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Wiccan of Darkness

1,837 posts

82 months

Monday 26th June 2017
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Looks like she's got the deal with the DUP. Seems the DUP commitments are pretty standard, such as 2% GDP on defence (NATO commitment) and various other demands that were going to happen anyway.

Mario149

7,750 posts

177 months

Monday 26th June 2017
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Tuna said:
And before the easily confused start bleating on about tax avoidance, it's pure fantasy land to suggest that 'the rich' don't pay tax. The governments' own figures show that the top 1% - you know, the really rich who have smart accountants and holiday homes in the Cayman islands - pay three times more in tax than the entire bottom 50% of earners. It's a great narrative that Lilly Allen and other student debaters perpetuate that somehow those evil rich people swan through life without paying anything - but there are plenty of studies that show it's simply not true.
Point of order: in my experience the people in the top 1% don't have the fancy accountants or holiday homes in the Caymans. Top 0.1% maybe

Mario149

7,750 posts

177 months

Monday 26th June 2017
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Wiccan of Darkness said:
Looks like she's got the deal with the DUP. Seems the DUP commitments are pretty standard, such as 2% GDP on defence (NATO commitment) and various other demands that were going to happen anyway.
Can't be that simple or it wouldn't have taken so long

sidicks

25,218 posts

220 months

Monday 26th June 2017
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Mario149 said:
Can't be that simple or it wouldn't have taken so long
Presumably they asked for a lot more initially, but that was refused.

Thorodin

2,459 posts

132 months

Monday 26th June 2017
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DUP deal or not, there is even now with 'the deal' a very tiny overall majority which would only take a handful of the ever-present Conservative awkward squad to scupper a HoC vote. In addition, Sinn Fein refusing to return until the fuss over the DUP leader's involvement in the infamous energy shenanigans, it doesn't make much difference to N.I. politics current arrangements.

jjlynn27

7,935 posts

108 months

Monday 26th June 2017
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Deptford Draylons said:
It was a very simple point of the effectiveness and implementation , or rather lack of, of the 3 month rule. Now you could have done as others did and try and debate a point. But no, we got your PH trade mark argumentative idiocy of trying to start an argument on a subject you now tell me you have no interest in discussing.

Before you inevitably reply upping your anger levels, maybe stop and wonder why on every thread you are on your contribution level totals just slinging abuse and posting stupid smilie things as answers. Have a think about it because it tends to come across as you acting at a low level of intelligence and mental health when you seem to have been prescribed PH as some kinda therapy as an argument clinic for your needs.

Your boring Farage tourettes is neither interesting, funny or accurate. As is telling me ( wrongly ) which paper I read and ( wrongly again )how I vote.
You come across as a very angry immigrant who rages at anyone who doesn't agree with you. Intolerant of people's views and lacking the intelligence to offer any counter.
You've gone into some Orwellian loop of 'immigrant ... tourette ... immigrant ... tourette .... ' so I'll let you play there for a while.
You are doing your usual thing of making stuff up. I said that I have no interest in debating things with you, after all, it would be like debating spectroscopy with a donkey. A number of people were, quite patiently, explaining to you, in very simple terms, why you were wrong. Eventually, they all gave up.

Unless your name is Leonard using 'everybody knows' is not an argument, it's a cry for support from similarly bright monosyllabists.

It is free movement of Labour. The fact that we are already seeing farmers not being able to find enough seasonal workers, the fact that the number of nurses applying to work has dropped by 96% and that overall immigration from EU is falling, confirms that.

As this is a thread about T May, one could ascertain that she failed to implement measures that were/are available to her both as an HO minister and as PM. Or that she simply didn't see them as necessary as markets are already doing the job, together with the relevant EU framework.
Who you vote for and what paper you 'read' (ha!), is rather irrelevant to any of my points.
Anyhow, as you went from mildly entertaining, to a complete bore, I'll join the others in giving up on you.

jjlynn27

7,935 posts

108 months

Monday 26th June 2017
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It's been interesting to watch to what lengths will people go to defend the deal with DUP.

In any other circumstances, they'd be laughed at as creationists, morons who believe that homosexuality is worse than paedophilia, and that's even before scratching their terrorist links.

Zod

35,295 posts

257 months

Monday 26th June 2017
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jjlynn27 said:
It's been interesting to watch to what lengths will people go to defend the deal with DUP.

In any other circumstances, they'd be laughed at as creationists, morons who believe that homosexuality is worse than paedophilia, and that's even before scratching their terrorist links.
I can see the point of it on a practical level, but I wish they Tories had looked at what happened to the LibDems after the Coalition.I fear they will suffer from being associated with the DUP.

They would have got most of what they wanted without a formal deal. The DUP was hardly going to vote against the Government and let Sinn Fein's friends into power.

