Discussion
PositronicRay said:
She was historically a Eurosceptic, her (reluctant) remain stance was loyalty and support for DC and the government's official position. You have to admire that.
It looked to me like she was deliberately in the background, keeping her head, ready to pick up the pieces.
I don't think anyone should be admired for going against their principles. I doubt it was loyalty in any case, unless it was loyalty to the Terry May position. I agree with your second sentence. She spent the campaign looking after her options. Surely it would be better to have campaigned for what she thought best for the UK It looked to me like she was deliberately in the background, keeping her head, ready to pick up the pieces.
el stovey said:
Cameron is quite scathing of her regarding her reluctance to state her views regarding Brexit. Then when it all kicked off, she went on a walking holiday in the alps. 
I quite like her she's got a kind of sci-fi/head of a police state/Star Trek look about her.
I thought this one was the best:I quite like her she's got a kind of sci-fi/head of a police state/Star Trek look about her.
Edited by el stovey on Sunday 2nd October 14:03
Vixpy1 said:
Lots of words so far, so far no action.
She will spend the majority of the parliment fighting her own MP's to get stuff through
That's how it feels to me. After the, almost weekly, press releases we've had since the Blair years about what great and wonderful things the government is planning on doing, it feels like we have a zombie government. New grammar schools and Hunt trying to force his contract through are pretty much the only things to make the news of late. Oh and Brexit whenever we decide to do that.She will spend the majority of the parliment fighting her own MP's to get stuff through
glazbagun said:
Vixpy1 said:
Lots of words so far, so far no action.
She will spend the majority of the parliment fighting her own MP's to get stuff through
That's how it feels to me. After the, almost weekly, press releases we've had since the Blair years about what great and wonderful things the government is planning on doing, it feels like we have a zombie government. New grammar schools and Hunt trying to force his contract through are pretty much the only things to make the news of late. Oh and Brexit whenever we decide to do that.She will spend the majority of the parliment fighting her own MP's to get stuff through
If she really is going to be the sort of leader don4l imagines she is then perhaps she can make some decisions on a new runway in the south east, whether HS2 should go ahead before more money is wasted and a massive house building programme?
glazbagun said:
Vixpy1 said:
Lots of words so far, so far no action.
She will spend the majority of the parliment fighting her own MP's to get stuff through
That's how it feels to me. After the, almost weekly, press releases we've had since the Blair years about what great and wonderful things the government is planning on doing, it feels like we have a zombie government. New grammar schools and Hunt trying to force his contract through are pretty much the only things to make the news of late. Oh and Brexit whenever we decide to do that.She will spend the majority of the parliment fighting her own MP's to get stuff through
On my way to the Tory party conference now so it will be interesting to gauge the sentiment in the bars and corridors
Smollet said:
I find her stance on promoting faith schools is a massive step backwards
It's a huge red flag. I don't care for religious politicians at the best of times, but religious politicians who can't leave their nonsense at home are always a disaster.Her tenure will end in tears, hopefully sooner rather than later.
TwigtheWonderkid said:
Smollet said:
I find her stance on promoting faith schools is a massive step backwards
It's a huge red flag. I don't care for religious politicians at the best of times, but religious politicians who can't leave their nonsense at home are always a disaster.Her tenure will end in tears, hopefully sooner rather than later.
glazbagun said:
That's how it feels to me. After the, almost weekly, press releases we've had since the Blair years about what great and wonderful things the government is planning on doing, it feels like we have a zombie government.
Isn't it wonderful?Thank goodness for the end of the spin doctors constantly briefing the media lovies.
What we need is boring, sensible, thought through politics.
I honestly don't see how she can please the grass roots and the party donors. It's just impossible. Politics essentially consists of giving your opponents just enough rope whilst making sure you don't let go of your end. She's got equal weight both sides and each side has the power, and the will, to do for her. She is in serious trouble.
W124 said:
I honestly don't see how she can please the grass roots and the party donors. It's just impossible. Politics essentially consists of giving your opponents just enough rope whilst making sure you don't let go of your end. She's got equal weight both sides and each side has the power, and the will, to do for her. She is in serious trouble.
Which is why the big beasts ran a mile from the leadership this time.It's hard to read with TM but she either knows full well that she's the fall girl (she's nearly sixty and in poor health so, once she's got PM ticked off her bucket list, why would she really care) or is genuinely backing herself that she can find a new political centre ground by balancing off these two forces.
I hope it's the former and she's realistic enough to realise that her job is to kick the Brexit can down the road for long enough to make the issue sufficiently untoxic for Osborne/Hammond etc to come in and quietly unpick. If it's the latter, it will end in tears.
loafer123 said:
If the removal of the requirement for terminally ill and permanently disabled people from constant checks for eligibility for benefits is an indication of her common sense, compassionate approach to those truly in need, and of more changes to come, I think she could do very well.
Exactly she's literally been in post what 5-6 weeks? And landing into that one of the biggest since the Henry 8th split from Rome it's not an easy gig. As a country whatever your political leaning we are in this together we are leaving period as such we need her to get the best deal possible.
It might be that the tactic of going hard Brexit and using WTO trade agreement instead puts the ball in EUs court. Worst case we have WTO which given the £.decline is actually cheaper for EU consumers than before so kind of irrelevant.
The nonsense that you cannot trade with an area as your not part of it is gibberish.
I was quite impressed by her interview with Andrew Marr this morning, an interview in which there were some straight answers to some straight questions:
Article 50 : Will be invoked by end March next year.
Immigration : Committed to gaining control of immigration by the government.
