The economic consequences of Brexit (Vol 2)

[CaptainSlow]

Breadvan72 said:

Fear can be a motivator.

Too right, and the campaign that used that the most was pushing for Remain.

[Einion Yrth]

Eddie Strohacker said:

He did & it was a bigly fib. However, since we're comparing Gideon with Nigel (those pesky metropolitan elite type names again) it should be obvious to a fool in a hurry that only one of those two built their career appealing to the basest of base emotions.

You are presumably the "fool in a hurry" to whom you refer.

[Eddie Strohacker]

Einion Yrth said:

You are presumably the "fool in a hurry" to whom you refer.

You're going to have to put more effort in that that, you little tinker.

[Murph7355]

Breadvan72 said:

Pretty much that. ...
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Breadvan72 said:

...The Remain campaign was lacklustre. Weary realism is hard to sell. "The EU has many flaws but is better than the alternative" is not a sexy message. ...

You don't think "pretty much" what the earlier poster did at all. The above is why you think Remain lost - i.e. the "truth" was hard to take by those not voting the Remain way.

Not once do you acknowledge that their campaign was as full of deceit/lies/extensions of the truth/hyperbole/unsupportable opinion etc as Leave's. Or even included any of those things, looking at your posts. Then again, the Irish love a good yarn. You must have been on numerous dates with the Blarney Stone

Breadvan72 said:

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One of London's greatest failures is to fail to make the rest of the UK more like London....

Because, of course, Dublin is just like the rest of Ireland

Madrid/Spain? Paris/France?

(Germany and Italy have a bit more spread about them. But the majority of member states have capitals not very much like the rest of their nation too. So what).

Breadvan72 said:

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Also, the UK feels old and tired, and has turned its back on inclusion and modernity. Ireland is a youthful and progressive nation. It has a PM who is an openly gay youngish brown man (centre right). We have a PM who is an old, tedious, and tired white woman (formerly centre right, now Lord knows what - blown helplessly in the winds of Tory party infighting).

Well at least we now at least know the benchmark criteria for a nation to feel "youthful and progressive".

Ireland's a terrific country with many fabulous people and traditions. But there is much to offset a "gay youngish brown man" being PM (is there a reason you didn't mention his more PM-relevant skills rather than focus on his age/race/sexuality? Isn't he also of immigrant stock? Surprised you didn't add that to get the full house ) in the "youthful progressive" stakes.

[anonymous-user]

CaptainSlow said:

alfie2244 said:

Disgraceful, just as bad as Farage's poster.

Serious and genuine question: why? The image seems to me to be offering an anti extremist message. It is similar to the poster that reminds people that extremists always vote.

[anonymous-user]

Breadvan72 said:

May doing aspirational speechifying is all very noble, but look at what is actually taking up the time (sensibly enough) - it's not Erasmus or hockey. Qualifications is a bigger subject than cultural exchange, and affects stuff such as NHS worker supply, and so connects with free movement and so on, but in the university sector it may impact also on the research strength of British universities, currently ranked highly but under threat of falling down the rankings post EU.

https://ec.europa.eu/commission/sites/beta-political/files/joint_table_citizens_rights_-_third_round.pdf

Page 12 onwards covers qualifications, its high up on the agenda, not some nicety.

[anonymous-user]

I am off for a curry (screw all that Polish sausage, bring back the Raj!), but just spotted this old article which has some interesting analyses. NB: it comes at the analyses from a pro Remain stance, but there are perhaps some interesting things for thoughtful voters of either side.


https://libcom.org/news/making-sense-brexit-tide-r...

[anonymous-user]

sidicks said:

Breadvan72 said:

sidicks said:

You made the original claim.

What claim?

Sorry, i thought you were claiming that had a big impact on the outcome of the referendum, but maybe I was confusing you with someone else! Apologies.

Cheers - I think that it was someone else, but as I am drunk most of the time you never know.

[CaptainSlow]

Breadvan72 said:

Serious and genuine question: why? The image seems to me to be offering an anti extremist message. It is similar to the poster that reminds people that extremists always vote.

