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steveT350C said:
voyds9 said:
Hayek said:
Are they going to use this European defence force to stop people crossing the Med?
No, but they will help ensure their safety as they cross.Once you let 1 in .... 1,000,000 will follow
We were told during the referendum campaign this wasn’t remotely on the cards. Hope the UK gets an orderly exit and stops vetoing this it will no longer be resented as The blocker of a full federal union which seems to be the ultimate aim From the “founding fathers and mothers”
It will be interesting given the deliberate pivot of the US towards the Pacific in the last 4yrs and NK threat.
How does this work with NATO?
How are decisions on deployment made- qualified majority votes?
Russia?
How do they overcome recent European history if they go full Defence force e.g. polish regiment under the command of a German general etc. These things matter to people...
It might end up being a good thing for the EU but playing soldiers on a grand scale with 27 countries involved...Fascinating to see how it all works out, personal view is we’re probably best out of their way on this.
It will be interesting given the deliberate pivot of the US towards the Pacific in the last 4yrs and NK threat.
How does this work with NATO?
How are decisions on deployment made- qualified majority votes?
Russia?
How do they overcome recent European history if they go full Defence force e.g. polish regiment under the command of a German general etc. These things matter to people...
It might end up being a good thing for the EU but playing soldiers on a grand scale with 27 countries involved...Fascinating to see how it all works out, personal view is we’re probably best out of their way on this.
The US will soon let the EU get on with the defence of their eastern border(s), partly due to attention going to the Pacific and partly due to European members' continued refusal to adhere to the NATO defence investment requirements. Druncker last month claiming that members need only spend half the mandatory NATO level shows what a complete idiot he is and the level of contempt and appreciation he hold for the US and UK.
I understand Euro wanting a “joint task force” to address common issues but an euro army to replace national armies will never happen. Too much at stake, for one each country sovereignty and deep rooted military traditions. I will never vote in favour of losing that. The EU as a trade bloc is fine. It has evolved to become a federal state with centralised control. It has already managed to do so by holding the poor states under a cloud of financial blackmail. Greece is done for a good 50-100 years, Portugal, Spain will follow. Then at their mercy we will loose any ability of independent decisions. One could say those countries were reckless and had lots of funds and I agree in part but being part of the euro took all financial control out and made their economy not able to compete with he richer countries. I feel the poorer countries were misold PPI or credit.
This will turn into a federal state without an army or fighting. It was a brilliant master stroke. UK will have some tough times ahead but I still believe being out is going to be better in the long term.
EU are already showing their true face, I think they are treating the UK quite badly, want a massive payout but not willing to give anything at all. If we agree to a massive divorce bill we seem to only be getting a guarantee that they will talk about a better trade deal. I doubt this will happen. We are properly screwed by EU but still... better of and independent of the federal state.
This will turn into a federal state without an army or fighting. It was a brilliant master stroke. UK will have some tough times ahead but I still believe being out is going to be better in the long term.
EU are already showing their true face, I think they are treating the UK quite badly, want a massive payout but not willing to give anything at all. If we agree to a massive divorce bill we seem to only be getting a guarantee that they will talk about a better trade deal. I doubt this will happen. We are properly screwed by EU but still... better of and independent of the federal state.
Frougal_Mcdougal said:
How are decisions on deployment made- qualified majority votes?
Russia?
How do they overcome recent European history if they go full Defence force e.g. polish regiment under the command of a German general etc. These things matter to people...
It might end up being a good thing for the EU but playing soldiers on a grand scale with 27 countries involved...Fascinating to see how it all works out, personal view is we’re probably best out of their way on this.
I was reading recently about an American lead proposal in the middle east (can't remember where) for some kind of unified security project. EUPOL wanted to be involved. Fine everyone thought, that will help find the $5 million budget. EUPOL pondered for 6 weeks, then explained the delay as being due to getting so many countries to agree but announced that they were happy to participate and would contribute $2000. Russia?
How do they overcome recent European history if they go full Defence force e.g. polish regiment under the command of a German general etc. These things matter to people...
It might end up being a good thing for the EU but playing soldiers on a grand scale with 27 countries involved...Fascinating to see how it all works out, personal view is we’re probably best out of their way on this.
I think the difficulty of any military initiative relying on agreement among 27 countries is possibly the point. When someone points out the problem Juncker can say 'you're quite right, we need someone at the top of the EU with power to make decisions over the heads of national governments'.
oilbethere said:
Good luck to them when they are fighting Russia, China, Iran and North Korea. We really do need to keep out of this but sadly we'll be dragged into it.
EU after the poisoning; 'It's nothing to do with us, but we'll stand together with UK and expel diplomats, out of solidarity'.Spirit of Chamberlain; 'It's nothing to do with us, We really need to keep out of this'.