Why was Osborne sacked : She wanted a cabinet in support of all people not just the privileged few - ouch!
Commentary : Media won't get a running commentary but will receive commentary when the government deems it necessary and doesn't undermine the Brexit negotiations.
The early move for the 'EU repeal bill' is, IMHO, a very smart move. It will 'smoke out' and expose the difficult members of her own party in the near future rather than towards the end of Brexit negotiations. What is more sensible than taking current EU laws onto the UK books unchanged at the point of Brexit and then debating changes etc. later under UK sovereignty. It will be difficult to argue against this without appearing churlish.
Oh, and socking it to Sturgeon later on.
Early days of course.
Article 50 : Will be invoked by end March next year.
Immigration : Committed to gaining control of immigration by the government.
Why was Osborne sacked : She wanted a cabinet in support of all people not just the privileged few - ouch!
Commentary : Media won't get a running commentary but will receive commentary when the government deems it necessary and doesn't undermine the Brexit negotiations.
The early move for the 'EU repeal bill' is, IMHO, a very smart move. It will 'smoke out' and expose the difficult members of her own party in the near future rather than towards the end of Brexit negotiations. What is more sensible than taking current EU laws onto the UK books unchanged at the point of Brexit and then debating changes etc. later under UK sovereignty. It will be difficult to argue against this without appearing churlish.
Oh, and socking it to Sturgeon later on.
Early days of course.
don4l said:
Elroy Blue said:
Teflon Theresa. One of the most incompetent Home Secretarys ever. Despite everything she touched becoming a shambles, nothing ever stuck.
She's lucky her opposite number is Corbyn. Anyone with half an ounce of competence would take her to the cleaners.
I have a suspicion that as time passes you will come to like her.She's lucky her opposite number is Corbyn. Anyone with half an ounce of competence would take her to the cleaners.
She publicly declared herself as a Remainer, but then she appointed Liam Fox, David Davis and Ian Duncan-Smith to her cabinet. It would appear that she was probably a Leaver all along.
t hits the fan...Derek Smith said:
PositronicRay said:
She was historically a Eurosceptic, her (reluctant) remain stance was loyalty and support for DC and the government's official position. You have to admire that.
It looked to me like she was deliberately in the background, keeping her head, ready to pick up the pieces.
I don't think anyone should be admired for going against their principles. I doubt it was loyalty in any case, unless it was loyalty to the Terry May position. I agree with your second sentence. She spent the campaign looking after her options. Surely it would be better to have campaigned for what she thought best for the UK It looked to me like she was deliberately in the background, keeping her head, ready to pick up the pieces.
The Conservative party would need an unsullied and untainted leader, should the vote go the wrong way. Keeping out of the bickering was right, personally, politically and for the party.
Edited by PositronicRay on Sunday 2nd October 19:24
So far I am pretty happy with her.
On grammar and faith schools - personally I'm fine with it. I reckon there is a high level of support for grammar schools in the country, even amongst Labour voters.
On Brexit - it's such a toxic job that the previous PM quit rather than take it on. Nothing she does is going to please everyone. But I like the approach of invoking article 50 early and then taking the EU legislation on the UK statute books so that successive UK governments can unpick it in accordance with the wishes of the electorate.
Someone up there said that we seem to have ended up with a zombie government. I think this perception is down to 2 things: firstly, the Commons has been on holiday, and it's always quieter during that time. Secondly, I sense that some of the media circus and grandstanding has gone, and we have a government that will knuckle down and do some work rather than go round doing photo ops.
The comparison with Thatcher is interesting. Worth bearing in mind that when Thatcher defeated Ted Heath and became Tory leader, her first few months in the job were not that great. Her Commons performances were weak. The Labour government patronised her, pushed her around and basically told her to get back in the kitchen. The Tory party openly wondered whether they should replace her. It took her quite a while to get into her stride. Thatcher's style was to get her head down, master the details, make a decision, and then stick to it. No running commentary. May's style seems to be similar.
Interestingly, my OH has been Labour for all of her adult life. Worked in the public sector (nursing then adult education). Yet she says that if there were a general election tomorrow, she would vote Tory for the first time ever. She thinks Corbyn is a disaster, and she likes Theresa May.
On grammar and faith schools - personally I'm fine with it. I reckon there is a high level of support for grammar schools in the country, even amongst Labour voters.
On Brexit - it's such a toxic job that the previous PM quit rather than take it on. Nothing she does is going to please everyone. But I like the approach of invoking article 50 early and then taking the EU legislation on the UK statute books so that successive UK governments can unpick it in accordance with the wishes of the electorate.
Someone up there said that we seem to have ended up with a zombie government. I think this perception is down to 2 things: firstly, the Commons has been on holiday, and it's always quieter during that time. Secondly, I sense that some of the media circus and grandstanding has gone, and we have a government that will knuckle down and do some work rather than go round doing photo ops.
The comparison with Thatcher is interesting. Worth bearing in mind that when Thatcher defeated Ted Heath and became Tory leader, her first few months in the job were not that great. Her Commons performances were weak. The Labour government patronised her, pushed her around and basically told her to get back in the kitchen. The Tory party openly wondered whether they should replace her. It took her quite a while to get into her stride. Thatcher's style was to get her head down, master the details, make a decision, and then stick to it. No running commentary. May's style seems to be similar.
Interestingly, my OH has been Labour for all of her adult life. Worked in the public sector (nursing then adult education). Yet she says that if there were a general election tomorrow, she would vote Tory for the first time ever. She thinks Corbyn is a disaster, and she likes Theresa May.
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