White Flight and failing Integration
Discussion
fesuvious said:
The sooner we stop making this a skin colour issue the better.
This isn't a skin colour issue, and hasn't been for decades.
The is a religion/culture issue. The media and political class are too frightened to acknowledge this though.
There is one class that a awful lot of Sikh, Hindi, White, brown, black, pink, Irish and god knows how many more just do not want to live with.
This isn't a skin colour issue, and hasn't been for decades.
The is a religion/culture issue. The media and political class are too frightened to acknowledge this though.
There is one class that a awful lot of Sikh, Hindi, White, brown, black, pink, Irish and god knows how many more just do not want to live with.
My grandmother was an immigrant and she integrated by immersing herself in the local culture, she'd happily talk about her cultur and do the food thing, etc... if asked, but was happy to go with the flow and became an integral part of her town's community.
My Indian wife is doing exactly the same in the North Herefordshire village where we now live. She's making an effort to integrate into the local community and it's been a very pleasant experience since we moved to the UK in March.
So, it can be easily done.
I heard some Labour dude on the radio earlier, I think it was that Chucka guy (missed the name) saying it was the 'duty' of the existing community to integrate with the newcomers.
See, I always thought it was the newcomers job to do that and for the existing chaps to be tolerant of their new friends and help them get used to their new home.
I live I such la la land.
My Indian wife is doing exactly the same in the North Herefordshire village where we now live. She's making an effort to integrate into the local community and it's been a very pleasant experience since we moved to the UK in March.
So, it can be easily done.
I heard some Labour dude on the radio earlier, I think it was that Chucka guy (missed the name) saying it was the 'duty' of the existing community to integrate with the newcomers.
See, I always thought it was the newcomers job to do that and for the existing chaps to be tolerant of their new friends and help them get used to their new home.
I live I such la la land.
Derek Smith said:
My gran was more or less an immigrant. She was 'one of them' for years. For me there was only one instance of rejection and that from a sour old ruminant who was only happy making people as unhappy as her.
I'm British. My father thought of himself as entirely British, as did his brothers and sisters that survived the wars.
Integration happens.
Comparing the Irish Diaspora to the rise of Muslim only areas is pretty disingenuous Derek. I'm British. My father thought of himself as entirely British, as did his brothers and sisters that survived the wars.
Integration happens.
Four Litre said:
fesuvious said:
The sooner we stop making this a skin colour issue the better.
This isn't a skin colour issue, and hasn't been for decades.
The is a religion/culture issue. The media and political class are too frightened to acknowledge this though.
There is one class that a awful lot of Sikh, Hindi, White, brown, black, pink, Irish and god knows how many more just do not want to live with.
Bigot!!This isn't a skin colour issue, and hasn't been for decades.
The is a religion/culture issue. The media and political class are too frightened to acknowledge this though.
There is one class that a awful lot of Sikh, Hindi, White, brown, black, pink, Irish and god knows how many more just do not want to live with.
This does not help.
It's been happening in Bradford for years and is still going on, people first moved from the wards around Bradford to the villages and smaller towns surrounding it they are now moving further out to places like Harrogate/Ilkley/Wetherby/Skipton if they can afford to.
Bradford has been a segregated city for years (schools/housing etc..) It's now starting to extend down the two valleys (Aire/Wharfe) the Aire valley is worst hit extending down to Keighley hence the price of a house can be 2 or 3 times greater in the Wharfe valley where the issue has just reached Baildon, It's a huge problem but not one the politicians local or national want to admit to or tackle.
Bradford has been a segregated city for years (schools/housing etc..) It's now starting to extend down the two valleys (Aire/Wharfe) the Aire valley is worst hit extending down to Keighley hence the price of a house can be 2 or 3 times greater in the Wharfe valley where the issue has just reached Baildon, It's a huge problem but not one the politicians local or national want to admit to or tackle.
Johnnytheboy said:
Integration only happens when immigration is below a certain level, above which there is no need for new arrivals to integrate.
If you are in a large, insular community of like minded people, why integrate?
If you are "the only Asian in the village" you are going to integrate pretty quickly.
In my view one of the purposes of immigration policy is to maintain social cohesion by keeping immigration at or below that level.
There was an Irish enclave where I lived, at least in my early life. People moved up and so moved out. When I was in my teens I went to the Harp Club, but that was all but dead as an Irish only location. It still held on to some traditions, the fighting outside being one of them, and another was not talking to the women. If you are in a large, insular community of like minded people, why integrate?
If you are "the only Asian in the village" you are going to integrate pretty quickly.
In my view one of the purposes of immigration policy is to maintain social cohesion by keeping immigration at or below that level.
As for Irish immigration being below a certain level, I'm not sure that's correct. A grandfather came from Liverpool and, according to him, there were whole neighbourhoods that were more Irish than Ireland.
I moved away from the shamrock-centred lifestyle early on. My family were very insular and we only really socialised with them. It was a big family though, my father was one of 18 and my mother one of 8. But I didn't sort of feel I was part Irish for years. There was still a bit of anti-Irish sentiment around then and I just ignored it. I was called bog Irish by a group and ran home to my nan to complain, as you do, and she said: Yes, we are. Not that helpful then, but now I realise it was just the thing to say.
I reckon that the kids will move first. They will be seen as abandoning their families etc but that's never bothered the youth of any race in this country before.