What did extremism have to do with the EU referendum? Why do you need to put a stereotype on a poster? Would a black stereotype been appropriate?

The message was pretty clear on this poster which isn't surprising when considering who commissioned it.

[CaptainSlow]

Breadvan72 said:

I am off for a curry (screw all that Polish sausage, bring back the Raj!), but just spotted this old article which has some interesting analyses. NB: it comes at the analyses from a pro Remain stance, but there are perhaps some interesting things for thoughtful voters of either side.


https://libcom.org/news/making-sense-brexit-tide-r...

Usual misinterpretation and misunderstanding of the vote rationale.

Interestingly, it does say that some racists would have voted Remain...how can that be?!?

[alfie2244]

Breadvan72 said:

Serious and genuine question: why? The image seems to me to be offering an anti extremist message. It is similar to the poster that reminds people that extremists always vote.

Just to say posters, on or off the side of a bus, can be interpreted in many ways depending on what flavour of glasses the viewer is wearing. But isn't it time things moved on from what was or wasn't said rather than keep going over ald ground time and time again?

[CaptainSlow]

Yup, let's move on.

How many global Corps have phoned Pickfords for their move to Paris this week?

[anonymous-user]

CaptainSlow said:

Yup, let's move on.

How many global Corps have phoned Pickfords for their move to Paris this week?

Frankfurt doesn't look so hot now.

[///ajd]

Hmmm. This chap is not too optimistic:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/brexit-...

I also noticed that DEFRA are withholding their internal assessment about how food pricing will change in the run up to and after brexit.

http://www.foodmanufacture.co.uk/Regulation/Food-p...

Do you think the predicted change is positive or negative? Yep, DExEU withholding predicted falls in food prices seems likely - can't have too much positive brexit news all at once......

Do you recall above that a poster above was actually hoping their monthly payments on their 10% tariff increased 318d would be offset by cheaper oranges. And several cheered the "well informed" post.

[CaptainSlow]

Maybe we'll have to use some of the £350m per week to pay off British farmers rather than French ones in the future.

[///ajd]

CaptainSlow said:

Maybe we'll have to use some of the £350m per week to pay off British farmers rather than French ones in the future.

The Thatcher rebate was a lot to do with precisely not doing that.

I'm sure you knew that.

But I agree, a big chuck of the brexit saving will end up with our farmers, just as the EU pay them now.

So staying the same.

So it won't make our food cheaper.

So what was your point again?

[Funkycoldribena]

///ajd said:

The Thatcher rebate was a lot to do with precisely not doing that.

I'm sure you knew that.

But I agree, a big chuck of the brexit saving will end up with our farmers, just as the EU pay them now.

So staying the same.

So it won't make our food cheaper.

So what was your point again?

Can you post anything positive just for once?
Go on try it.
You'll feel better for a little bit.

Edited by Funkycoldribena on Monday 25th September 22:39

[CaptainSlow]

The EU don't pay anyone anything, they redistribute funds from the German and UK taxpayers, as I'm sure you realise.

So it won't be the same, funds not bankrolling French farmers, Spanish Airports or Polish motorways can be spent at home. Outside the CU food prices will come down not up.

[barryrs]

All reports I have read suggest prices would rise if buying habits stay the same as circa 40% of fresh fruit and veg is sourced from the EU.

However taking tomatoes as an example; these are subject to a 14.4% tariff so I would expect sourcing to change very quickly.

Note, this is simply an example and I'm aware that tariff free tomatoes would impact U.K. Producers.

Edited by barryrs on Monday 25th September 22:20

[///ajd]

CaptainSlow said:

The EU don't pay anyone anything, they redistribute funds from the German and UK taxpayers, as I'm sure you realise.

So it won't be the same, funds not bankrolling French farmers, Spanish Airports or Polish motorways can be spent at home. Outside the CU food prices will come down not up.

So when DEFRA predict the opposite, what does that mean - are they remoaning EU shills out to sabotage Brexit? Bloody experts!