Discussion
Tuna said:
And before the easily confused start bleating on about tax avoidance, it's pure fantasy land to suggest that 'the rich' don't pay tax. The governments' own figures show that the top 1% - you know, the really rich who have smart accountants and holiday homes in the Cayman islands - pay three times more in tax than the entire bottom 50% of earners. It's a great narrative that Lilly Allen and other student debaters perpetuate that somehow those evil rich people swan through life without paying anything - but there are plenty of studies that show it's simply not true.
Point of order: in my experience the people in the top 1% don't have the fancy accountants or holiday homes in the Caymans. Top 0.1% maybeDUP deal or not, there is even now with 'the deal' a very tiny overall majority which would only take a handful of the ever-present Conservative awkward squad to scupper a HoC vote. In addition, Sinn Fein refusing to return until the fuss over the DUP leader's involvement in the infamous energy shenanigans, it doesn't make much difference to N.I. politics current arrangements.
Deptford Draylons said:
It was a very simple point of the effectiveness and implementation , or rather lack of, of the 3 month rule. Now you could have done as others did and try and debate a point. But no, we got your PH trade mark argumentative idiocy of trying to start an argument on a subject you now tell me you have no interest in discussing.
Before you inevitably reply upping your anger levels, maybe stop and wonder why on every thread you are on your contribution level totals just slinging abuse and posting stupid smilie things as answers. Have a think about it because it tends to come across as you acting at a low level of intelligence and mental health when you seem to have been prescribed PH as some kinda therapy as an argument clinic for your needs.
Your boring Farage tourettes is neither interesting, funny or accurate. As is telling me ( wrongly ) which paper I read and ( wrongly again )how I vote.
You come across as a very angry immigrant who rages at anyone who doesn't agree with you. Intolerant of people's views and lacking the intelligence to offer any counter.
You've gone into some Orwellian loop of 'immigrant ... tourette ... immigrant ... tourette .... ' so I'll let you play there for a while. Before you inevitably reply upping your anger levels, maybe stop and wonder why on every thread you are on your contribution level totals just slinging abuse and posting stupid smilie things as answers. Have a think about it because it tends to come across as you acting at a low level of intelligence and mental health when you seem to have been prescribed PH as some kinda therapy as an argument clinic for your needs.
Your boring Farage tourettes is neither interesting, funny or accurate. As is telling me ( wrongly ) which paper I read and ( wrongly again )how I vote.
You come across as a very angry immigrant who rages at anyone who doesn't agree with you. Intolerant of people's views and lacking the intelligence to offer any counter.
You are doing your usual thing of making stuff up. I said that I have no interest in debating things with you, after all, it would be like debating spectroscopy with a donkey. A number of people were, quite patiently, explaining to you, in very simple terms, why you were wrong. Eventually, they all gave up.
Unless your name is Leonard using 'everybody knows' is not an argument, it's a cry for support from similarly bright monosyllabists.
It is free movement of Labour. The fact that we are already seeing farmers not being able to find enough seasonal workers, the fact that the number of nurses applying to work has dropped by 96% and that overall immigration from EU is falling, confirms that.
As this is a thread about T May, one could ascertain that she failed to implement measures that were/are available to her both as an HO minister and as PM. Or that she simply didn't see them as necessary as markets are already doing the job, together with the relevant EU framework.
Who you vote for and what paper you 'read' (ha!), is rather irrelevant to any of my points.
Anyhow, as you went from mildly entertaining, to a complete bore, I'll join the others in giving up on you.
jjlynn27 said:
It's been interesting to watch to what lengths will people go to defend the deal with DUP.
In any other circumstances, they'd be laughed at as creationists, morons who believe that homosexuality is worse than paedophilia, and that's even before scratching their terrorist links.
I can see the point of it on a practical level, but I wish they Tories had looked at what happened to the LibDems after the Coalition.I fear they will suffer from being associated with the DUP.In any other circumstances, they'd be laughed at as creationists, morons who believe that homosexuality is worse than paedophilia, and that's even before scratching their terrorist links.
