FGM Parties

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TonyToniTone

2,627 posts

188 months

Tuesday 13th December 2016
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Maybe because the OP posted with glee rather any really concern for the people affected.

Liokault

1,900 posts

153 months

Tuesday 13th December 2016
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rscott said:
Liokault said:
This is crazy, they show a graph with high numbers detected (700 or so in brum) but the prosecution rate is more of less zero! Why isn't every single case discovered then prosecuted?

Well, I know that answer, as I guess we all do, but it still makes me angry.
Go on then - post the answer.
Political correctness + not wanting to be seen as racist. If this was a problem solely attributed to ex Cornish tin miners and their kids, the police would be all over this.

rscott

8,442 posts

130 months

Tuesday 13th December 2016
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Liokault said:
rscott said:
Liokault said:
This is crazy, they show a graph with high numbers detected (700 or so in brum) but the prosecution rate is more of less zero! Why isn't every single case discovered then prosecuted?

Well, I know that answer, as I guess we all do, but it still makes me angry.
Go on then - post the answer.
Political correctness + not wanting to be seen as racist. If this was a problem solely attributed to ex Cornish tin miners and their kids, the police would be all over this.
Personally, I'd go with this opinion below, rather than yours. How is it political correctness ?

La Liga said:
A lack of reporting.
- A lack of confidence by the relevant communities in the police.
- A following on from the above, a lack of information / intelligence coming to the police.
- A lack of experience within the police.
- A lack of experience within the NHS and other sectors (education / social / health etc).

The offence dates may also be relevant in terms of the data as someone has reported.

I think it's going to take a lot of work and time to get to a position where this becomes a near non-existent matter in the UK.

I am aware the Met have sent a few files to the CPS on the matter. The first questionable prosecution resulted in a Doctor being acquitted within 30 minutes of jury deliberation.

Liokault

1,900 posts

153 months

Tuesday 13th December 2016
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So google tells me that the prosecution numbers for FGM in the UK is either 1 or zero total cases. Something wrong there I think.

Rick101

5,697 posts

89 months

Tuesday 13th December 2016
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Liokault said:
Its not just Jews though is it? My partner is Canadian and catholic, she still thinks my uncut member is weird and would like our son to be done.
Will she do hers to match?
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Liokault

1,900 posts

153 months

Tuesday 13th December 2016
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rscott said:
Liokault said:
rscott said:
Liokault said:
This is crazy, they show a graph with high numbers detected (700 or so in brum) but the prosecution rate is more of less zero! Why isn't every single case discovered then prosecuted?

Well, I know that answer, as I guess we all do, but it still makes me angry.
Go on then - post the answer.
Political correctness + not wanting to be seen as racist. If this was a problem solely attributed to ex Cornish tin miners and their kids, the police would be all over this.
Personally, I'd go with this opinion below, rather than yours. How is it political correctness ?

La Liga said:
A lack of reporting.
- A lack of confidence by the relevant communities in the police.
- A following on from the above, a lack of information / intelligence coming to the police.
- A lack of experience within the police.
- A lack of experience within the NHS and other sectors (education / social / health etc).

The offence dates may also be relevant in terms of the data as someone has reported.

I think it's going to take a lot of work and time to get to a position where this becomes a near non-existent matter in the UK.

I am aware the Met have sent a few files to the CPS on the matter. The first questionable prosecution resulted in a Doctor being acquitted within 30 minutes of jury deliberation.
I think we can rule out lack of reporting as we can clearly see huge numbers detected by the NHS. why isn’t every one of those incidents (nearly 700 in Brum alone) a date in court? Again, PC is the only real answer.

rscott

8,442 posts

130 months

Tuesday 13th December 2016
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Liokault said:
I think we can rule out lack of reporting as we can clearly see huge numbers detected by the NHS. why isn’t every one of those incidents (nearly 700 in Brum alone) a date in court? Again, PC is the only real answer.
Or you could read the post made by Mr T earlier in this thread. Without knowing when/where these cases actually happened (all we know is where and when they were reported) we don't know how many possible prosecutions failed.

Mrr T said:
Actually I think I do know the answer smile.

You need to look at the Government NHS reporting requirements on FGM.

Doctors are now required to report any potential evidence of FGM on a patient no matter when it occurred. So if a Doctor examines a woman say in her 80 and there is some evidence but the injuries, if they are FGM, are from youth before she entered the UK, it still gets reported.

Not unnaturally there has been a sharp rise in reported cases.
Or this article - http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015/02/04/fgm-pol... .

The issue is proving who actually carried out the procedure. The Met offered a £10,000 reward in an attempt to get evidence for prosecutions and still failed. That doesn't seem like the police being 'politically correct'.

del mar

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2,838 posts

138 months

Tuesday 13th December 2016
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TonyToniTone said:
Absolutely disgusting and it certainly needs highlighting, even so one has to questions Del Mars motives.

Nothing posted in the Football abuse or Forest Hill train stabbing, if either of these were Muslim those threads would be on 50 pages.
Whoa...

At least let me say something before you have a go at me.

