Could UK U-turn on Referendum Result (Vol 2)
Discussion
powerstroke said:
///ajd said:
You keep digging kid , I'm still smirking ..... Tuna said:
///ajd said:
What have we agreed about anecdotes and data?Greg66 said:
powerstroke said:
///ajd said:
You keep digging kid , I'm still smirking ..... ///ajd said:
When we actually leave, will you have the strength to carry on, or will you simply stay in your room crying?don'tbesilly said:
///ajd said:
Aww bless, those stories must have made you all warm and fuzzy,not that it will make any difference whatsoever.Of course it also ignores the obvious, that for every one that expresses regret for their vote to Leave, at a realistic guess there would be one who regrets their vote to Remain, it won't be published in the Guardian though.
Greg66 said:
powerstroke said:
///ajd said:
You keep digging kid , I'm still smirking ..... The article is worth reading in total - it covers the drivers for many of the predictable responses above, and the reluctance to change, and it covers the apparent lack of swing too.
The fact it generated so much triggering is interesting - perhaps some recognise themselves but are still in denial.
There is also the “should we let new facts enter the debate or just stubbornly stick to the result”. It is the stubbornly stick answer I find most wanting, especially when so many brexiteers are angry that it is panning out so badly (as remainders predicted, and as brexiteer said would be no problem).
The fact it generated so much triggering is interesting - perhaps some recognise themselves but are still in denial.
There is also the “should we let new facts enter the debate or just stubbornly stick to the result”. It is the stubbornly stick answer I find most wanting, especially when so many brexiteers are angry that it is panning out so badly (as remainders predicted, and as brexiteer said would be no problem).
///ajd said:
The article is worth reading in total - it covers the drivers for many of the predictable responses above, and the reluctance to change, and it covers the apparent lack of swing too.
The fact it generated so much triggering is interesting - perhaps some recognise themselves but are still in denial.
There is also the “should we let new facts enter the debate or just stubbornly stick to the result”. It is the stubbornly stick answer I find most wanting, especially when so many brexiteers are angry that it is panning out so badly (as remainders predicted, and as brexiteer said would be no problem).
Which “brexiteers” are angry? The fact it generated so much triggering is interesting - perhaps some recognise themselves but are still in denial.
There is also the “should we let new facts enter the debate or just stubbornly stick to the result”. It is the stubbornly stick answer I find most wanting, especially when so many brexiteers are angry that it is panning out so badly (as remainders predicted, and as brexiteer said would be no problem).
///ajd said:
The article is worth reading in total - it covers the drivers for many of the predictable responses above, and the reluctance to change, and it covers the apparent lack of swing too.
The fact it generated so much triggering is interesting - perhaps some recognise themselves but are still in denial.
There is also the “should we let new facts enter the debate or just stubbornly stick to the result”. It is the stubbornly stick answer I find most wanting, especially when so many brexiteers are angry that it is panning out so badly (as remainders predicted, and as brexiteer said would be no problem).
It appears the answer to my question is yes! How long do you think you'll be in denial ///adj?The fact it generated so much triggering is interesting - perhaps some recognise themselves but are still in denial.
There is also the “should we let new facts enter the debate or just stubbornly stick to the result”. It is the stubbornly stick answer I find most wanting, especially when so many brexiteers are angry that it is panning out so badly (as remainders predicted, and as brexiteer said would be no problem).
///ajd said:
The article is worth reading in total - it covers the drivers for many of the predictable responses above, and the reluctance to change, and it covers the apparent lack of swing too.
The fact it generated so much triggering is interesting - perhaps some recognise themselves but are still in denial.
There is also the “should we let new facts enter the debate or just stubbornly stick to the result”. It is the stubbornly stick answer I find most wanting, especially when so many brexiteers are angry that it is panning out so badly (as remainders predicted, and as brexiteer said would be no problem).
We haven't left yet and even if the initial deal isn't great we have still left the EUSSR and a future government with a spine can renegotiate the initial deal , I don't care what the deal is as long as we can control our immigration and do trade deals and they arnt stupid enough to spray money at the EU in a vain effort to appease the s...The fact it generated so much triggering is interesting - perhaps some recognise themselves but are still in denial.
There is also the “should we let new facts enter the debate or just stubbornly stick to the result”. It is the stubbornly stick answer I find most wanting, especially when so many brexiteers are angry that it is panning out so badly (as remainders predicted, and as brexiteer said would be no problem).
Edited by powerstroke on Saturday 25th November 12:24
It is not to be in denial to say:
- we’re heading for Brexit
- it is causing massive damage
- there is no promised magic deal - all lies
This is commenting on reality. I think on the basis of this mess there should be some consideration to what is in our best interests.
Those I feel in denial are those pretending it is all fine, just what we expected, this is all terrific let’s press on because we voted. And we can blame the EU anyway. People blaming the EU for this being a mess are in denial.
