Man killed because his cruise control wouldn't switch off!
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AJL308 said:
Shaw Tarse said:
AJL308 said:
It says the accelerator pedal was depressed. The cruise control could have been responsible for that.
Does cruise move the pedal?I had a Skoda Octavia (mk2) with cruise that certainly did not do that, going off the article I assume he was driving the Octavia mk3.
John145 said:
2 different flexray signals from 2 different ECUs, one is throttle pedal position and other is DAS engine torque demand. The two are calculated from different places and one does not effect the other.
That's the technical description for my layman's logic. 
AJL308 said:
It says the accelerator pedal was depressed. The cruise control could have been responsible for that.
Depends on how it's being recorded, surely? If it was taking the information from the throttle pedal that suggests the actual pedal was depressed, if it was taking it from the data being sent from the cruise control TO the engine then it could be the pedal or the cruise system. Article suggests it was a manual which makes it more bizaare, I could understand being asleep and waking up, panicking and pressing the wroing pedal for a few seconds, but 8 minutes of being in the car and awake surely the panic would subside a little bit and rational thoughts would creep in.Andehh said:
AJL308 said:
Shaw Tarse said:
AJL308 said:
It says the accelerator pedal was depressed. The cruise control could have been responsible for that.
Does cruise move the pedal?I had a Skoda Octavia (mk2) with cruise that certainly did not do that, going off the article I assume he was driving the Octavia mk3.
menguin said:
AJL308 said:
Andehh said:
Last 1/3 of the article says it all. He had the accelerator peddle depressed...
[quote]The inquest heard that the main car part that recorded the data was destroyed in the collision, but it had fed the information to the vehicle's airbag system.
That data revealed the Skoda was travelling at 116mph with the accelerator pedal fully depressed five seconds before the crash.
No braking was recorded, but there was evidence of small steering left and right as dashcam footage from Mr Hague's HGV showed the car veering from the middle lane into nearside lane, where the motorway merged with A40.
The car continued to accelerate and hit a top speed of 119mph with the accelerator pedal pressed two-thirds of the way down, two seconds before the impact at 94mph when it was fully off, the inquest heard.
Mr Clatworthy said: "There is no indication that there was any error or problem with any of the electronic systems of the car in the five seconds leading up to the collision."
[quote]The inquest heard that the main car part that recorded the data was destroyed in the collision, but it had fed the information to the vehicle's airbag system.
That data revealed the Skoda was travelling at 116mph with the accelerator pedal fully depressed five seconds before the crash.
No braking was recorded, but there was evidence of small steering left and right as dashcam footage from Mr Hague's HGV showed the car veering from the middle lane into nearside lane, where the motorway merged with A40.
The car continued to accelerate and hit a top speed of 119mph with the accelerator pedal pressed two-thirds of the way down, two seconds before the impact at 94mph when it was fully off, the inquest heard.
Mr Clatworthy said: "There is no indication that there was any error or problem with any of the electronic systems of the car in the five seconds leading up to the collision."
AJL308 said:
menguin said:
AJL308 said:
Andehh said:
Last 1/3 of the article says it all. He had the accelerator peddle depressed...
[quote]The inquest heard that the main car part that recorded the data was destroyed in the collision, but it had fed the information to the vehicle's airbag system.
That data revealed the Skoda was travelling at 116mph with the accelerator pedal fully depressed five seconds before the crash.
No braking was recorded, but there was evidence of small steering left and right as dashcam footage from Mr Hague's HGV showed the car veering from the middle lane into nearside lane, where the motorway merged with A40.
The car continued to accelerate and hit a top speed of 119mph with the accelerator pedal pressed two-thirds of the way down, two seconds before the impact at 94mph when it was fully off, the inquest heard.
Mr Clatworthy said: "There is no indication that there was any error or problem with any of the electronic systems of the car in the five seconds leading up to the collision."
[quote]The inquest heard that the main car part that recorded the data was destroyed in the collision, but it had fed the information to the vehicle's airbag system.
That data revealed the Skoda was travelling at 116mph with the accelerator pedal fully depressed five seconds before the crash.
No braking was recorded, but there was evidence of small steering left and right as dashcam footage from Mr Hague's HGV showed the car veering from the middle lane into nearside lane, where the motorway merged with A40.