They would have got most of what they wanted without a formal deal. The DUP was hardly going to vote against the Government and let Sinn Fein's friends into power.
JagLover said:
sidicks said:
Graemsay said:
That's brilliant!I just came on here to post that. It's genius!
NRS said:
JagLover said:
sidicks said:
Graemsay said:
That's brilliant!I just came on here to post that. It's genius!
NRS said:
JagLover said:
sidicks said:
Graemsay said:
That's brilliant!I just came on here to post that. It's genius!
Why is her voice so utterly bizarre!? Zero emotion in any way!
jjlynn27 said:
Deptford Draylons said:
It was a very simple point of the effectiveness and implementation , or rather lack of, of the 3 month rule. Now you could have done as others did and try and debate a point. But no, we got your PH trade mark argumentative idiocy of trying to start an argument on a subject you now tell me you have no interest in discussing.
Before you inevitably reply upping your anger levels, maybe stop and wonder why on every thread you are on your contribution level totals just slinging abuse and posting stupid smilie things as answers. Have a think about it because it tends to come across as you acting at a low level of intelligence and mental health when you seem to have been prescribed PH as some kinda therapy as an argument clinic for your needs.
Your boring Farage tourettes is neither interesting, funny or accurate. As is telling me ( wrongly ) which paper I read and ( wrongly again )how I vote.
You come across as a very angry immigrant who rages at anyone who doesn't agree with you. Intolerant of people's views and lacking the intelligence to offer any counter.
You've gone into some Orwellian loop of 'immigrant ... tourette ... immigrant ... tourette .... ' so I'll let you play there for a while. Before you inevitably reply upping your anger levels, maybe stop and wonder why on every thread you are on your contribution level totals just slinging abuse and posting stupid smilie things as answers. Have a think about it because it tends to come across as you acting at a low level of intelligence and mental health when you seem to have been prescribed PH as some kinda therapy as an argument clinic for your needs.
Your boring Farage tourettes is neither interesting, funny or accurate. As is telling me ( wrongly ) which paper I read and ( wrongly again )how I vote.
You come across as a very angry immigrant who rages at anyone who doesn't agree with you. Intolerant of people's views and lacking the intelligence to offer any counter.
You are doing your usual thing of making stuff up. I said that I have no interest in debating things with you, after all, it would be like debating spectroscopy with a donkey. A number of people were, quite patiently, explaining to you, in very simple terms, why you were wrong. Eventually, they all gave up.
Unless your name is Leonard using 'everybody knows' is not an argument, it's a cry for support from similarly bright monosyllabists.
It is free movement of Labour. The fact that we are already seeing farmers not being able to find enough seasonal workers, the fact that the number of nurses applying to work has dropped by 96% and that overall immigration from EU is falling, confirms that.
As this is a thread about T May, one could ascertain that she failed to implement measures that were/are available to her both as an HO minister and as PM. Or that she simply didn't see them as necessary as markets are already doing the job, together with the relevant EU framework.
Who you vote for and what paper you 'read' (ha!), is rather irrelevant to any of my points.
Anyhow, as you went from mildly entertaining, to a complete bore, I'll join the others in giving up on you.
You were unable/unwilling to debate the points made and that's fine, because as you say you have no interest. So please , for your sake and that of PH, maybe temper yourself to avoid me on PH. I have no interest in anything you say because you come across on here as having a huge chip on your shoulder, probably related to the fact you are an immigrant and incapable of just being able to tolerate a differing view or opinion. That's simply for you personally to deal with without inflicting it on every single thread on PH in which your name appears.
Please don't reply to anything I ever say on PH. Ten pounds to the mental health charity of your using, that you will still do so though.
