Theresa May

[Jonesy23]

Sway said:

For a single slide, posted by someone that claimed leave voters didn't do much thinking, this one is pretty special...

It's by a lecturer in international political economy.

I interpret 'international political economy' as meaning 'countries lying to each other'. The only economy there is in politics is with truth.

[MC Bodge]

Jonesy23 said:

Sway said:

For a single slide, posted by someone that claimed leave voters didn't do much thinking, this one is pretty special...

It's by a lecturer in international political economy.

I interpret 'international political economy' as meaning 'countries lying to each other'. The only economy there is in politics is with truth.

Sid down at the pub, he knows better. You can't trust these experts.

The angry loons with high blood pressure on Pistonheads, they tell it like it is too. Well, how they see it....

[MC Bodge]

sidicks said:

MC Bodge said:

My word. You are angry, and deluded.

Your blood pressure must be through the roof.

Or are you actually a young, healthy, positive, happy man?

The delusions are yours if you support the contents of that slide.

Still nothing to support the other ignorant claims you’ve made recently?

??

You are a strange man.

[sidicks]

MC Bodge said:

Sid down at the pub, he knows better. You can't trust these experts.

The angry loons with high blood pressure on Pistonheads, they tell it like it is too. Well, how they see it....

Perfect blood pressure thanks.

It’s amazing that you don’t understand how wrong some of the claims are! Never mind.

[sidicks]

MC Bodge said:

??

You are a strange man.

You are a stranger man that seeks to invent things to post in the internet, which don’t stand up to basic scrutiny.

[MC Bodge]

sidicks said:

MC Bodge said:

??

You are a strange man.

You are a stranger man that seeks to invent things to post in the internet, which don’t stand up to basic scrutiny.

Mm-k.

[don'tbesilly]

MC Bodge said:

Jonesy23 said:

Sway said:

For a single slide, posted by someone that claimed leave voters didn't do much thinking, this one is pretty special...

It's by a lecturer in international political economy.

I interpret 'international political economy' as meaning 'countries lying to each other'. The only economy there is in politics is with truth.

Sid down at the pub, he knows better. You can't trust these experts.

The angry loons with high blood pressure on Pistonheads, they tell it like it is too. Well, how they see it....

Not going quite the way you envisaged, so you trot out the insults.

You should regale us with some more anecdotes about your Father in Law, or perhaps chill out and sneak a look at all the bikini clad hotties in the Mail, whilst denying to everyone you never read it.

Edited by don'tbesilly on Friday 12th October 18:05

[Sway]

MC Bodge said:

Sway said:

Or removal of paperwork and customs processing across the single market (except Norway)?

Or equal pay and holiday entitlement (in place prior to our membership)?

How about "improved animal welfare in food production" (apart from those states still using sowing pens, or treating animals like st in many European countries)?

Or, claiming that replacing 27 votes in WTO and other global bodies with one vote is a benefit?

Although they did put some efforts into maintaining the nuclear non-proliferation Treaty. Good job they didn't claim any success with that...

Shame they then screw the pooch by claiming success in cross border policing to reduce human trafficking!

They do however "support democracy and human rights" - unless the electorate vote for a government with policies against the ecb imposed plan, or a referendum goes against them...

For a single slide, posted by someone that claimed leave voters didn't do much thinking, this one is pretty special...

My word. You are angry, and deluded.

Your blood pressure must be through the roof.

Or are you actually a young, healthy, positive, happy man?

36, excellent health according to my healthcare checkup two months ago. Very happy thanks, life is good.

Not angry in the slightest - amused more like at the immense bullst in that slide.

Of course, it's easy to say my comments are "delusion". Should be just as easy to actually rebut them...

[Sway]

Let's take just one of my "delusions" - the claim MC Bodge posted about "no paperwork or customs for exports throughout the Single Market".

Norway, is in the Single Market - proof here: https://fullfact.org/europe/can-you-be-single-mark...

Yet Norway does have a customs border, requiring paperwork and customs checks:

https://www.euractiv.com/section/uk-europe/news/is...

So, that's one delusion, that isn't...

[soupdragon1]

sidicks said:

soupdragon1 said:

Sheltered life? Did you not see public reaction on tv during referendum, street interviews, radio phone ins etc? I seen and heard plenty of evidence myself.

Feel free to post any of it...

Really? You can't be serious!?

This is a good summary of how people's attitudes to 'foreigners' quickly changes after the referendum.

http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/politicsandpolicy/eu-citize...

[Murph7355]

JuniorD said:

Sheer lack of positivity about our 20+ yrs in the EU?

Nothing positive at all? Not one teeny weeny thing?

In the campaigning dear boy. No, I don't recall seeing any.

And as for the list posted above, practically every single point could have a thread of its own in terms of the what was responsible.

Starting with how much economic good the EU has brought (2 angles - (1) we've been significant net contributers for our whole tenure in the EU and (2) let's go ask the youth of Southern Europe how they feel about the EU's redistributive efforts).

Then peace. NATO significantly pre-dates the EU and IMO has been the primary driver here (along with factors like how WWII panned out and arrangements with Germany afterwards).