There will be those who stick by the 'old ways', similar to Jews in this country, the French in Canada and the Brits is Oz, but they will be seen as a bit odd I think.
I worked in a Jewish area of London. There were many there who were more British, English in fact, than the Brits. It was a lovely mix of Jewish self-deprecating humour and great knowledge of history. (Me: Why have you got a picture of Oedipus on your wall. He killed his father. Jewish friend, in a mock heavy Jewish accent and shrug: He loved his mother.) It was one of the most enjoyable of places to police. The locals had fled, although they are returning now and kicking out the immigrant families, or at least their descendants.
I see no reason why there won't be integration. History shows us there will be and the religion is hardly something unique.
I know the town in the article is not huge, but 1.1% are white.
looking back to the original article and the suggestion policies may be needed to encourage white people to move back to these areas.
What policy would make you and you your two young white daughters want to live in an area that is 99% Asian (I will assume muslim) where 99% of the women walk around covered head to toe in a black sheet.
There is a nice property for sale near the cab office.
looking back to the original article and the suggestion policies may be needed to encourage white people to move back to these areas.
What policy would make you and you your two young white daughters want to live in an area that is 99% Asian (I will assume muslim) where 99% of the women walk around covered head to toe in a black sheet.
There is a nice property for sale near the cab office.
fesuvious said:
The is a religion/culture issue. The media and political class are too frightened to acknowledge this though.
There is one class that a awful lot of Sikh, Hindi, White, brown, black, pink, Irish and god knows how many more just do not want to live with.
I see what you did there..! There is one class that a awful lot of Sikh, Hindi, White, brown, black, pink, Irish and god knows how many more just do not want to live with.
The price of property tends to be a key driver in mobility.
People will have a choice between staying where they are (eg with parents or in rented) and living next to that cab office. They'll decide.
Our first two places where a rented house in Rusholme (even back then predominantly Asian and cheap) and then a house purchase near Langworthy Road in Salford (completely grim). This was entirely driven by finances as I couldnt afford to live in the entirely white areas I was brought up in.
People will have a choice between staying where they are (eg with parents or in rented) and living next to that cab office. They'll decide.
Our first two places where a rented house in Rusholme (even back then predominantly Asian and cheap) and then a house purchase near Langworthy Road in Salford (completely grim). This was entirely driven by finances as I couldnt afford to live in the entirely white areas I was brought up in.
desolate said:
The price of property tends to be a key driver in mobility.
People will have a choice between staying where they are (eg with parents or in rented) and living next to that cab office. They'll decide.
Our first two places where a rented house in Rusholme (even back then predominantly Asian and cheap) and then a house purchase near Langworthy Road in Salford (completely grim). This was entirely driven by finances as I couldnt afford to live in the entirely white areas I was brought up in.
But now you (the royal you - not specifically you) can afford to live in a white area you move there as quick as possible ?People will have a choice between staying where they are (eg with parents or in rented) and living next to that cab office. They'll decide.
Our first two places where a rented house in Rusholme (even back then predominantly Asian and cheap) and then a house purchase near Langworthy Road in Salford (completely grim). This was entirely driven by finances as I couldnt afford to live in the entirely white areas I was brought up in.
del mar said:
But now you (the royal you - not specifically you) can afford to live in a white area you move there as quick as possible ?
Originally moved on to London to go to University (late entrant at 21)Then moved back up for work and moved about 100 yards from the office.
I cant speak for others but the predominant ethnicity of the area had nothing to do with any of my house moving decisions.
I think were I live is one of the least ethnically diverse parts of the country (it was when I checked it out for an insurance project in 2011 and is massively, overwhelmingly white)
I'd move to London or central Manchester tomorrow but the wife and son wouldn't be too keen. My daughter would love it though.
Edited by anonymous-user on Thursday 3rd November 11:17
pim said:
So you are saying Bradford is overrun with Indian/Pakistani people and the whites are moving out.
Why are politicians afraid to mention this?
This happened in a big city I grew up in.When I go back sometimes it does look different.
Its happened in London! Just walk from Whitechapel to Goodmayes.Why are politicians afraid to mention this?
This happened in a big city I grew up in.When I go back sometimes it does look different.
pim said:
So you are saying Bradford is overrun with Indian/Pakistani people and the whites are moving out.
Why are politicians afraid to mention this?
This happened in a big city I grew up in.When I go back sometimes it does look different.
It's been happening in the USA for decades. I'm surprised politicians, particularly the left, haven't learnt from this. Or have they... Why are politicians afraid to mention this?
This happened in a big city I grew up in.When I go back sometimes it does look different.
del mar said:
I know the town in the article is not huge, but 1.1% are white.
looking back to the original article and the suggestion policies may be needed to encourage white people to move back to these areas.
What policy would make you and you your two young white daughters want to live in an area that is 99% Asian (I will assume muslim) where 99% of the women walk around covered head to toe in a black sheet.
There is a nice property for sale near the cab office.
Which town is 1.1% white? Which town has 99% of women walking around covered head to toe in a black sheet?looking back to the original article and the suggestion policies may be needed to encourage white people to move back to these areas.
What policy would make you and you your two young white daughters want to live in an area that is 99% Asian (I will assume muslim) where 99% of the women walk around covered head to toe in a black sheet.
There is a nice property for sale near the cab office.
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