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frisbee

4,957 posts

109 months

Sunday 27th August 2017
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Some people angling to be May's next advisors on this thread. It was an utterly inept campaign as her goal was an increased majority.

She's announcing when she'll stand down so no one challenges her. I don't think it'll dissuade them.

Derek Smith

45,513 posts

247 months

Sunday 27th August 2017
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frisbee said:
Some people angling to be May's next advisors on this thread. It was an utterly inept campaign as her goal was an increased majority.

She's announcing when she'll stand down so no one challenges her. I don't think it'll dissuade them.
Do you think the PM's role is a bit of a poisoned chalice? Whatever the result of the negotiations, a majority of the population are likely to be irritated. There's the remainers of course, so nearly half, and then there's those who voted to leave. Some probably wanted something along the lines of what Johnson suggested: something along the lines of the Norwegian option. Others wanted WTO. Then there's all those in between. There is no way of satisfying a clear majority. If the £ continues to 'fluctuate' downwards then even those who wanted to leave might wonder why they voted that way. Then they will find that the UK wants to keep cheap plumbers, electricians and other builders. Nurses will be needed as well. Then there's all the others. Those that just didn't like foreigners might well be upset.

I don't think anyone but an idiot would want her job, and Johnson hasn't got the support of Murdoch, so he's out of the picture as well.


AmitG

3,272 posts

159 months

Sunday 27th August 2017
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Derek Smith said:
Do you think the PM's role is a bit of a poisoned chalice? Whatever the result of the negotiations, a majority of the population are likely to be irritated. There's the remainers of course, so nearly half, and then there's those who voted to leave. Some probably wanted something along the lines of what Johnson suggested: something along the lines of the Norwegian option. Others wanted WTO. Then there's all those in between. There is no way of satisfying a clear majority. If the £ continues to 'fluctuate' downwards then even those who wanted to leave might wonder why they voted that way. Then they will find that the UK wants to keep cheap plumbers, electricians and other builders. Nurses will be needed as well. Then there's all the others. Those that just didn't like foreigners might well be upset.

I don't think anyone but an idiot would want her job, and Johnson hasn't got the support of Murdoch, so he's out of the picture as well.
I agree with this. PM is very much a poisoned chalice ATM. Whoever does it is destined to be unpopular.

Given this, in a way I do admire May for carrying on with it. She could just quit and go have a quiet life (like Cameron and Osborne did). She's staying and I get the impression she knows she screwed up and she is going to try and fix it.

Merc 450

921 posts

98 months

Sunday 27th August 2017
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AmitG said:
Derek Smith said:
Do you think the PM's role is a bit of a poisoned chalice? Whatever the result of the negotiations, a majority of the population are likely to be irritated. There's the remainers of course, so nearly half, and then there's those who voted to leave. Some probably wanted something along the lines of what Johnson suggested: something along the lines of the Norwegian option. Others wanted WTO. Then there's all those in between. There is no way of satisfying a clear majority. If the £ continues to 'fluctuate' downwards then even those who wanted to leave might wonder why they voted that way. Then they will find that the UK wants to keep cheap plumbers, electricians and other builders. Nurses will be needed as well. Then there's all the others. Those that just didn't like foreigners might well be upset.

I don't think anyone but an idiot would want her job, and Johnson hasn't got the support of Murdoch, so he's out of the picture as well.
I agree with this. PM is very much a poisoned chalice ATM. Whoever does it is destined to be unpopular.

Given this, in a way I do admire May for carrying on with it. She could just quit and go have a quiet life (like Cameron and Osborne did). She's staying and I get the impression she knows she screwed up and she is going to try and fix it.
I think she will do fine the opposition is a far left commy terrorist lover, but if she is overthrown from within Jacob Rees mogg will be PM according to my Twitter feed he is the favourite to be the next conservative leader. To be honest I'd prefer Boris.

spaximus

4,230 posts

252 months

Sunday 27th August 2017
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Merc 450 said:
I think she will do fine the opposition is a far left commy terrorist lover, but if she is overthrown from within Jacob Rees mogg will be PM according to my Twitter feed he is the favourite to be the next conservative leader. To be honest I'd prefer Boris.
I like JRM and he will wipe the floor with Corbyn and his team, however he will never be seen as attractive to students as he tells the truth. Facebook will whip up stories about him being a Toff who wants to kill bunnies and poor people and these are the people the Tories need to stop in their tracks.

He will be compared to a Bertie Wooster badly. I think there will be a stalking horse candidate and then other will join in. God help the Tories if Amber Herd was made leader.

frisbee

4,957 posts

109 months

Sunday 27th August 2017
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Derek Smith said:
Do you think the PM's role is a bit of a poisoned chalice? Whatever the result of the negotiations, a majority of the population are likely to be irritated. There's the remainers of course, so nearly half, and then there's those who voted to leave. Some probably wanted something along the lines of what Johnson suggested: something along the lines of the Norwegian option. Others wanted WTO. Then there's all those in between. There is no way of satisfying a clear majority. If the £ continues to 'fluctuate' downwards then even those who wanted to leave might wonder why they voted that way. Then they will find that the UK wants to keep cheap plumbers, electricians and other builders. Nurses will be needed as well. Then there's all the others. Those that just didn't like foreigners might well be upset.

I don't think anyone but an idiot would want her job, and Johnson hasn't got the support of Murdoch, so he's out of the picture as well.
I think there are a lot of them that'll leap at the chance to be prime minister, even if its just for half an hour. Our politicians are such a disappointing bunch at the moment. You can start to see why people voted for new labour now, anything even slightly different is worth the chance.

