups is something of a pointer.

https://order-order.com/2018/03/23/berger-asks-cor...

[anonymous-user]

jmorgan said:

Momentum must have someone lined up.

Against a wall? That's how their idols normally take power.