Mario149 said:
Tuna said:
And before the easily confused start bleating on about tax avoidance, it's pure fantasy land to suggest that 'the rich' don't pay tax. The governments' own figures show that the top 1% - you know, the really rich who have smart accountants and holiday homes in the Cayman islands - pay three times more in tax than the entire bottom 50% of earners. It's a great narrative that Lilly Allen and other student debaters perpetuate that somehow those evil rich people swan through life without paying anything - but there are plenty of studies that show it's simply not true.
Point of order: in my experience the people in the top 1% don't have the fancy accountants or holiday homes in the Caymans. Top 0.1% maybeJust to put a bit of perspective out there for the sheep that constantly bleat on about this 1% and they all have multiple mansions around the world, etc.
Du1point8 said:
Mario149 said:
Tuna said:
And before the easily confused start bleating on about tax avoidance, it's pure fantasy land to suggest that 'the rich' don't pay tax. The governments' own figures show that the top 1% - you know, the really rich who have smart accountants and holiday homes in the Cayman islands - pay three times more in tax than the entire bottom 50% of earners. It's a great narrative that Lilly Allen and other student debaters perpetuate that somehow those evil rich people swan through life without paying anything - but there are plenty of studies that show it's simply not true.
Point of order: in my experience the people in the top 1% don't have the fancy accountants or holiday homes in the Caymans. Top 0.1% maybeJust to put a bit of perspective out there for the sheep that constantly bleat on about this 1% and they all have multiple mansions around the world, etc.
- Total tax/NI deducted (£60K/year based on a £120K-£50K salary split)
- Paying the mortgage for say a 3 bedroom semi with a small garden anywhere nice near (not in) London when you've only been on the housing ladder a few years (£25K/year)
- Private pension contributions (£15K/year)
- Childcare for a couple of young kids so parents can work (£20K+/year)
- Food and bills (£15K/year)
- 2x cars and public transport so parents can commute/collect kids etc (say total costs amortized to £750/month each, so £15K/year)
That gets you to £150K of the £170K.
Now, I'm by no means saying that it's a tough life as clearly there's still a lot of disposable income, and much much much more if you decided to bin the obvious stuff like living somewhere nice and having kids. But it's hardly the jet set flashy lifestyle for a couple with 2 kids that a lot of people will think it is.
Mario149 said:
Now, I'm by no means saying that it's a tough life as clearly there's still a lot of disposable income, and much much much more if you decided to bin the obvious stuff like living somewhere nice and having kids. But it's hardly the jet set flashy lifestyle for a couple with 2 kids that a lot of people will think it is.
It makes me laugh to see the YouTube videos saying "Be rich like me.. I earn 100K a year!!". It's amazing how much you have to actually earn to be genuinely rich.Tuna said:
Mario149 said:
Now, I'm by no means saying that it's a tough life as clearly there's still a lot of disposable income, and much much much more if you decided to bin the obvious stuff like living somewhere nice and having kids. But it's hardly the jet set flashy lifestyle for a couple with 2 kids that a lot of people will think it is.
It makes me laugh to see the YouTube videos saying "Be rich like me.. I earn 100K a year!!". It's amazing how much you have to actually earn to be genuinely rich.(0.05 - 0.02) x asset value = 1,000,000
So income generating assets of ~£33M I think....although I'm sure someone has a better calc than that.
Mario149 said:
I remember a thread on PH a while back where this was discussed. I think the general consensus was that you had to be able to live of the interest/yield of your money/assets after inflation had been taken into account and the appropriate amount reinvested so that you could continue indefinitely with the real value of your money/assets never dropping. For example, assuming you want £1M gross per year, inflation was at 2% and your interest/yield was 5%:
(0.05 - 0.02) x asset value = 1,000,000
So income generating assets of ~£33M I think....although I'm sure someone has a better calc than that.
I sold my business and retired 5 years ago. I drew 3.6% of my pension and investment pot as income. This has allowed some growth so that I've been able to increase my drawings each year (3.6% of the increased pot). So far so good.(0.05 - 0.02) x asset value = 1,000,000
So income generating assets of ~£33M I think....although I'm sure someone has a better calc than that.
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