- we’re heading for Brexit
- it is causing massive damage
- there is no promised magic deal - all lies
This is commenting on reality. I think on the basis of this mess there should be some consideration to what is in our best interests.
Those I feel in denial are those pretending it is all fine, just what we expected, this is all terrific let’s press on because we voted. And we can blame the EU anyway. People blaming the EU for this being a mess are in denial.
///ajd said:
It is not to be in denial to say:
- we’re heading for Brexit
- it is causing massive damage
- there is no promised magic deal - all lies
This is commenting on reality. I think on the basis of this mess there should be some consideration to what is in our best interests.
Those I feel in denial are those pretending it is all fine, just what we expected, this is all terrific let’s press on because we voted. And we can blame the EU anyway. People blaming the EU for this being a mess are in denial.
I would stay in the house and pray your roof doesn't fall in - we’re heading for Brexit
- it is causing massive damage
- there is no promised magic deal - all lies
This is commenting on reality. I think on the basis of this mess there should be some consideration to what is in our best interests.
Those I feel in denial are those pretending it is all fine, just what we expected, this is all terrific let’s press on because we voted. And we can blame the EU anyway. People blaming the EU for this being a mess are in denial.
WE ARE NOT IN A MESS !!! you are !!!
768 said:
Of course there's no deal, it's not the end of the negotiation period. No one promised a deal by this point. No one promised a deal at any point, did they?
1. We are still within the negotiation period with the EU. It was to be expected that this would go down to the wire.2. We are currently unable to negotiate with countries outside of the EU.
Yet ///adj appears to be surprised by the above!
powerstroke said:
I would stay in the house and pray your roof doesn't fall in
WE ARE NOT IN A MESS !!! you are !!!
if you feel the need to be depressed just read his posts I don't know how he gets out of bed in the morning.WE ARE NOT IN A MESS !!! you are !!!
He is good a pointing fingers and asking question but not so good at answering his own questions.
Fishing fans bashing the keyboard in CAPS seem quite angry.
Sid appears to be saying it is all going well, no problem.
I chalk that up as denial given what a mess the talks are in.
£40Bn coughed up so far, and not even a workable Ireland solution yet tabled, let alone agreed.
Only just over a year to go. No transition deal, which will start to bite come 2018.
Let’s see what Santa brings, but I’m not sure the Tories have been good enough children!
Some used to say we can easy do a trade deal in 2 years. So far after coming up to a year we have not even decided whether to start talking about one. Wheel out the comical Ali sentiment all you like, it’s just denial.
Sid appears to be saying it is all going well, no problem.
I chalk that up as denial given what a mess the talks are in.
£40Bn coughed up so far, and not even a workable Ireland solution yet tabled, let alone agreed.
Only just over a year to go. No transition deal, which will start to bite come 2018.
Let’s see what Santa brings, but I’m not sure the Tories have been good enough children!
Some used to say we can easy do a trade deal in 2 years. So far after coming up to a year we have not even decided whether to start talking about one. Wheel out the comical Ali sentiment all you like, it’s just denial.
///ajd said:
Fishing fans bashing the keyboard in CAPS seem quite angry.
Sid appears to be saying it is all going well, no problem.
You'll have to provide the quote where I said that, as I don't believe I said any such thing. I said that things were progressing as expected. You do understand the difference? Otherwise, why are you deliberately lying?Sid appears to be saying it is all going well, no problem.
///ajd said:
I chalk that up as denial given what a mess the talks are in.
Where does your inside knowledge on the talks come from?///ajd said:
£40Bn coughed up so far, and not even a workable Ireland solution yet tabled, let alone agreed.
Only just over a year to go. No transition deal, which will start to bite come 2018.
Let’s see what Santa brings, but I’m not sure the Tories have been good enough children!
Some used to say we can easy do a trade deal in 2 years. So far after coming up to a year we have not even decided whether to start talking about one. Wheel out the comical Ali sentiment all you like, it’s just denial.
"We", as in the EU? Only just over a year to go. No transition deal, which will start to bite come 2018.
Let’s see what Santa brings, but I’m not sure the Tories have been good enough children!
Some used to say we can easy do a trade deal in 2 years. So far after coming up to a year we have not even decided whether to start talking about one. Wheel out the comical Ali sentiment all you like, it’s just denial.
sidicks said:
1. We are still within the negotiation period with the EU. It was to be expected that this would go down to the wire.
2. We are currently unable to negotiate with countries outside of the EU.
Yet ///adj appears to be surprised by the above!
So the talks are going well, as planned Sid? 2. We are currently unable to negotiate with countries outside of the EU.
Yet ///adj appears to be surprised by the above!
“It was to be expected”
So all OK, Yes or No.
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