I posted it to point out the stupidity of people that we allow to migrate to our country. If we are going to open ourselves up to migration from certain countries then we should be fully aware of the problems and cultural differences that they may bring. If we are fully aware and happy that we can cope with them then so be it. In reality we don't / daren't ask these questions, so why are we shocked that this goes on.

Football abuse - all abuse is atrocious, my issue was always that there are certain aspects of it we can't talk about. We can openly say and discuss abuse by football coaches and if the Independent Report into Abuse ever actually gets going, sports clubs coaches will be one of the topics that is mentioned, along with police, MP's, Westminster catholic, etc. There are certain words that they report doesn't mention.

Have just looked up the train incident.
Interesting one, puts the shoe on the other foot for a change. Probably a lone wolf with mental health issues.

SKP555

1,114 posts

65 months

Tuesday 13th December 2016
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It can't be not wanting to offend Muslims. After all lessons were learned after they failed to prosecute Muslims due to fear of offending after systematic child abuse, racial profiling, forced marriage, honour killings and radicalisation in schools, didn't we?

Liokault

1,900 posts

153 months

Tuesday 13th December 2016
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And yet, with a suspected FGM incidence of 137k (according to google) in the UK, there are still zero prosecutions (leaving out the doctor that put the stich in the wrong place, which was a marginal case at best).


Someone isn’t trying very hard here. You might think it’s under reporting etc etc, but this is way way to big for that to be the whole answer.

We have already seen that the police and social services are more than willing to avoid massive cases of abuse if it also helps them avoid being called racist...I think, I have no evidence, but I think the two are not un connected.

Liokault

1,900 posts

153 months

Tuesday 13th December 2016
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SKP555 said:
It can't be not wanting to offend Muslims. After all lessons were learned after they failed to prosecute Muslims due to fear of offending after systematic child abuse, racial profiling, forced marriage, honour killings and radicalisation in schools, didn't we?
Its not a Muslim thing, I think that most of this will be African and largly Christian.


thetoxicnerve

20,852 posts

116 months

Tuesday 13th December 2016
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La Liga said:
A lack of reporting.
Who would report it?

The victims themselves? Because, surely no one else privy to the activity is going to. Do the victims even see themselves as such?

SKP555

1,114 posts

65 months

Tuesday 13th December 2016
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Liokault said:
Its not a Muslim thing, I think that most of this will be African and largly Christian
That's the BBC view. Wikipedia seems to think otherwise

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_on...

It definitely happens amongst non Muslims but the link is a bit deeper than simply a local custom in parts of Africa.

pork911

5,276 posts

122 months

Tuesday 13th December 2016
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StottyEvo said:
thetoxicnerve said:
pork911 said:
But cutting baby dicks is fine.
Indeed but heaven forbid anyone criticise this practice and therefore, by associations, Jews.
To be fair, I'm not a fan of neither but circumcising doesn't cause much harm (arguably none at all) FGM clearly causes lots and lots of harm.

I think you're both aware of this though, so I'm not sure why you're making the point.
You'll be fully aware of what the legislation covers, that but for inclusion of 'female' it would absolutely cover cutting baby dicks and the lack of any valid reason why it doesn't.

gruffalo

5,908 posts

165 months

Tuesday 13th December 2016
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If there is evidence of FGM on a girl under 18 years old could the parents not be prosecuted for some for of neglect?


Liokault

1,900 posts

153 months

Tuesday 13th December 2016
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gruffalo said:
If there is evidence of FGM on a girl under 18 years old could the parents not be prosecuted for some for of neglect?
Clearly, they could be prosecuted for something, probably worse than neglect. The question is why zero cases in court right now.

thetoxicnerve

20,852 posts

116 months

Tuesday 13th December 2016
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As I said, who would report the crime in the first place in order for a prosecution to be brought?

Unless there's some kind of sequela as a result of the FGM, it probably wouldn't be even be picked up by GPs etc.

SKP555

1,114 posts

65 months

Tuesday 13th December 2016
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thetoxicnerve said:
As I said, who would report the crime in the first place in order for a prosecution to be brought?

Unless there's some kind of sequela as a result of the FGM, it probably wouldn't be even be picked up by GPs etc.
According to the BBC figures quoted by Toni above there are at least 3000 known cases. How many of them have resulted in a prosecution?

Liokault

1,900 posts

153 months

Tuesday 13th December 2016
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thetoxicnerve said:
As I said, who would report the crime in the first place in order for a prosecution to be brought?

Unless there's some kind of sequela as a result of the FGM, it probably wouldn't be even be picked up by GPs etc.
And yet we see reported 5000 or so cases known by the NHS. The reported figures in the link on the OP are known cases by the NHS, ok, not all will be prosecutable, but zero? Really zero?

SKP555

1,114 posts

65 months

Tuesday 13th December 2016
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Though perhaps even more conspicuous than the lack of prosecutions is (as the OP mentions) the silence from BLM, feminists, the MCB and all the others who are so loud about the rights of minorities not to be ever criticised or questioned by the mainstream, when members of these minorities ride roughshod over the rights of women and infants within these "communities."