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Sheets Tabuer said:
A quick change of law could sort that
To Allow/permit/enable/conspire to commit FGM
Why the hell are they not taking the kids off these parents that want to butcher them?
Sickening.
Did you read the West Midlands Police article? They've taken out orders preventing some girls from being taken overseas for cutting - unless their actually cut or they get proof it was going to happen, I doubt social services have the authority to remove them.To Allow/permit/enable/conspire to commit FGM
Why the hell are they not taking the kids off these parents that want to butcher them?
Sickening.
it also mentions that CPS threw out 13 cases as having insufficient evidence.
XM5ER said:
herewego said:
If the law only says illegal to cut then the police have to find the actual perpetrator. If the law says illegal to permit then they should be able to prosecute the parents since they are responsible for safeguarding their kids.
Aiding and abetting?Child abuse/cruelty?
rscott said:
Did you read the West Midlands Police article? They've taken out orders preventing some girls from being taken overseas for cutting - unless their actually cut or they get proof it was going to happen, I doubt social services have the authority to remove them.
it also mentions that CPS threw out 13 cases as having insufficient evidence.
I would suggest having a child undergo FGM is evidence enough to prosecute the parent, what are they going to say my cousin took my child abroad and hacked them to pieces and I had no idea?it also mentions that CPS threw out 13 cases as having insufficient evidence.
All the evidence they need is the child with bits missing.
Isn't it a crime anyway to aid,abet,facilitate,etc another crime, without it having to be specifically written down? I don't know, can anyone here confirm?
Saw that midwife b
ks too(Mrs was watching,no way I want to) Apparently it's all cultural, not just the Muslims,and WE used to do it over here to so that makes it alright
Saw that midwife b
ks too(Mrs was watching,no way I want to) Apparently it's all cultural, not just the Muslims,and WE used to do it over here to so that makes it alrightSheets Tabuer said:
All the evidence they need is the child with bits missing.
You would think so. I believe the current legislation still includes the terms 'to aid, abet, counsel or procure' in relation to FGM, so surely a medical examination of any child in question is sufficient evidence that it has taken place?herewego said:
XM5ER said:
herewego said:
If the law only says illegal to cut then the police have to find the actual perpetrator. If the law says illegal to permit then they should be able to prosecute the parents since they are responsible for safeguarding their kids.
Aiding and abetting?Child abuse/cruelty?
kowalski655 said:
Saw that midwife bks too(Mrs was watching,no way I want to) Apparently it's all cultural, not just the Muslims,and WE used to do it over here to so that makes it alright
Saw that too...ks too(Mrs was watching,no way I want to) Apparently it's all cultural, not just the Muslims,and WE used to do it over here to so that makes it alrightI don't care if it's 'cultural' or not and neither should the law. The age of consent is 12 in the Philippines and Angola, so I would presume that it's 'culturally' acceptable to have sex with what we would consider to be minors in these countries. So would we apply the same 'look the other way' logic for child abuse offences committed by immigrants from these countries? Of course not, so why is it ok in regards to FGM?
Sheets Tabuer said:
rscott said:
Did you read the West Midlands Police article? They've taken out orders preventing some girls from being taken overseas for cutting - unless their actually cut or they get proof it was going to happen, I doubt social services have the authority to remove them.
it also mentions that CPS threw out 13 cases as having insufficient evidence.
I would suggest having a child undergo FGM is evidence enough to prosecute the parent, what are they going to say my cousin took my child abroad and hacked them to pieces and I had no idea?it also mentions that CPS threw out 13 cases as having insufficient evidence.
All the evidence they need is the child with bits missing.
I wish I had a solution how to deal with vermin.
blade runner said:
kowalski655 said:
Saw that midwife bks too(Mrs was watching,no way I want to) Apparently it's all cultural, not just the Muslims,and WE used to do it over here to so that makes it alright
Saw that too...ks too(Mrs was watching,no way I want to) Apparently it's all cultural, not just the Muslims,and WE used to do it over here to so that makes it alrightI don't care if it's 'cultural' or not and neither should the law. The age of consent is 12 in the Philippines and Angola, so I would presume that it's 'culturally' acceptable to have sex with what we would consider to be minors in these countries. So would we apply the same 'look the other way' logic for child abuse offences committed by immigrants from these countries? Of course not, so why is it ok in regards to FGM?
jjlynn27 said:
Sheets Tabuer said:
rscott said:
Did you read the West Midlands Police article? They've taken out orders preventing some girls from being taken overseas for cutting - unless their actually cut or they get proof it was going to happen, I doubt social services have the authority to remove them.
it also mentions that CPS threw out 13 cases as having insufficient evidence.
I would suggest having a child undergo FGM is evidence enough to prosecute the parent, what are they going to say my cousin took my child abroad and hacked them to pieces and I had no idea?it also mentions that CPS threw out 13 cases as having insufficient evidence.
All the evidence they need is the child with bits missing.
I wish I had a solution how to deal with vermin.
As for the children - is life in foster and care homes really better for them ?
