The economic consequences of Brexit (Vol 2)

The economic consequences of Brexit (Vol 2)

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Murph7355

37,646 posts

255 months

Tuesday 21st November 2017
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///ajd said:
It reminds me of the goose that laid the golden egg.

Brexiteers will happily kill the goose, absolutely cock sure there is a lump of gold inside (aka the banks won't move and there is no threat whatsoever to UK FS).

It does look like the penny will drop too late for the goose.
How much are you prepared to bet that London will remain the financial centre on this continent and that job movement/loss will be . minimal?

don'tbesilly

13,900 posts

162 months

Tuesday 21st November 2017
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Murph7355 said:
///ajd said:
It reminds me of the goose that laid the golden egg.

Brexiteers will happily kill the goose, absolutely cock sure there is a lump of gold inside (aka the banks won't move and there is no threat whatsoever to UK FS).

It does look like the penny will drop too late for the goose.
How much are you prepared to bet that London will remain the financial centre on this continent and that job movement/loss will be . minimal?
///ajd won't bet a penny, despite his rhetoric he knows that yet again he will be wrong.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/mi...

Rich_W

12,548 posts

211 months

Tuesday 21st November 2017
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Jockman said:
JagLover said:
It is far to late now to start making some noises in this direction. The Cameron "negotiations" swung it for ALLOT of centre-right voters. We were basically treated as a subject nation while trying to make changes to our own welfare system.
Normally I'd agree on this point.....until I heard some German MEPs suggest that the UK should be offered a new enhanced deal to stay in the EU. I'm not sure everyone has accepted brexit as a fait accompli.
And depending on how quickly Germany can form a government and they wield it's power in the EU properly, depends on whether that idea gets traction.

Personally, as Ive said before. I'm a Leave voter, but if the EU drastically reformed. I'd stay.

But, as before. NEVER gonna happen. laugh

Edited by Rich_W on Tuesday 21st November 22:20

blindswelledrat

25,257 posts

231 months

Wednesday 22nd November 2017
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don'tbesilly said:
Murph7355 said:
///ajd said:
It reminds me of the goose that laid the golden egg.

Brexiteers will happily kill the goose, absolutely cock sure there is a lump of gold inside (aka the banks won't move and there is no threat whatsoever to UK FS).

It does look like the penny will drop too late for the goose.
How much are you prepared to bet that London will remain the financial centre on this continent and that job movement/loss will be . minimal?
///ajd won't bet a penny, despite his rhetoric he knows that yet again he will be wrong.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/mi...
biglaugh If you assume he is the gospel on all things Brexit then you must be in total confusion over his statement in the same article:
Mr Bloomberg last month labelled Brexit the “single dumbest thing” a country has ever done – apart from electing of Donald Trump.

PurpleMoonlight

22,362 posts

156 months

Wednesday 22nd November 2017
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blindswelledrat said:
biglaugh If you assume he is the gospel on all things Brexit then you must be in total confusion over his statement in the same article:
Mr Bloomberg last month labelled Brexit the “single dumbest thing” a country has ever done – apart from electing of Donald Trump.
But at least they can get rid of Trump in 3 years odd.

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Murph7355

37,646 posts

255 months

Wednesday 22nd November 2017
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PurpleMoonlight said:
But at least they can get rid of Trump in 3 years odd.

biggrin
You can vote for a party to take you back into the EU if you like. Indeed you had that very option a few months ago to prevent exiting.

Oh, hang on a minute though....

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Digga

40,201 posts

282 months

Wednesday 22nd November 2017
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A more balanced take on Brexit here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nwK0jeJ8wxg

paul789

3,676 posts

103 months

Wednesday 22nd November 2017
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Digga said:
A more balanced take on Brexit here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nwK0jeJ8wxg
Interesting take. I'd much rather listen to him than that 'kin Wetherspoons CEO.

glazbagun

14,257 posts

196 months

Wednesday 22nd November 2017
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Digga said:
A more balanced take on Brexit here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nwK0jeJ8wxg
Yep, hard to disagree with lots of that.

paul789

3,676 posts

103 months

Wednesday 22nd November 2017
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glazbagun said:
Digga said:
A more balanced take on Brexit here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nwK0jeJ8wxg
Yep, hard to disagree with lots of that.
So what we are really looking at is huge disruption. That's ok - this is the implication of the will of the people. I think it may be bumpy though. Let's see!

Digga

40,201 posts

282 months

Wednesday 22nd November 2017
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paul789 said:
glazbagun said:
Digga said:
A more balanced take on Brexit here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nwK0jeJ8wxg
Yep, hard to disagree with lots of that.
So what we are really looking at is huge disruption. That's ok - this is the implication of the will of the people. I think it may be bumpy though. Let's see!
If you listen to what Blyth and the people he's talking to about the Euro and it's effect on struggling economies, a change that helps remove or remodel the Euro may not (in the longer term) be a bad thing for many, disruptive as it may be.