But hey, it's good to see cheaper roaming charges 7th on the list.

Actually to my first statement I do recall cheaper roaming charges being mentioned quite a bit. So I apologise.

I also apologise for thinking that cheaper roaming charges is not sufficient reason for having a few extra layers of bureaucracy in our lives, nor the net contributions etc. YMMV.

[Sway]

Murph7355 said:

But hey, it's good to see cheaper roaming charges 7th on the list.

Actually to my first statement I do recall cheaper roaming charges being mentioned quite a bit. So I apologise.

I also apologise for thinking that cheaper roaming charges is not sufficient reason for having a few extra layers of bureaucracy in our lives, nor the net contributions etc. YMMV.

Unfortunately, whilst spoken about quite a bit as being a positive of EU membership, instead the drive for abolition of roaming charges is via OECD/ WTO agreement - specifically, section 5(a) of the Annex on Telecommunications (thanks FiF!)...

Indeed, when looked at from that perspective we can see that the EU instead took longer to implement the revised agreement compared to India, Africa and South America. US and several other nations too.

It is rather odd that countries not in a political union can implement cross border global agreements significantly quicker than the apparently aligned, supportive and beneficial political union of developed nations.

[Sway]

Sorry, ignore that. Just another of my "delusions". Probably caused by my lack of high blood pressure and anger in the old age I haven't yet reached...

[sidicks]

soupdragon1 said:

Really? You can't be serious!?

This is a good summary of how people's attitudes to 'foreigners' quickly changes after the referendum.

http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/politicsandpolicy/eu-citize...

Seems to be a blog / few anecdotes about 'foreigners' and very little to do with:

MC Dodge said:

You don't need to be racist to believe that being born in Britain or having a British passport makes you inherently superior to all other people, including those from the lands 25 miles away from Great Britain (or zero miles from the Republic /Northern Ireland border).

[Murph7355]

Sway said:

Unfortunately, whilst spoken about quite a bit as being a positive of EU membership, instead the drive for abolition of roaming charges is via OECD/ WTO agreement - specifically, section 5(a) of the Annex on Telecommunications (thanks FiF!)...

Indeed, when looked at from that perspective we can see that the EU instead took longer to implement the revised agreement compared to India, Africa and South America. US and several other nations too.

It is rather odd that countries not in a political union can implement cross border global agreements significantly quicker than the apparently aligned, supportive and beneficial political union of developed nations.

[gothatway]

Kccv23highliftcam said:

Apparently May has been looking into yachting...

...perhaps she will call her yacht....

....Black Cloud...

Nope, don't get that - unless it's some convoluted reference to her predecessor's Morning Cloud ... Mourning Cloud ... Black Cloud ?

[powerstroke]

MC Bodge said:

powerstroke said:

For me I've disliked the EU its rules , petty regulations and set up as long as I've been politicly aware some 35 plus years , winning the referendum was and still joyous, possibly the best political event in my lifetime ,

That says more about you than it does about the European Project. I find your view and your joy more than a little sad.

The EU is not them, it is us.

The UK is one of the the big players and has been a large contributor of rules. The standardisation and harmonisation have been a good thing, but people were never going to be fired up and excited by regulations in the power, environmental, science, transport sectors were they? Even human rights were seen as a bad thing....

The only thing we have been allowed to contribute is money !!!, the last time we dared to ask if we might alter , or even tweak our relationship we were told to go forth in short jerky movements , Sorry no the EU isn't us it's Germany and France !!! Brexit helps me to understand how the east Germans must have felt when the wall came down , and how the soviet states were when the USSR lost it's influence over them, The EU was heading down that direction I think once again we have slowed the march of oppression and tyranny, hopefully the southern states will feel safer and be able to stand against the one size fits all EU jack boots..

Edited by powerstroke on Friday 12th October 21:14

[Cobnapint]

powerstroke said:

The only thing we have been allowed to contribute is money !!!, the last time we dared to ask if we might alter , or even tweak our relationship we were told to go forth in short jerky movements , Sorry no the EU isn't us it's Germany and France !!! Brexit helps me to understand how the east Germans must have felt when the wall came down , and how the soviet states were when the USSR lost it's influence over them, The EU was heading down that direction I think once again we have slowed the march of oppression and tyranny, hopefully the southern states will feel safer and be able to stand against the one size fits all EU jack boots..

Yep. We were never properly in the club. Those who say we won't have any influence when we leave don't understand - we never really had any.

[saaby93]

Still no sign of Ireland trying to help by leaving the EU too
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45868503

[wc98]

Sway said:

sidicks said:

MC Bodge said:

It is odd how despite the glorious victory, there is still a lot of dissatisfaction.

To paraphrase,

You "won", get over it.

It is odd how some Remainers make silly claims which they are unable to justify...

What, like the EU being the driver for banning leaded fuel globally?

Or them driving (just slower than the rest of the world) the elimination of roaming charges?

How about peace in Europe (apart from the genocides on it's borders and it's expansionism leading to Ukraine getting fked)?

Those sorts of false claims?

given the name attributed to the slide appears to be another erasmus programmed drone the claims should come as no surprise." those who control the present, control the past and those who control the past control the future".