Discussion
grumbledoak said:
eharding said:
I grant you that the EU isn't perfect - far from it - but it now appears they're the only game in town prepared to counter Putin's imperial ambitions.
I would argue that Russia is the only game in town prepared to counter the EU's imperial ambitions.Yes, the EU is hideously flawed, but if you are really cheerleading Putin over the EU, then have a word with yourself.
The people of Europe have never really been asked. When they have they've usually said No, only to be asked again and again or have it pushed through anyway.
I suspect it will fall apart of its own accord over the next few years anyway as voters do get their say.
I'm not talking about "stabbing them in the eye" but being ready to do bilateral trade deals with other countries looking to leave, and encouraging those countries that do look to leave to be democratic and outward looking if and where there's a danger it may not be.
I suspect it will fall apart of its own accord over the next few years anyway as voters do get their say.
I'm not talking about "stabbing them in the eye" but being ready to do bilateral trade deals with other countries looking to leave, and encouraging those countries that do look to leave to be democratic and outward looking if and where there's a danger it may not be.
gooner1 said:
eharding said:
amgmcqueen said:
Why does a trading block need a 'super army' when NATO exists? Why would the USA allow the formation of another military superpower?
Well, as it stands it appears Trump is set on withdrawing from NATO, and embarking on a US isolationist policy. If he's intent on letting Western Europe fend for itself, you can't complain when they set about doing so.amgmcqueen said:
Why is it needed?! The people of Europe do not want a f
king EU army!
Who exactly elected you as the arbiter of what the people of Europe want?king EU army! All well and good, but the formation of anEU army was proposed long before Trump won the American election.
grumbledoak said:
eharding said:
I grant you that the EU isn't perfect - far from it - but it now appears they're the only game in town prepared to counter Putin's imperial ambitions.
I would argue that Russia is the only game in town prepared to counter the EU's imperial ambitions.SKP555 said:
The people of Europe have never really been asked. When they have they've usually said No, only to be asked again and again or have it pushed through anyway.
I suspect it will fall apart of its own accord over the next few years anyway as voters do get their say.
I'm not talking about "stabbing them in the eye" but being ready to do bilateral trade deals with other countries looking to leave, and encouraging those countries that do look to leave to be democratic and outward looking if and where there's a danger it may not be.
This isn't about trade deals, this is about Russia's ambitions for political hegemony in what they regard as their sphere of influence. How far west do you think that should extend?I suspect it will fall apart of its own accord over the next few years anyway as voters do get their say.
I'm not talking about "stabbing them in the eye" but being ready to do bilateral trade deals with other countries looking to leave, and encouraging those countries that do look to leave to be democratic and outward looking if and where there's a danger it may not be.
eharding said:
SKP555 said:
The people of Europe have never really been asked. When they have they've usually said No, only to be asked again and again or have it pushed through anyway.
I suspect it will fall apart of its own accord over the next few years anyway as voters do get their say.
I'm not talking about "stabbing them in the eye" but being ready to do bilateral trade deals with other countries looking to leave, and encouraging those countries that do look to leave to be democratic and outward looking if and where there's a danger it may not be.
This isn't about trade deals, this is about Russia's ambitions for political hegemony in what they regard as their sphere of influence. How far west do you think that should extend?I suspect it will fall apart of its own accord over the next few years anyway as voters do get their say.
I'm not talking about "stabbing them in the eye" but being ready to do bilateral trade deals with other countries looking to leave, and encouraging those countries that do look to leave to be democratic and outward looking if and where there's a danger it may not be.
powerstroke said:
eharding said:
SKP555 said:
The people of Europe have never really been asked. When they have they've usually said No, only to be asked again and again or have it pushed through anyway.
I suspect it will fall apart of its own accord over the next few years anyway as voters do get their say.
I'm not talking about "stabbing them in the eye" but being ready to do bilateral trade deals with other countries looking to leave, and encouraging those countries that do look to leave to be democratic and outward looking if and where there's a danger it may not be.
This isn't about trade deals, this is about Russia's ambitions for political hegemony in what they regard as their sphere of influence. How far west do you think that should extend?I suspect it will fall apart of its own accord over the next few years anyway as voters do get their say.
I'm not talking about "stabbing them in the eye" but being ready to do bilateral trade deals with other countries looking to leave, and encouraging those countries that do look to leave to be democratic and outward looking if and where there's a danger it may not be.
amgmcqueen said:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3927048/An...
Juncker is continuing his obsession with creating an EU army and I find it equally worrying as it is bizarre?
Why does a trading block need a 'super army' when NATO exists? Why would the USA allow the formation of another military superpower? If it gets too big who do they have to answer too? Are they seriously thinking of taking on Russia to fulfil their desire to annex Ukraine under the wonderful EU umbrella?
I must say after past history the thought of having a huge expanded army across Europe controlled by what is essentially a dictatorship is really rather alarming?!
Why is it needed?! The people of Europe do not want a fking EU army!
The EU isn't a trading block. Juncker is continuing his obsession with creating an EU army and I find it equally worrying as it is bizarre?
Why does a trading block need a 'super army' when NATO exists? Why would the USA allow the formation of another military superpower? If it gets too big who do they have to answer too? Are they seriously thinking of taking on Russia to fulfil their desire to annex Ukraine under the wonderful EU umbrella?
I must say after past history the thought of having a huge expanded army across Europe controlled by what is essentially a dictatorship is really rather alarming?!
Why is it needed?! The people of Europe do not want a f
king EU army! It was never intended to be a trading block.