There are other issues too, ably discussed by Larry Elliot here: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jul...

We seem to have reached a point in society and politics where we want and expect to gain, consistently, without effort or struggle. We wan tit all, but can't always be bothered to make any sacrifices, no matter how short term, in order to achieve our goals.

paul789

3,676 posts

103 months

Wednesday 22nd November 2017
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Digga said:
paul789 said:
glazbagun said:
Digga said:
A more balanced take on Brexit here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nwK0jeJ8wxg
Yep, hard to disagree with lots of that.
So what we are really looking at is huge disruption. That's ok - this is the implication of the will of the people. I think it may be bumpy though. Let's see!
If you listen to what Blyth and the people he's talking to about the Euro and it's effect on struggling economies, a change that helps remove or remodel the Euro may not (in the longer term) be a bad thing for many, disruptive as it may be.

There are other issues too, ably discussed by Larry Elliot here: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jul...

We seem to have reached a point in society and politics where we want and expect to gain, consistently, without effort or struggle. We wan tit all, but can't always be bothered to make any sacrifices, no matter how short term, in order to achieve our goals.
I don't think disruption is necessarily a bad thing. I just don't think this is going to a mildly bumpy transition into a new political and economic model for the UK or the EU. I think this could result in significant upheaval, but let's see. It will not be boring.

Jockman

17,912 posts

159 months

Wednesday 22nd November 2017
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Digga said:
...We wan tit all.....
Didn't realise you spoke Glaswegian, Digga.

Digga

40,201 posts

282 months

Wednesday 22nd November 2017
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Jockman said:
Digga said:
...We wan tit all.....
Didn't realise you spoke Glaswegian, Digga.
How u say in Glaswegian? Away an bile yer heid. wink

Jockman

17,912 posts

159 months

Wednesday 22nd November 2017
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Digga said:
Jockman said:
Digga said:
...We wan tit all.....
Didn't realise you spoke Glaswegian, Digga.
How u say in Glaswegian? Away an bile yer heid. wink
laugh


anonymous-user

53 months

Wednesday 22nd November 2017
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'If' Brexit happens.. 50/50
I'll quit work that day & live off investments etc which are doing nicely thank you due to the Brexit effect (trashing the pound etc)
My small protest will be to stop paying a not insubstantial tax amount to Little England. Which would equate to the Daily Mail dreamt up benefits, paid to a few non-existent East European families who wouldn't be deported if they existed anyway!
Will be a taker from that day!
Every cloud has a rainbow etc.
That is my small contribution to the economic consequences of Brexit.

B'stard Child

28,320 posts

245 months

Wednesday 22nd November 2017
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Jimboka said:
'If' Brexit happens.. 50/50
I'll quit work that day & live off investments etc which are doing nicely thank you due to the Brexit effect (trashing the pound etc)
My small protest will be to stop paying a not insubstantial tax amount to Little England. Which would equate to the Daily Mail dreamt up benefits, paid to a few non-existent East European families who wouldn't be deported if they existed anyway!
Will be a taker from that day!
Every cloud has a rainbow etc.
That is my small contribution to the economic consequences of Brexit.
I thought you were emigrating to Ireland?

amusingduck

9,396 posts

135 months

Thursday 23rd November 2017
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Jimboka said:
'If' Brexit happens.. 50/50
I'll quit work that day & live off investments etc which are doing nicely thank you due to the Brexit effect (trashing the pound etc)
My small protest will be to stop paying a not insubstantial tax amount to Little England. Which would equate to the Daily Mail dreamt up benefits, paid to a few non-existent East European families who wouldn't be deported if they existed anyway!
Will be a taker from that day!
Every cloud has a rainbow etc.
That is my small contribution to the economic consequences of Brexit.

b2hbm

1,291 posts

221 months

Thursday 23rd November 2017
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ash73 said:
and

jsf said:
An interesting read. When did this surface, is it recent or has it just passed me by ? Was this released before the 2016 referendum, or is the release of the documents the reason we had a referendum in 2016 ?

I've only skimmed the pages but apart from the obvious predictions of the EEC forming it's own combined army, primacy of Commission over national governments, etc, it seems to contain pretty much everything we were told pre referendum that didn't apply because either "we have a veto" or "we have an opt-out". Yet those documents predict the necessity for majority voting as the only way the EEC (as then) could move forwards, which makes a veto rather useless.

I wonder what effect those documents, if leaked in full, would have made back on the eve of the referendum ?
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