So predictable.
jjlynn27 said:
EU after the poisoning; 'It's nothing to do with us, but we'll stand together with UK and expel diplomats, out of solidarity'.
Spirit of Chamberlain; 'It's nothing to do with us, We really need to keep out of this'.
So predictable.
Absolutely. Utterly pathetic comments by some Leavers really. Great Britain would have been destroyed had it not been for the USA in WW2. Fact. Spirit of Chamberlain; 'It's nothing to do with us, We really need to keep out of this'.
So predictable.
Isolationism in all things is retarded in this Age. The EU have the correct idea, together in a common ideology is the way forward; a Federal EU with a common Army while retaining individual country / state military identities but working for all is where I'd want it to go. Obviously, we'll bail out and help the poor Little Britain's if they get themselves in a mess, so I guess they can keep going on their isolationist agenda.
Coolbanana said:
Absolutely. Utterly pathetic comments by some Leavers really. Great Britain would have been destroyed had it not been for the USA in WW2. Fact.
you do post some drivel on here - this is better than most. The biggest helper in WWII was the Russians (and the Russian winter) and for you to not even mention that is quite shameful. I do love the US but even I'll admit that the US made their terms for help more than favourable to themselves so please do not think it was done for kindness sake
Coolbanana said:
Absolutely. Utterly pathetic comments by some Leavers really. Great Britain would have been destroyed had it not been for the USA in WW2. Fact.
Isolationism in all things is retarded in this Age. The EU have the correct idea, together in a common ideology is the way forward; a Federal EU with a common Army while retaining individual country / state military identities but working for all is where I'd want it to go. Obviously, we'll bail out and help the poor Little Britain's if they get themselves in a mess, so I guess they can keep going on their isolationist agenda.
The UK is practically the only European country that meets it's NATO commitments, hardly isolationist.Isolationism in all things is retarded in this Age. The EU have the correct idea, together in a common ideology is the way forward; a Federal EU with a common Army while retaining individual country / state military identities but working for all is where I'd want it to go. Obviously, we'll bail out and help the poor Little Britain's if they get themselves in a mess, so I guess they can keep going on their isolationist agenda.
I know this is a year old now but what was this all about?
Sweden and Finland could be set to snub the European Union (EU) army and instead join the British-led Joint Expeditionary Force (JEF) after receiving an invite to the alliance.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/763774/Joint-Exp...
Sweden and Finland could be set to snub the European Union (EU) army and instead join the British-led Joint Expeditionary Force (JEF) after receiving an invite to the alliance.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/763774/Joint-Exp...
Solutions to moving military assets across Europe?
Why has this not been thought of before?!
Abhrams & Paladin in Poland.
Weight limits for infrastructure.
Its almost as if tanks fitting under railway bridges is considered during the design phase.
Damn the EU perpetuating/updating something practical and logical. They should stick to making passports a colour that makes gammon puke!
Why has this not been thought of before?!
Abhrams & Paladin in Poland.
Weight limits for infrastructure.
Its almost as if tanks fitting under railway bridges is considered during the design phase.
Damn the EU perpetuating/updating something practical and logical. They should stick to making passports a colour that makes gammon puke!
jjlynn27 said:
Dr Jekyll said:
The UK is practically the only European country that meets it's NATO commitments, hardly isolationist.
No, it's not. Outright fabrication. 
Where will the money come from?
Germany and France will have to stump up proportionally more than say Greece as it is broke.
Will the eastern part of the community become a sort of buffer zone,and be the focus of Putin?
Will they be able to come to an agreement on who runs the super army/navy/air force? Or will it be a case of 'we paid in more so we get to run it' situation?
Once Trump thinks he does not need to waste US dollars on Europe he will withdraw and only have a presence on the continent.
Given the community's history on agreeing on various issues over the years this could be the straw that breaks the camel's back.
The UK may not be part of this s
tshow but have no doubt,we will be drawn into it.
I have family and do not want them put in danger purely because of these clowns being involved in a power struggle and forgetting the original focus of a united Europe.
Germany and France will have to stump up proportionally more than say Greece as it is broke.
Will the eastern part of the community become a sort of buffer zone,and be the focus of Putin?
Will they be able to come to an agreement on who runs the super army/navy/air force? Or will it be a case of 'we paid in more so we get to run it' situation?
Once Trump thinks he does not need to waste US dollars on Europe he will withdraw and only have a presence on the continent.
Given the community's history on agreeing on various issues over the years this could be the straw that breaks the camel's back.
The UK may not be part of this s
tshow but have no doubt,we will be drawn into it.I have family and do not want them put in danger purely because of these clowns being involved in a power struggle and forgetting the original focus of a united Europe.
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