Beati Dogu

8,862 posts

138 months

Monday 28th August 2017
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spaximus said:
God help the Tories if Amber Herd was made leader.
I think you mean Amber Rudd.

Amber Heard is Johnny Depp's Ex. I don't doubt she'd make a better Home Secretary though .

JagLover

42,265 posts

234 months

Monday 28th August 2017
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Beati Dogu said:
I think you mean Amber Rudd.

Amber Heard is Johnny Depp's Ex. I don't doubt she'd make a better Home Secretary though .
yes



spaximus

4,230 posts

252 months

Monday 28th August 2017
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Beati Dogu said:
spaximus said:
God help the Tories if Amber Herd was made leader.
I think you mean Amber Rudd.

Amber Heard is Johnny Depp's Ex. I don't doubt she'd make a better Home Secretary though .
It was late, I was tired but yes both inept at being Home Secretary.

anonymous-user

53 months

Tuesday 29th August 2017
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The current Conservative 'candidates' are pretty hopeless.
Either comedy figures/toxic/incompetent fools.
That's why inept Theresa is still there!

I feel their next leader isn't yet on the radar

RedTrident

8,290 posts

234 months

Wednesday 30th August 2017
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chris watton said:
Corbyn's endgame would be Venezuela 2.0.
I've spent time in Venezuela. Our country is nothing like it. Give over.

sidicks

25,218 posts

220 months

Wednesday 30th August 2017
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RedTrident said:
chris watton said:
Corbyn's endgame would be Venezuela 2.0.
I've spent time in Venezuela. Our country is nothing like it. Give over.
That's because Corbyn isn't in charge to implement his policies. HTH.

RedTrident

8,290 posts

234 months

Wednesday 30th August 2017
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frisbee said:
Some people angling to be May's next advisors on this thread. It was an utterly inept campaign as her goal was an increased majority.

She's announcing when she'll stand down so no one challenges her. I don't think it'll dissuade them.
Agreed.

Murph7355

37,651 posts

255 months

Wednesday 30th August 2017
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RedTrident said:
frisbee said:
Some people angling to be May's next advisors on this thread. It was an utterly inept campaign as her goal was an increased majority.

She's announcing when she'll stand down so no one challenges her. I don't think it'll dissuade them.
Agreed.
I don't see any change happening before Brexit is over. The next leader/PM has nothing to gain in doing that and everything to lose.

If they do mount a challenge sooner they're demonstrating as much tactical ineptitude as May has done.

Eddie Strohacker

3,879 posts

85 months

Wednesday 30th August 2017
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Murph7355 said:
I don't see any change happening before Brexit is over. The next leader/PM has nothing to gain in doing that and everything to lose.

If they do mount a challenge sooner they're demonstrating as much tactical ineptitude as May has done.
I like the belief that having witnessed for real-no mistake-actually took place, a catastrophic fk up by the Conservatives, that it couldn't possibly happen again, even though we saw it with our own eyes. And that is a shining example of the loss of moderate, balanced discourse in this country, a vacuum now filled by extreme polarised partisanship on either side of the debate to our great discredit. It's on display here day after day & a very good reason to limit one's exposure to the blinkered unreasonable nutters haunting NP&E.

Oops, I did it again.

Murph7355

37,651 posts

255 months

Wednesday 30th August 2017
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Eddie Strohacker said:
I like the belief that having witnessed for real-no mistake-actually took place, a catastrophic fk up by the Conservatives, that it couldn't possibly happen again, even though we saw it with our own eyes. And that is a shining example of the loss of moderate, balanced discourse in this country, a vacuum now filled by extreme polarised partisanship on either side of the debate to our great discredit. It's on display here day after day & a very good reason to limit one's exposure to the blinkered unreasonable nutters haunting NP&E.

Oops, I did it again.
I don't really understand your first hyphenated sentence having read it a couple of times. I'd it's suggesting I don't believe the Conservatives made a mistake then you are wrong. Read my first posts on the topic when she called the GE. It was always a stupid idea.

(Are you including yourself in the latter description btw? smile)

It's because of May's miscalculation (I'm not sure "catastrophic" is the best description... It could have been far worse after all. But it was incredibly poor judgement and she is damaged goods as a leader) that I do not believe any other candidate will seriously step forward until summer 2019 at least.

Eddie Strohacker

3,879 posts

85 months

Wednesday 30th August 2017
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Murph7355 said:
I don't really understand your first hyphenated sentence having read it a couple of times.
Of course not. It's practically written in Cyrillic. How could anyone be expected to unpick the meaning in that?

Murph7355 said:
then you are wrong
As usual.

Murph7355 said:
Read my first posts on the topic
No thanks. Self importance much?

Murph7355 said:
(Are you including yourself in the latter description btw? smile)
Yes, but I've learned from my experiences about the merits of shouting impotently into the abyss. TTFN. wavey

RedTrident

8,290 posts

234 months

Wednesday 30th August 2017
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sidicks said:
That's because Corbyn isn't in charge to implement his policies. HTH.
The underlying political and social environment on the UK is nothing like Venezuela. It's fear peddling and scare mongering.

Murph7355

37,651 posts

255 months

Wednesday 30th August 2017
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Eddie Strohacker said:
Yes, but I've learned from my experiences about the merits of shouting impotently into the abyss. TTFN. wavey
Not very well, it appears.

Hayek

8,969 posts

207 months

Wednesday 30th August 2017
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RedTrident said:
sidicks said:
That's because Corbyn isn't in charge to implement his policies. HTH.
The underlying political and social environment on the UK is nothing like Venezuela. It's fear peddling and scare mongering.
Yea, full-on socialism didn't work in Venezuela because it was the WRONG COUNTRY. It'll be just fine here, don't worry.
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