The car continued to accelerate and hit a top speed of 119mph with the accelerator pedal pressed two-thirds of the way down, two seconds before the impact at 94mph when it was fully off, the inquest heard.
Mr Clatworthy said: "There is no indication that there was any error or problem with any of the electronic systems of the car in the five seconds leading up to the collision."
Just wondering - could it have been a diesel engine gone runaway?
Andehh said:
AJL308 said:
Shaw Tarse said:
AJL308 said:
It says the accelerator pedal was depressed. The cruise control could have been responsible for that.
Does cruise move the pedal?I had a Skoda Octavia (mk2) with cruise that certainly did not do that, going off the article I assume he was driving the Octavia mk3.
John145 said:
2 different flexray signals from 2 different ECUs, one is throttle pedal position and other is DAS engine torque demand. The two are calculated from different places and one does not effect the other.
That's the technical description for my layman's logic. rscott said:
AJL308 said:
menguin said:
AJL308 said:
Andehh said:
Last 1/3 of the article says it all. He had the accelerator peddle depressed...
[quote]The inquest heard that the main car part that recorded the data was destroyed in the collision, but it had fed the information to the vehicle's airbag system.
That data revealed the Skoda was travelling at 116mph with the accelerator pedal fully depressed five seconds before the crash.
No braking was recorded, but there was evidence of small steering left and right as dashcam footage from Mr Hague's HGV showed the car veering from the middle lane into nearside lane, where the motorway merged with A40.
The car continued to accelerate and hit a top speed of 119mph with the accelerator pedal pressed two-thirds of the way down, two seconds before the impact at 94mph when it was fully off, the inquest heard.
Mr Clatworthy said: "There is no indication that there was any error or problem with any of the electronic systems of the car in the five seconds leading up to the collision."
[quote]The inquest heard that the main car part that recorded the data was destroyed in the collision, but it had fed the information to the vehicle's airbag system.
That data revealed the Skoda was travelling at 116mph with the accelerator pedal fully depressed five seconds before the crash.
No braking was recorded, but there was evidence of small steering left and right as dashcam footage from Mr Hague's HGV showed the car veering from the middle lane into nearside lane, where the motorway merged with A40.
The car continued to accelerate and hit a top speed of 119mph with the accelerator pedal pressed two-thirds of the way down, two seconds before the impact at 94mph when it was fully off, the inquest heard.
Mr Clatworthy said: "There is no indication that there was any error or problem with any of the electronic systems of the car in the five seconds leading up to the collision."
Just wondering - could it have been a diesel engine gone runaway?
Again though, that in its self shouldn't prevent it being knocked out of gear.
Zod said:
I don't believe there is a single car on the market now or in the past thirty years on which the accelerator pedal is moved by the cruise control.
It does in my MK 3 Mondeo. On the petrol models that have a normal mechanical approach to throttle control then the cruise module pulls the throttle lever & that same lever then pulls on the throttle cable at the same time which means the pedal moves accordingly too. "The driver, whom the inquest heard was a car enthusiast"
..despite everything in the article suggesting the opposite. Amongst other things:
Drives slow Skoda
In white
Doesn't know how it works
Can't navigate a straight bit of motorway at 3am
Self confessed MLM
Presses accelerator to try and slow down
Doesn't brake to try and slow down
Suicide or Darwin.
..despite everything in the article suggesting the opposite. Amongst other things:
Drives slow Skoda
In white
Doesn't know how it works
Can't navigate a straight bit of motorway at 3am
Self confessed MLM
Presses accelerator to try and slow down
Doesn't brake to try and slow down
Suicide or Darwin.
Andehh said:
Fair enough moment of panic, but over 8 minutes someone couldn't have stated the bleedin' obviousl.....
My thoughts too. My car has no indication cruise is engaged and can give a momentary WTF as it ceases to slow down if you've driven above the set speed for a while and then slow down having forgotten to dis-engage it. But it is a moment - you realise straight-away.I assumed he'd be an old guy but he's 32 and said to be a car enthusiast. Wonder what he was doing out at 3AM? Obviously there's a number of perfectly valid reasons.
900T-R said:
Andehh said:
Even Automatics allow you to change into neutral at speed?
They do (says he, who accidentally knocked autobox Mercedes' with the column mounted gear selector into neutral when driving, more than once 
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