Edited by del mar on Monday 27th February 17:14
Cotty said:
blade runner said:
kowalski655 said:
Saw that midwife bks too(Mrs was watching,no way I want to) Apparently it's all cultural, not just the Muslims,and WE used to do it over here to so that makes it alright
Saw that too...ks too(Mrs was watching,no way I want to) Apparently it's all cultural, not just the Muslims,and WE used to do it over here to so that makes it alrightI don't care if it's 'cultural' or not and neither should the law. The age of consent is 12 in the Philippines and Angola, so I would presume that it's 'culturally' acceptable to have sex with what we would consider to be minors in these countries. So would we apply the same 'look the other way' logic for child abuse offences committed by immigrants from these countries? Of course not, so why is it ok in regards to FGM?
And I think Blade Runner saw it,by commenting on what Call the Midwife(i.e. lefty PC BBC cobblers) preached.I am 100% with him:it doesnt matter what reason is given-cultural,religious,or just that you think your daughter's bits look prettier after taking a hacksaw to it, it is wrong,100% WRONG, and there is no reason not to prosecute parents for allowing it in this country or abroad.
How can the CPS/courts use the argument that sending parents to jail for this mutilation is not in the interests of the kids....by that token you should not send ANYONE to jail if they have kids,after all the effects to them woudl be the same if dad was in nick for robbery(but the kid would have her bits intact!)
The idea of "checking" is a great one, but when you look at the logistics of that who do you check ?
There will be a cost, both time and money, so to mitigate the cost you limit the number of people you check.
It does not appear to be an issue in white girls so they are not checked - it instantly becomes a racists process.
Nor does it seem to be an issue in girls from the Far East so they are not checked - Indonesia perhaps.
Saying Asians wont work as it doesn't appear to be a Sikh or Hindu issue - which leaves Asian Muslims.
Blacks from the Caribbean wont be supportive as it doesn't appear to be an issue for them.
Which leaves Black Africans, even then Africa is split so we would focus on those in the MENA region - ie Mainly Muslim Countries.
So Muslims girls will be checked at school every June and September, which will go down like a cup of cold sick.
So I propose we continue doing what we have for the last 30 years....
There will be a cost, both time and money, so to mitigate the cost you limit the number of people you check.
It does not appear to be an issue in white girls so they are not checked - it instantly becomes a racists process.
Nor does it seem to be an issue in girls from the Far East so they are not checked - Indonesia perhaps.
Saying Asians wont work as it doesn't appear to be a Sikh or Hindu issue - which leaves Asian Muslims.
Blacks from the Caribbean wont be supportive as it doesn't appear to be an issue for them.
Which leaves Black Africans, even then Africa is split so we would focus on those in the MENA region - ie Mainly Muslim Countries.
So Muslims girls will be checked at school every June and September, which will go down like a cup of cold sick.
So I propose we continue doing what we have for the last 30 years....
del mar said:
The idea of "checking" is a great one, but when you look at the logistics of that who do you check ?
There will be a cost, both time and money, so to mitigate the cost you limit the number of people you check.
It does not appear to be an issue in white girls so they are not checked - it instantly becomes a racists process.
Nor does it seem to be an issue in girls from the Far East so they are not checked - Indonesia perhaps.
Saying Asians wont work as it doesn't appear to be a Sikh or Hindu issue - which leaves Asian Muslims.
Blacks from the Caribbean wont be supportive as it doesn't appear to be an issue for them.
Which leaves Black Africans, even then Africa is split so we would focus on those in the MENA region - ie Mainly Muslim Countries.
So Muslims girls will be checked at school every June and September, which will go down like a cup of cold sick.
So I propose we continue doing what we have for the last 30 years....
It's a mainly African issue - http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2016/02/fema... and occurs pretty much equally amongst Christians and Muslims in those countries. There will be a cost, both time and money, so to mitigate the cost you limit the number of people you check.
It does not appear to be an issue in white girls so they are not checked - it instantly becomes a racists process.
Nor does it seem to be an issue in girls from the Far East so they are not checked - Indonesia perhaps.
Saying Asians wont work as it doesn't appear to be a Sikh or Hindu issue - which leaves Asian Muslims.
Blacks from the Caribbean wont be supportive as it doesn't appear to be an issue for them.
Which leaves Black Africans, even then Africa is split so we would focus on those in the MENA region - ie Mainly Muslim Countries.
So Muslims girls will be checked at school every June and September, which will go down like a cup of cold sick.
So I propose we continue doing what we have for the last 30 years....
Eritrea & Ethiopia are majority Christian countries yet have the same or higher rates of FGM as neighbouring mainly Muslim states.
http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/20... sets a very clear case for it being an African, rather than religious, issue.
del mar said:
Are they unfit, or just culturally different from us are they bad parents ?
As for the children - is life in foster and care homes really better for them ?
As for the children - is life in foster and care homes really better for them ?
Edited by del mar on Monday 27th February 17:14
Not sure if serious. Any parent that facilitates non-medical intervention on their kids is unfit to be a parent. Yes, they would most definitely be better off without them.
dave_s13 said:
They are not the same
The circumcised male donger still works fine! I'm not some kind of lunatic that wants all baby boys to be snipped. I don't really care.
I do find FGM to be abhorrent however.
From what I understand from some programmes that the woman is not allowed to feel any pleasure being a taboo of some sort hence the point of removing the cl1t0ris but blocking the whole part up the man would be denying himself sex (crude I know).
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