NRS

22,078 posts

200 months

Monday 26th June 2017
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JagLover said:
sidicks said:
Graemsay said:
Theresa May and the Holy Grail.

https://youtu.be/BkvEp_B5Kq8
That's brilliant!
laugh
hehe

I just came on here to post that. It's genius!

alfie2244

11,292 posts

187 months

Monday 26th June 2017
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NRS said:
JagLover said:
sidicks said:
Graemsay said:
Theresa May and the Holy Grail.

https://youtu.be/BkvEp_B5Kq8
That's brilliant!
laugh
hehe

I just came on here to post that. It's genius!
Brilliant biggrin

p1stonhead

25,489 posts

166 months

Monday 26th June 2017
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NRS said:
JagLover said:
sidicks said:
Graemsay said:
Theresa May and the Holy Grail.

https://youtu.be/BkvEp_B5Kq8
That's brilliant!
laugh
hehe

I just came on here to post that. It's genius!
rofl

Why is her voice so utterly bizarre!? Zero emotion in any way!

Deptford Draylons

10,480 posts

242 months

Monday 26th June 2017
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jjlynn27 said:
Deptford Draylons said:
It was a very simple point of the effectiveness and implementation , or rather lack of, of the 3 month rule. Now you could have done as others did and try and debate a point. But no, we got your PH trade mark argumentative idiocy of trying to start an argument on a subject you now tell me you have no interest in discussing.

Before you inevitably reply upping your anger levels, maybe stop and wonder why on every thread you are on your contribution level totals just slinging abuse and posting stupid smilie things as answers. Have a think about it because it tends to come across as you acting at a low level of intelligence and mental health when you seem to have been prescribed PH as some kinda therapy as an argument clinic for your needs.

Your boring Farage tourettes is neither interesting, funny or accurate. As is telling me ( wrongly ) which paper I read and ( wrongly again )how I vote.
You come across as a very angry immigrant who rages at anyone who doesn't agree with you. Intolerant of people's views and lacking the intelligence to offer any counter.
You've gone into some Orwellian loop of 'immigrant ... tourette ... immigrant ... tourette .... ' so I'll let you play there for a while.
You are doing your usual thing of making stuff up. I said that I have no interest in debating things with you, after all, it would be like debating spectroscopy with a donkey. A number of people were, quite patiently, explaining to you, in very simple terms, why you were wrong. Eventually, they all gave up.

Unless your name is Leonard using 'everybody knows' is not an argument, it's a cry for support from similarly bright monosyllabists.

It is free movement of Labour. The fact that we are already seeing farmers not being able to find enough seasonal workers, the fact that the number of nurses applying to work has dropped by 96% and that overall immigration from EU is falling, confirms that.

As this is a thread about T May, one could ascertain that she failed to implement measures that were/are available to her both as an HO minister and as PM. Or that she simply didn't see them as necessary as markets are already doing the job, together with the relevant EU framework.
Who you vote for and what paper you 'read' (ha!), is rather irrelevant to any of my points.
Anyhow, as you went from mildly entertaining, to a complete bore, I'll join the others in giving up on you.
Oh gawd, your back. Despite saying you have no interest in debating the subject , you do your trademark PH act and jump in to start an argument where there is none. I avoid getting involved with you in conversation on PH because you are well know as an overly angry, overly aggressive intolerant type who gets easily triggered by anyone making even the most insignificant point on immigration which you don't agree with.

You were unable/unwilling to debate the points made and that's fine, because as you say you have no interest. So please , for your sake and that of PH, maybe temper yourself to avoid me on PH. I have no interest in anything you say because you come across on here as having a huge chip on your shoulder, probably related to the fact you are an immigrant and incapable of just being able to tolerate a differing view or opinion. That's simply for you personally to deal with without inflicting it on every single thread on PH in which your name appears.

Please don't reply to anything I ever say on PH. Ten pounds to the mental health charity of your using, that you will still do so though.


Du1point8

21,604 posts

191 months

Tuesday 27th June 2017
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Mario149 said:
Tuna said:
And before the easily confused start bleating on about tax avoidance, it's pure fantasy land to suggest that 'the rich' don't pay tax. The governments' own figures show that the top 1% - you know, the really rich who have smart accountants and holiday homes in the Cayman islands - pay three times more in tax than the entire bottom 50% of earners. It's a great narrative that Lilly Allen and other student debaters perpetuate that somehow those evil rich people swan through life without paying anything - but there are plenty of studies that show it's simply not true.
Point of order: in my experience the people in the top 1% don't have the fancy accountants or holiday homes in the Caymans. Top 0.1% maybe
To be in the top 1% the figures by HMRC show you need to earn £167k a year, so those are what the left call the really rich people who they wouldnt piss on if on fire as they own the country and are all mates with the PM... In actual fact its the head of councils and such on their £200k+ salaries that are also part of the really rich... you know them better as the public sector,etc.

Just to put a bit of perspective out there for the sheep that constantly bleat on about this 1% and they all have multiple mansions around the world, etc.