EU = European Union
Ted Heath lied to us when he took us into the EEC in 1973.
Why people still believe his lies is a complete mystery.
don4l said:
amgmcqueen said:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3927048/An...
Juncker is continuing his obsession with creating an EU army and I find it equally worrying as it is bizarre?
Why does a trading block need a 'super army' when NATO exists? Why would the USA allow the formation of another military superpower? If it gets too big who do they have to answer too? Are they seriously thinking of taking on Russia to fulfil their desire to annex Ukraine under the wonderful EU umbrella?
I must say after past history the thought of having a huge expanded army across Europe controlled by what is essentially a dictatorship is really rather alarming?!
Why is it needed?! The people of Europe do not want a fking EU army!
The EU isn't a trading block. Juncker is continuing his obsession with creating an EU army and I find it equally worrying as it is bizarre?
Why does a trading block need a 'super army' when NATO exists? Why would the USA allow the formation of another military superpower? If it gets too big who do they have to answer too? Are they seriously thinking of taking on Russia to fulfil their desire to annex Ukraine under the wonderful EU umbrella?
I must say after past history the thought of having a huge expanded army across Europe controlled by what is essentially a dictatorship is really rather alarming?!
Why is it needed?! The people of Europe do not want a f
king EU army! It was never intended to be a trading block.
EU = European Union
Ted Heath lied to us when he took us into the EEC in 1973.
Why people still believe his lies is a complete mystery.
k ups over the years but people get annoyed with the individual rather than the party itself.Odd.
Unlike Labour and Immigration, Labour and War in Iraq etc...
eharding said:
SKP555 said:
It's almost like the EU is about more than trade and has political ambitions. I'll tell you what, we should have some sort of a referendum to see if people really want this or would prefer Britain to exit.
We did.We quit. We left. We flounced.
Hence, it's rather odd for the 'kippers to start whining about the EU wanting to get collectively and coherently weaponed-up. Who can blame them?
I voted Leave and I would be very happy to see the EU have an army.
In fact, the problem is that most EU members do not spend enough on defence.
If Britain and France had not cut military spending in the 1930s, then WW2 would never have happened.
MarshPhantom said:
Seems to me the Tories have made some major fk ups over the years but people get annoyed with the individual rather than the party itself.
Odd.
Unlike Labour and Immigration, Labour and War in Iraq etc...
The word is some !!! Labour is one big fk ups over the years but people get annoyed with the individual rather than the party itself.Odd.
Unlike Labour and Immigration, Labour and War in Iraq etc...
k up !! for instance have they ever held office and not fked up the economy ???JawKnee said:
eharding said:
amgmcqueen said:
Why is it needed?! The people of Europe do not want a fking EU army!
Who exactly elected you as the arbiter of what the people of Europe want?king EU army! king concerned about an EU army being formed then maybe he should have thought about that when deciding to give up this country's EU veto.We are still a member of the EU, and even once we invoke A50 we will continue to be a member for at least two years as a minimum.
The EU will ignore the veto even if triggered,and have said as such even when the UK said they would veto the plan, so it shows just how corrupt the EU is, and further demonstrates why the vote to leave was very much the correct decision.
No doubt you will say it's no surprise the EU will ignore something agreed with the UK, as the UK had the temerity to vote to leave a failing and corrupt organisation, but that shows you up for the sort of person you are, rather than a condemnation of the person asking why a EU army is needed, or whether the people of the EU countries asked for it.
JawKnee said:
SKP555 said:
Well I can certainly dislike the idea of a big EU dictatorship with an army, and presumably France's nukes. And I can blame them.
IMO post Brexit Britain should be doing everything it can to break the EU apart.
Why? If the people of Europe want to be united then who are we or anyone else to stop them?IMO post Brexit Britain should be doing everything it can to break the EU apart.
It is no longer any of our business. We are Leaving.
We should mind our own business and allow them to carry on on the path to self destruction.
don4l said:
Are kippers whining about the EU forming an army?
I voted Leave and I would be very happy to see the EU have an army.
I refer you to you the OP, amgmcqueen. I voted Leave and I would be very happy to see the EU have an army.
If it looks like a 'kipper, sounds like 'kipper and walks like a 'kipper, it's probably a 'kipper. I might be wrong though, I grant you. He could be a LibDem with Tourette's Syndrome..
don4l said:
amgmcqueen said:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3927048/An...
Juncker is continuing his obsession with creating an EU army and I find it equally worrying as it is bizarre?
Why does a trading block need a 'super army' when NATO exists? Why would the USA allow the formation of another military superpower? If it gets too big who do they have to answer too? Are they seriously thinking of taking on Russia to fulfil their desire to annex Ukraine under the wonderful EU umbrella?
I must say after past history the thought of having a huge expanded army across Europe controlled by what is essentially a dictatorship is really rather alarming?!
Why is it needed?! The people of Europe do not want a fking EU army!
The EU isn't a trading block. Juncker is continuing his obsession with creating an EU army and I find it equally worrying as it is bizarre?
Why does a trading block need a 'super army' when NATO exists? Why would the USA allow the formation of another military superpower? If it gets too big who do they have to answer too? Are they seriously thinking of taking on Russia to fulfil their desire to annex Ukraine under the wonderful EU umbrella?
I must say after past history the thought of having a huge expanded army across Europe controlled by what is essentially a dictatorship is really rather alarming?!
Why is it needed?! The people of Europe do not want a f
king EU army! It was never intended to be a trading block.
EU = European Union
Ted Heath lied to us when he took us into the EEC in 1973.
Why people still believe his lies is a complete mystery.
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