Mario149

7,750 posts

177 months

Tuesday 27th June 2017
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Du1point8 said:
Mario149 said:
Tuna said:
And before the easily confused start bleating on about tax avoidance, it's pure fantasy land to suggest that 'the rich' don't pay tax. The governments' own figures show that the top 1% - you know, the really rich who have smart accountants and holiday homes in the Cayman islands - pay three times more in tax than the entire bottom 50% of earners. It's a great narrative that Lilly Allen and other student debaters perpetuate that somehow those evil rich people swan through life without paying anything - but there are plenty of studies that show it's simply not true.
Point of order: in my experience the people in the top 1% don't have the fancy accountants or holiday homes in the Caymans. Top 0.1% maybe
To be in the top 1% the figures by HMRC show you need to earn £167k a year, so those are what the left call the really rich people who they wouldnt piss on if on fire as they own the country and are all mates with the PM... In actual fact its the head of councils and such on their £200k+ salaries that are also part of the really rich... you know them better as the public sector,etc.

Just to put a bit of perspective out there for the sheep that constantly bleat on about this 1% and they all have multiple mansions around the world, etc.
I agree, and to be fair, it's not even those people. All the "1%ers" I know of my generation (30 - 40ish years old), and by 1%ers say the people whose family income is about £170K gross (or say about 2/3s of that if they're single) are all completely normal regular people who happen to be IT contractors of some description like me (so maybe not entirely normal wobble) or work in commercial property in London/SE, and whose other half also (if it's a couple we're talking about) happen to have a decently paying job for the SE as well. Sounds absolutely minted until you factor in, for say the couple:

- Total tax/NI deducted (£60K/year based on a £120K-£50K salary split)
- Paying the mortgage for say a 3 bedroom semi with a small garden anywhere nice near (not in) London when you've only been on the housing ladder a few years (£25K/year)
- Private pension contributions (£15K/year)
- Childcare for a couple of young kids so parents can work (£20K+/year)
- Food and bills (£15K/year)
- 2x cars and public transport so parents can commute/collect kids etc (say total costs amortized to £750/month each, so £15K/year)

That gets you to £150K of the £170K.

Now, I'm by no means saying that it's a tough life as clearly there's still a lot of disposable income, and much much much more if you decided to bin the obvious stuff like living somewhere nice and having kids. But it's hardly the jet set flashy lifestyle for a couple with 2 kids that a lot of people will think it is.

Tuna

19,930 posts

283 months

Tuesday 27th June 2017
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Mario149 said:
Now, I'm by no means saying that it's a tough life as clearly there's still a lot of disposable income, and much much much more if you decided to bin the obvious stuff like living somewhere nice and having kids. But it's hardly the jet set flashy lifestyle for a couple with 2 kids that a lot of people will think it is.
It makes me laugh to see the YouTube videos saying "Be rich like me.. I earn 100K a year!!". It's amazing how much you have to actually earn to be genuinely rich.

Mario149

7,750 posts

177 months

Tuesday 27th June 2017
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Tuna said:
Mario149 said:
Now, I'm by no means saying that it's a tough life as clearly there's still a lot of disposable income, and much much much more if you decided to bin the obvious stuff like living somewhere nice and having kids. But it's hardly the jet set flashy lifestyle for a couple with 2 kids that a lot of people will think it is.
It makes me laugh to see the YouTube videos saying "Be rich like me.. I earn 100K a year!!". It's amazing how much you have to actually earn to be genuinely rich.
I remember a thread on PH a while back where this was discussed. I think the general consensus was that you had to be able to live of the interest/yield of your money/assets after inflation had been taken into account and the appropriate amount reinvested so that you could continue indefinitely with the real value of your money/assets never dropping. For example, assuming you want £1M gross per year, inflation was at 2% and your interest/yield was 5%:

(0.05 - 0.02) x asset value = 1,000,000

So income generating assets of ~£33M I think....although I'm sure someone has a better calc than that.

Zod

35,295 posts

257 months

Tuesday 27th June 2017
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That seems about right to me.

Justayellowbadge

37,057 posts

241 months

Tuesday 27th June 2017
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Rich is the ability to live off the interest on your interest.

bad company

18,483 posts

265 months

Saturday 1st July 2017
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Mario149 said:
I remember a thread on PH a while back where this was discussed. I think the general consensus was that you had to be able to live of the interest/yield of your money/assets after inflation had been taken into account and the appropriate amount reinvested so that you could continue indefinitely with the real value of your money/assets never dropping. For example, assuming you want £1M gross per year, inflation was at 2% and your interest/yield was 5%:

(0.05 - 0.02) x asset value = 1,000,000

So income generating assets of ~£33M I think....although I'm sure someone has a better calc than that.
I sold my business and retired 5 years ago. I drew 3.6% of my pension and investment pot as income. This has allowed some growth so that I've been able to increase my drawings each year (3.6% of the increased pot). So far so good.
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